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  • Am I the only one who thinks the Dolphins draft Matt Ryan first overall?

    New GM, new coach. They have no real loyalty to John Beck since they didn't draft him and Beck was pretty bad last year. Granted it was a tough situation and his supporting cast was bad but he is certainly a huge question mark. The Dolphins signed McCown but he is not a long term solution and unless the Dolphins finish in last place again next year this is the best shot the dolphins have at landing a franchise QB. Tebow (assuming he declares as a junior) is the only QB in the '09 draft class that I would give a better grade than Ryan and it is very possible he will be the first overall pick in '09. Passing on a QB of Ryan's caliber is a very risky move for the Dolphins and I think they will ultimately make the right decision and take him 1st overall. Does anybody else have any thoughts on this?

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    yep your the only one thinks the dolphins draft ryan first overall, except for the millions of people that dont know **** about the draft.

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    • #3
      I don't know actually. It would not a be a huge shocker to be honest. I personally believe they draft Jake Long, gut it out with McCown and go Chad Henne 2nd round but Ryan is def possibly. He is not the #1 value in this draft, but they could

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BaLLiN72 View Post
        yep your the only one thinks the dolphins draft ryan first overall, except for the millions of people that dont know **** about the draft.
        keep it constructive please. If you disagree, state your reason why in an intelligent manner.

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        • #5
          I could see Jake Long, Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston, Matt Ryan, or Chris Long going to the Miami Dolphins with the first pick in the National Football League draft. Basically it is an open book.
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          • #6
            It wouldn't be a huge shocker, but it's always a risk to draft a QB in the first round, even moreso with the first pick. Parcells is a defense-minded guy and there's a lot of elite defensive talent that won't be around in the second, which is why people are thinking he won't be going QB.

            I expect Ryan to get drafted by the Falcons - all their offseasons moves have been focused on fixing their major holes, except for the quarterback.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SKim172 View Post
              It wouldn't be a huge shocker, but it's always a risk to draft a QB in the first round, even moreso with the first pick. Parcells is a defense-minded guy and there's a lot of elite defensive talent that won't be around in the second, which is why people are thinking he won't be going QB.

              I expect Ryan to get drafted by the Falcons - all their offseasons moves have been focused on fixing their major holes, except for the quarterback.
              I thought the Falcons were busy making huge holes. Defensive tackle, middle linebacker, cornerback, offensive tackle, and quarterback all remain big holes. Runningback and safety are the only positions that have been addressed, and safety we might not be done with. We have plenty of needs, and a few of them have been developed or brought along by the front office. Alright, I am done with my rant against the Atlanta Falcons front office. Although it could turn out good in the long run, a few things I am still angry about.
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              • #8
                They've definitely showed interest in Ryan. I remember something on SI(?) about Parcells contacting Jagodzinski asking him for film of everyone of Ryan's passes. Also from what I've heard Ireland really wants Ryan. That said I'd be somewhat shocked to see the pick happen, but I'd be more shocked if it was Jake Long.

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                • #9
                  I'm not sure how Henne helps the Dolphins any more than Beck does. Just because he was brought in by this staff?

                  If the Fins pass on Ryan, I think they'd be better off biting the bullet with Lemon and/or Beck until they find the QB they want to move on - whether it be in the draft or free agency. For all the good information Scott has put together on the success rate of 2nd, 3rd, 4th round, etc QBs; it more than anything makes me believe an organization should not take a guy at this position just for the sake of doing it. If you don't have "The Guy" make do with stop gaps until you find him. Wonder if Parcells is open to talking The Statue out of retirement since he seems to have a knack for losing his job to good QBs?

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                  • #10
                    unless they hire matt millen anytime soon I would say your the only one dude

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                    • #11
                      What do you think the odds of Ryan getting a throw off in time are with the OL he will be working with?

                      This reminds me of Jamarcus Russell. He has a great arm that can get the ball downfield 70 plus yards, but how often will he have the time it takes in the pockett to throw the ball?

                      If your not going to upgrade your OL the best thing to do is get a moble QB that can run from the colapsing mess IMO lol.

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                      • #12
                        well if they want to fill a need then they could take Brohm in the start of the second round, which there isn't much of an upside difference. If they want to go BPA, then he not the best player.

                        So no, I don't think they take him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DawgBone View Post
                          What do you think the odds of Ryan getting a throw off in time are with the OL he will be working with?

                          This reminds me of Jamarcus Russell. He has a great arm that can get the ball downfield 70 plus yards, but how often will he have the time it takes in the pockett to throw the ball?

                          If your not going to upgrade your OL the best thing to do is get a moble QB that can run from the colapsing mess IMO lol.
                          that's not the point of power. the point of power is if you can put it 70 yards downfield you should be able to lower your angle of trajectory and put the biscuit in the out route basket faster than anyone else. which is why you don't see chad pennington throwing too many out routes (unless they're option routes that go out).

                          not really OT, but just an fyi before you open your mouth again.
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                          • #14
                            Yes, I think as of right now Matt Ryan may be the front-runner for the top pick. He's not getting that hype, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. Just so you know, these boards are incredibly low on Ryan, and for what reason?

                            John Beck didn't work out in his first year. Does this mean he should be gone completely? No, but he was Cam Cameron's guy. Parcells and Sparano came in and more or less cleaned house. Who's to say they won't replace Beck with Ryan, a potential franchise passer?

                            Jake Long isn't a player who will turn this franchise around, neither is Chris Long. Both would certainly help, but I don't see either having that star potential that a #1 Pick should have. Jake is not the prospect Joe Thomas was, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, or Robert Gallery was, it's still being questioned whether he can play LT in the NFL and how much upside he has. Chris Long fits as a 3-4 OLB in their system, but he's not the type of explosive playmaker Shawn Merriman is and doesn't have that much upside. He will be a very solid player, no doubt about that, but I think he lacks that star potential. I love Gholston, but part of me thinks he's a bit too raw for Parcells to gamble on that early.

                            So that leaves Matt Ryan, a potential franchise QB. Ryan has all the physical tools, the athleticism, the pocket presence, the experience, the toughness, the intangibles to be a very good QB. Further along in the way of mental development than any QB prospect of recent years and won't have a huge learning curve after playing against a high level of competion in college, in a Pro-style offense.

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                            • #15
                              No, you aren't the only one. A lot of people think that way as well.

                              Right now, my guess is that, if they keep the pick (and I think Parcells preference is clearly to deal down first), it's Ryan or Chris Long, with Jake Long and Vernon Gholston coming up on the outside.

                              If I remember correctly, early in January (or maybe it was late December), there were reports that suggested Parcells was a big fan of Matt Ryan, though I could be off base here.

                              The dynamics of the situation are quite interesting. I think they would talk up any player in the draft if Parcells felt it could help trade down. But there's a heavy sell on Chris Long that's been emanating over recent weeks from the media, and one has to wonder if Parcells has been the one pushing this forward. It very well could be that they love him, as he does fit, and that it's just things coalescing. But a heavy sell this early is odd. They've made a quiet sell on Ryan as well, with the tape requests and so forth.

                              I'm still not sold on Jake Long. Just don't see it. It's Parcells. I'm sure there's a case somewhere in Parcells history of taking an OL in the first (too lazy to check), but there just haven't been that many instances of it. I can see them targeting Sam Baker in the 2nd (and before I hear any incredulous comments, keep in mind that he did love Jacob Rogers, and Baker grades out better than Rogers, and is a similar style in some respects). As for Gholston, tempting. We'll see if Gholston can move p from the 4-8 area to demand that high a slot.

                              Taking Ryan won't be a popular move, but it does make some sense. If they take him, I think they sit him for a year as they build up the rest of the team. There will be those that argue that, to that extent, they should draft a Flacco in the 2nd. The thing is, there's a lot more work with a Flacco, and even a Henne or a Brohm than there is with a Ryan. That said, Chris Long (or Vernon Gholston) gives them the edge guy to build around, with Jason Taylor and Joey Porter not for long there, and Parcells needs a guy to build around defensively. Furthermore, Long's versatility gives them a lot of options to play with.

                              That said, if a deal comes along, expect the trigger to be pulled and they'll go looking later. If they deal down, then I could see Jake Long come into play. It's just hard to see who deals up at this moment.

                              If I had to take a guess as of now, I'd guess Ryan. putting percents on it, i'd say 45 Ryan, 35 Chris Long, 20 someone else/trade.

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