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  • Is spending a 1st on a qb really worth it?

    It seems the general consensus this year is that there is no "elite" qb prospect. (mainly because scott says so) Is it even worth a 1st to get Brohm, Woodson, or Ryan?

    Current starting Qbs who were former 1st round picks:
    Vince Young
    Peyton manning
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Carson Palmer
    Steve Mcnair
    Rex Grosman
    Phillip Rivers
    Daunte Culpepper
    jay Cutler
    Alex Smith
    Matt Leinart
    Jason Campbell
    Chad Pennington
    JP Losman
    Eli
    Donovan McNabb

    Current Starting QBs rounds 2-UDFA:
    Tony Romo (UDFA)
    Trent Edwards (Rd. 3)
    John Beck (Rd. 2)
    Kellen Clemens (Rd. 2)
    Matt Hasselbeck (Rd. 6)
    Marc Bulger (Rd. 6)
    Brodie Croyle (Rd. 3)
    Jon Kitna (UDFA)
    Brett Favre (Rd. 2)
    Derek Anderson (Rd.6)
    Jake Delhomme (UDFA)
    Drew Brees (Rd. 2)
    Jeff Garcia (UDFA)
    David Garrard (Rd. 4)

    I think the second group has clearly out performed or at least shown they are on par with the first group. So why even spend a first round pick on a qb, wouldn't it be better to use that pick for another area of need and then pick up a qb to groom in the later rounds?

    ie. erik ainge
    chad henne
    booty
    brink
    brennan
    etc.
    Last edited by soybean; 11-20-2007, 12:22 AM.

  • #2
    Doesn't matter where you take them. It matters who you take and what kind of environment you surround them in.

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    • #3
      depends where you are in the draft.Woodson or Ryan are worth a first.
      "The liberator who destroys my property, is fighting to save my spirit. The teacher who clears all possessions from my path will set me free."-Tyler Durden

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      • #4
        The first group guys also play with more expected of them.

        Current starting Qbs who were former 1st round picks:
        Vince Young - Slow Start.. Playmaker none the less
        Peyton manning - One ofthe Best EVER
        Ben Roethlisberger - Great Team Leader. Starting to pick up the slack
        Carson Palmer - Great QB
        Steve Mcnair - Aging QB. Successful Career.
        Rex Grosman - Shows flashes but too inconsistent
        Phillip Rivers - Shows flashes but too inconsistent
        Daunte Culpepper - Injury Plagued. Had a pretty good career
        Jay Cutler - Hit a sophomore slump but is decent for a young QB
        Alex Smith - UGH.. Do I have to?
        Matt Leinart - Trouble learning new offense? I just dont know about this guy
        Jason Campbell - Solid Starter and Slowly Progressing
        Chad Pennington - Injury Plagued. When fully usable, could be really good.
        JP Losman - Workout Warrior. "Small School" Project. Struggling Career
        Eli Manning - Had both first round and manning hype. He just isnt Peyton
        Donovan McNabb - Successful Career. One of the best in the game.

        Current Starting QBs rounds 2-UDFA:
        Tony Romo (UDFA) - Good NFL Career so far.
        Trent Edwards (Rd. 3) - Could be good. Shows flashes.
        John Beck (Rd. 2) - A little old. System QB issues. Could be a good QB
        Kellen Clemens (Rd. 2) - Not that good
        Matt Hasselbeck (Rd. 6) - He's been great for the Seahawks
        Marc Bulger (Rd. 6) - His flaws are really showing this season, but still good
        Brodie Croyle (Rd. 3) - We'll see how he leads the Chiefs
        Jon Kitna (UDFA) - Solid Career in the NFL. Can really sling the ball around
        Brett Favre (Rd. 2) - Sure fire Hall of Fame. Tough guy. Great QB
        Derek Anderson (Rd.6) - Big Arm. Big year for him. I want to see consistency
        Jake Delhomme (UDFA) - Sometimes lacks consistency. Injury Plagued
        Drew Brees (Rd. 2) - Solid Starter
        Jeff Garcia (UDFA) - Solid Starter. Good NFL Career.
        David Garrard (Rd. 4) - Solid Starter.


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        • #5
          you could make this argument for any position. players picked in later rounds often do out perform 1st rounders. then why dont teams just trade their 1st for a bunch of 4th rounders? because the risk is lower in the first round. sure there are tons of busts each year but look at the first round of any draft and more times than not you will see a lot of quality players in it. more so than any other round? that depends on the draft. QB is arguably the most important position and if you have the chance to draft a guy with good production in college, good intangibles, and has a smart head, you would want him more than a guy that is more of a risk. if that argument made any sense to people, thats my point of view.
          http://old.irishsports.com/stories/s...9/19/quinn.jpg

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          • #6
            The fact is that only 32 players get picked in the first round every year while 223 get picked in the other six. That second group is pulling from a much higher stock of quarterbacks.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by soybean
              Current Starting QBs rounds 2-UDFA:
              Tony Romo (UDFA)
              Trent Edwards (Rd. 3)
              John Beck (Rd. 2)
              Kellen Clemens (Rd. 2)
              Matt Hasselbeck (Rd. 6)
              Marc Bulger (Rd. 6)
              Brodie Croyle (Rd. 3)
              Jon Kitna (UDFA)
              Brett Favre (Rd. 2)
              Derek Anderson (Rd.6)
              Jake Delhomme (UDFA)
              Drew Brees (Rd. 2)
              Jeff Garcia (UDFA)
              David Garrard (Rd. 4)
              You forgot that one guy taken in the 6th round from michigan who is kinda good. Eh whats his name?... oh ya Tom Brady!
              Last edited by Crazy_Chris; 11-20-2007, 03:40 AM.

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              • #8
                I can't remember the exact numbers (they were in ESPNs draft mag last year) but the % of QBs in the first round that work out is somewhere around 50%, and I think all the other rounds were in single digits.

                That is correct comahan
                I ******* LOVE YOU DG
                <3 dg

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                • #9
                  To me it all depends. Look at last year. I had always been saying that Trent Edwards was the best QB, techinically, and has the best motions and mechanics. And he was picked in the 3rd. Guys like Russel, Quinn and Kolb were taken ahead of him. Is that a knock on those guys? No, it isnt. Im just saying that you really need to grade your talent. And find out how good these guys can really be.

                  People who go in the 1st round are usually the "workout warriors" and the guys who don't seem like your smartest or truest football players, but are just freakish athletes.

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                  • #10
                    Ryan, Woodson, and Brohm can be good QBs if put on a team with a good O-Line and decent weapons. Chicago, Carolina, and Minnesota all need a QB and all those teams have offenses whose only missing pieces appear to be a signal caller. I think they'll do fine. Atlanta needs some O-Line and WR help first though.

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                    • #11
                      Two words
                      KYLE WRIGHT



                      Dallas Cowboys/Denver Broncos/Tennessee Volunteer Fan

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                      • #12
                        The key thing is that first round QBs get all of the publicity, so everyone knows when they fail. As for QBs in the second round and past that, we hardly hear much about them unless they succeed and when that happens they are heralded. Even though you named all of the first round QBs who were both successful and unsuccessful, you only mentioned the unsuccessful QBs.


                        Originally posted by Halsey
                        I don't have to watch it to know it was not interesting.

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                        • #13
                          Is it just me, or is this a stupid question?

                          BoneKrusher

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by volman88 View Post
                            Two words
                            KYLE WRIGHT
                            Are you kidding me? Wright can barely even keep his own job! He's not throwing 60%, he's thrown more INTs than TDs this year, and he strait up looks terrible. You couldn't pay me to draft this guy.

                            BoneKrusher

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by soybean View Post
                              It seems the general consensus this year is that there is no "elite" qb prospect. (mainly because scott says so) Is it even worth a 1st to get Brohm, Woodson, or Ryan?

                              Current starting Qbs who were former 1st round picks:
                              Vince Young
                              Peyton manning
                              Ben Roethlisberger
                              Carson Palmer
                              Steve Mcnair
                              Rex Grosman
                              Phillip Rivers
                              Daunte Culpepper
                              jay Cutler
                              Alex Smith
                              Matt Leinart
                              Jason Campbell
                              Chad Pennington
                              JP Losman
                              Eli
                              Donovan McNabb

                              Current Starting QBs rounds 2-UDFA:
                              Tony Romo (UDFA)
                              Trent Edwards (Rd. 3)
                              John Beck (Rd. 2)
                              Kellen Clemens (Rd. 2)
                              Matt Hasselbeck (Rd. 6)
                              Marc Bulger (Rd. 6)
                              Brodie Croyle (Rd. 3)
                              Jon Kitna (UDFA)
                              Brett Favre (Rd. 2)
                              Derek Anderson (Rd.6)
                              Jake Delhomme (UDFA)
                              Drew Brees (Rd. 2)
                              Jeff Garcia (UDFA)
                              David Garrard (Rd. 4)

                              I think the second group has clearly out performed or at least shown they are on par with the first group. So why even spend a first round pick on a qb, wouldn't it be better to use that pick for another area of need and then pick up a qb to groom in the later rounds?

                              ie. erik ainge
                              chad henne
                              booty
                              brink
                              brennan
                              etc.

                              There are far more QB's drafted in rounds 2-7 than in round 1. The odds are
                              about 50% that a round 1 QB makes it, the odds combined for the other rounds is probably around 5%. You figure out which route offers the best chance of success. People will point out a Brady in round 6 but a team could draft round 6 QB's for 25 years and not find one that is successful.
                              And proud of it!!!

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