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    was he really gonna be a top 10 pick next year?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Thunder&Lightning View Post
    was he really gonna be a top 10 pick next year?
    No, he wasnt going to be a top ten pick. Alot of people think he was a late first early second but I think he would have been a solid second. Not too many knocks on him however his speed is sub-par. Jack of all trades to me that does everything you look for but isnt great in everything.

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    • #3
      I thought he was pretty overrated. That game where he "shut Calvin Johnson down" Reggie Ball threw for a whopping 42 yards. Granted Oliver did make some good coverage plays though in that game. Overall I think he will be a solid player. He won't have to come in and start will be behind Jammer and Cromartie so he will pretty much just be a nickleback.

      As always, the draft is hit and miss. Players come out of nowhere and become 1st round picks so its tough to say. He is in a good situation though so time will tell.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Thunder&Lightning View Post
        was he really gonna be a top 10 pick next year?
        Yes, but only if he measured in a the reported 6'0 205 and ran the reported 4.3/4.4.
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        • #5
          No he isn't very good. He was the 4th round pick that he was. Probably would be a good nickleback, not that good of a CB.

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          • #6
            Have you ever even seen him play ea? For some reason I think you haven't.

            Oliver would have been at worst the #2 preseason senior CB and there is a legitimate argument for him being the #1. Him being a top 10 pick next year would have been dependent on his senior season but preseason there is an argument for it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
              Have you ever even seen him play ea? For some reason I think you haven't.

              Oliver would have been at worst the #2 preseason senior CB and there is a legitimate argument for him being the #1. Him being a top 10 pick next year would have been dependent on his senior season but preseason there is an argument for it.
              Oliver had a slow 40 time. And there was a reason why he was chosen in the 4th round and not the 1st round. One day he may be a good NFL player, but he was not a top 10 prospect in quality.

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              • #8
                Is that why Scott has him as the #7 senior? Oliver's 40 time and workout are irrelevant because if he was playing next year none of that would be known. Where you are picked in the supplemental doesn't reflect where you would have actually gone in the real draft. Would Oliver definitely been a top 10 pick, no clue, but if he wasn't in the supplemental he would be projected there.

                That is correct comahan
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
                  Is that why Scott has him as the #7 senior? Oliver's 40 time and workout are irrelevant because if he was playing next year none of that would be known. Where you are picked in the supplemental doesn't reflect where you would have actually gone in the real draft. Would Oliver definitely been a top 10 pick, no clue, but if he wasn't in the supplemental he would be projected there.
                  Oliver's workout totals would have sent his stock spiraling in the regular draft just like it did the supplemental draft. There has been plenty of players who went in the 1st round of the supplemental draft (surprisingly most were busts), so if Oliver was highly ranked, he would have gone in the 1st or 2nd round.

                  Workouts can make or break a player's draft status more than anything they did on the field in college.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eacantdraft View Post
                    Oliver had a slow 40 time. And there was a reason why he was chosen in the 4th round and not the 1st round. One day he may be a good NFL player, but he was not a top 10 prospect in quality.
                    His slow 40 time likely had a lot to do with a lack of time to train for it.

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                    • #11
                      I personally think we would have seen Oliver fall off a little. Georgia lost both of its disruptors on that defensive line in Moses and Johnson, something that played a huge part in the success of that secondary.

                      I thought Oliver played well last year, but I wasn't sure I saw fantastic lock-down skill. He most certainly would have gone within the first two round barring a terrible season, but I don't think he was the next big thing at cornerback either.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by eacantdraft View Post
                        No he isn't very good. He was the 4th round pick that he was. Probably would be a good nickleback, not that good of a CB.
                        If he's so slow, as you say he is in your next quote, nickelback is not a good position for him. You're nickel should be a quick guy if he's gonan be matched up on a speedy receiver usually...why would you want a slow guy there...he makes a better #2 corner.

                        Originally posted by eacantdraft View Post
                        Oliver had a slow 40 time. And there was a reason why he was chosen in the 4th round and not the 1st round. One day he may be a good NFL player, but he was not a top 10 prospect in quality.
                        Maybe he was chosen in the 4th because it was the supplemental draft. I don't know many teams who would be willing to throw out a first rounder for next year in a supplemental draft.


                        Originally posted by eacantdraft View Post
                        Oliver's workout totals would have sent his stock spiraling in the regular draft just like it did the supplemental draft. There has been plenty of players who went in the 1st round of the supplemental draft (surprisingly most were busts), so if Oliver was highly ranked, he would have gone in the 1st or 2nd round.

                        Workouts can make or break a player's draft status more than anything they did on the field in college.
                        Oliver also had less time to prepare, like all the other prospects did. But even so, assuming he's slow I doubt it drops him to day two. It could but who knows. At this point though, he's not a fourth rounder. I know a few players have gone in round two, but who are these players who have gone in round one? I could be wrong I haven't researched the Supplemental draft history, but I can't think of too many 1st round supplemental players.

                        Edit: After looking it up a little, I only see about 5-6 players taken in the first round, and a couple more taken in round two, and most of the first rounders are from a longer time back, like Kosar, Bosworth, Rob Moore, Steve Walsh, Bobby Humphrey, and Dave Wilson. None of those guys were drafted in the past ten years though, so clearly there has been a trend away from using first rounders in the supplemental draft. The whole "he would've been drafted in the first if he was that good" argument doesn't have much weight.
                        Last edited by JK17; 07-17-2007, 12:28 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
                          Is that why Scott has him as the #7 senior? Oliver's 40 time and workout are irrelevant because if he was playing next year none of that would be known. Where you are picked in the supplemental doesn't reflect where you would have actually gone in the real draft. Would Oliver definitely been a top 10 pick, no clue, but if he wasn't in the supplemental he would be projected there.
                          jon clayton on espn says that the supplemental draft translates roughly to one round lower from the draft in april...


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JK17 View Post
                            If he's so slow, as you say he is in your next quote, nickelback is not a good position for him. You're nickel should be a quick guy if he's gonan be matched up on a speedy receiver usually...why would you want a slow guy there...he makes a better #2 corner.



                            Maybe he was chosen in the 4th because it was the supplemental draft. I don't know many teams who would be willing to throw out a first rounder for next year in a supplemental draft.




                            Oliver also had less time to prepare, like all the other prospects did. But even so, assuming he's slow I doubt it drops him to day two. It could but who knows. At this point though, he's not a fourth rounder. I know a few players have gone in round two, but who are these players who have gone in round one? I could be wrong I haven't researched the Supplemental draft history, but I can't think of too many 1st round supplemental players.
                            You're pretty much right on, nobody is silly enough to submit a first round bid for a supplemental player... However Oliver's slow speed and low intelligence alone could easily drop him to day two, especially considering his position.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Average OT LB View Post
                              jon clayton on espn says that the supplemental draft translates roughly to one round lower from the draft in april...
                              That's definitely not an exact science, but Oliver is/was being talked about as a first rounder...So were some third rounders this year, at this point, last year, but I don't know if Oliver would have fallen that far. It's possible but the point remains the same, Your draft status in the supplemental draft has little correlation wtih your actual draft value.

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