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  • Originally posted by Ozzy View Post
    I just disagree with that, how is Stafford not a gamer? The only difference is yes Georgia has a better team around Stafford but come on Georgia does not have that good of WR's to be honest with you. That running game sure does help though. I think both players can make any throw all over the football field, I just do not understand how anyone would not be insanely impressed with Stafford's arm. Tell me who has a better arm than he does in college football. And when I say throwing arm I mean how far one can throw it and how fast they can throw it.
    Well just because you have arm strength doesn't mean you're the best QB prospect. How far or how fast is irrelevant. How can you even prove that Stafford has the best arm in the first place? Plus, I think JaMarcus Russell has changed the way scouts think about judging arm strength alone when rating a prospect. Gosh, I tried to tell them... but noooo.. hahaha.

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    • The only problem I have with the Cutler/Stafford comparison is that i think its abvious that Stafford takes care of the ball better than Cutler, Cutler is a a straight gunslinger and takes more chances
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      • Originally posted by rockio42 View Post
        The only problem I have with the Cutler/Stafford comparison is that i think its abvious that Stafford takes care of the ball better than Cutler, Cutler is a a straight gunslinger and takes more chances
        Cutler does take more chances because he is more of a gun slinger. But Stafford's Interception numbers are way too high for someone who is NOT a gun slinger.

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        • This is insane honestly, all this Bradford love. The kid is good, manages them game and is accurate as can be. Over the past 8 NFL drafts here are a few QB's that remind me of him when I looked back.

          Colt Brennan
          Alex Brink
          John Beck
          Aaron Rodgers
          Kyle Orton
          Luke McCown
          Craig Krenzel
          Jeff Smoker
          Ken Dorsey
          Patrick Ramsey
          Chad Pennington
          Chris Redman
          Tim Rattay

          Some of these players are doing good, aka world beater Aaron Rodgers but he has only played two games. If you take him out, the rest are just all average at best and that is how I view Bradford. A QB with not the strongest arm in the world, played in a very productive college offense but in the NFL he does not have the ideal ball speed to complete the hard passes against tight defenses. Sure he can manage the game and maybe be great at it. But in terms of elite players I do not see him as one.

          You even take the class he is in as a SOPH. All this crap of him coming out as a freaking SOPH for the NFL draft and being a 1st round pick. Heck one could argue he is not even the best SOPH QB in the nation. You have Mallett who is a prototype NFL QB with a great arm, then you have a very promising athlete in Kapernick who has potential. Then there is Locker who physically is so far ahead of Bradford it is ridiculous. He is a promising prospect and now you also have Jevan Snead a player that plays with less talent but can make all the throws.

          I just question his arm and do not see what exactly makes him so much different than Jason White. Jason White in college I hated him because I thought his arm was just crap and he got all these yards by the talent around him. Now Bradford has a better arm than White but the talent is still there. So what again makes him different than White? Heck White was "supposedly" a better athlete than Bradford.

          So someone please explain to me this obsession with Bradford?

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          • Originally posted by Ozzy View Post

            So someone please explain to me this obsession with Bradford?
            He's living up to the expectations of the surrounding talent, which is impressive considering how much of it there is. That said, I haven't seen enough of Bradford to make an assessment one way or the other.

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            • Originally posted by Ozzy View Post
              This is insane honestly, all this Bradford love. The kid is good, manages them game and is accurate as can be. Over the past 8 NFL drafts here are a few QB's that remind me of him when I looked back.

              Colt Brennan
              Alex Brink
              John Beck
              Aaron Rodgers
              Kyle Orton
              Luke McCown
              Craig Krenzel
              Jeff Smoker
              Ken Dorsey
              Patrick Ramsey
              Chad Pennington
              Chris Redman
              Tim Rattay

              Some of these players are doing good, aka world beater Aaron Rodgers but he has only played two games. If you take him out, the rest are just all average at best and that is how I view Bradford. A QB with not the strongest arm in the world, played in a very productive college offense but in the NFL he does not have the ideal ball speed to complete the hard passes against tight defenses. Sure he can manage the game and maybe be great at it. But in terms of elite players I do not see him as one.

              You even take the class he is in as a SOPH. All this crap of him coming out as a freaking SOPH for the NFL draft and being a 1st round pick. Heck one could argue he is not even the best SOPH QB in the nation. You have Mallett who is a prototype NFL QB with a great arm, then you have a very promising athlete in Kapernick who has potential. Then there is Locker who physically is so far ahead of Bradford it is ridiculous. He is a promising prospect and now you also have Jevan Snead a player that plays with less talent but can make all the throws.

              I just question his arm and do not see what exactly makes him so much different than Jason White. Jason White in college I hated him because I thought his arm was just crap and he got all these yards by the talent around him. Now Bradford has a better arm than White but the talent is still there. So what again makes him different than White? Heck White was "supposedly" a better athlete than Bradford.

              So someone please explain to me this obsession with Bradford?
              Bradford isn't a game manager, take a look at his YPA he makes his share of big plays.

              Mallet was garbage last year and has shown nothing to even consider him being better than Bradford.

              Kapernick and Locker are ridiculously raw and aren't on Bradford's level as a passer. Not even close.

              Bradford's arm isn't great, but it's good enough, especially with how accurate he is, and he actually has produced unlike supposed great prospects like Matthew Stafford and Josh Freeman.

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              • I think you're knocking Bradford a bit too much for being an OU QB. No he doesn't have an amazing arm but he puts some good zip on the ball and can make the necessary throws. He throws a beautiful deep ball and is accurate all over the field. His stats are a bit inflated but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes mentally or throwing wise, and it's not like he is just dinking and dunking the ball all the time.

                Definitely agree Stafford will be the better pro at this point though. There were a few plays against SCar that just left you speechless.

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                • Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
                  I think you're knocking Bradford a bit too much for being an OU QB. No he doesn't have an amazing arm but he puts some good zip on the ball and can make the necessary throws. He throws a beautiful deep ball and is accurate all over the field. His stats are a bit inflated but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes mentally or throwing wise, and it's not like he is just dinking and dunking the ball all the time.

                  Definitely agree Stafford will be the better pro at this point though. There were a few plays against SCar that just left you speechless.
                  Like which ones?

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                  • The dropped TD in the corner, one pass on the sideline deepish (to Green I think), short pass (in or comeback) to Green. Probably the only guy in college that could make those throws and there aren't many guys in the pros who could either.

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                    • Definitely agree Stafford will be the better pro at this point though. There were a few plays against SCar that just left you speechless.
                      Thank you! My goodness, at least someone else sees that. As for which passes, maybe the one that went 80 some yards with a flick, or a few of his screen passes under intense pass rush. Or the one across his body across the field rolling in the opposite direction.

                      When he plays it seems like the entire field just opens up and you can do anything basically.


                      Bradford isn't a game manager, take a look at his YPA he makes his share of big plays.

                      Mallet was garbage last year and has shown nothing to even consider him being better than Bradford.

                      Kapernick and Locker are ridiculously raw and aren't on Bradford's level as a passer. Not even close.

                      Bradford's arm isn't great, but it's good enough, especially with how accurate he is, and he actually has produced unlike supposed great prospects like Matthew Stafford and Josh Freeman.
                      As for this production comment, production to me means absolutely nothing. It is all about his arm and what kind of throws he can make. Still, do not see how one says Stafford is not productive but whatever. As for Locker and Kapernick being raw, yes, but they are talented. Locker again is a much more promising physical prospect than Bradford. Bradford athletically is not much to write home about. As for Mallet being garbage, I totally disagree with that, he showed a lot last year and played well in my book.

                      I still say, what makes Bradford this amazing NFL QB prospect? What? Do not talk about his stats of completion percentage. The kid throws a really questionable deep ball. He is solid but this is flat out ridiculous to call this SOPH a potential 2009 NFL draft top pick. It seems to me some do not really realize what arm strength is, I remember back in the day once I was arguing with people about Brad Smith and how he had a weak arm. People swore he had a gun but yeah you all know how that turned out. Not saying Bradford cannot play QB, I am saying his arm is not where NEAR Stafford's and thus he will not come out as a SOPH and will not be a top 10 pick in the draft this year. Rarely will a QB with a so so arm be a top 10 draft pick.

                      I like Bradford but this over hype on him is almost making me think otherwise. And as for arm strength, since when does this not matter? Make the case of Jamarcus Russell, ok his career just started. How about people realize that oh does Brady have a rocket arm? Yes. Favre? Yes. Peyton Manning? Yes. Roethlisberger? Yes. Eli Manning? Yes.

                      These guys have talented throwing arms and it is almost proven that all are ridiculously successful in the NFL. Sure arm strength is not everything but in the NFL where it is all about how physically talented you are, it means a lot.

                      As for my comparisons, any arguments? How is Bradford not a lot like let us say John Beck, Kyle Orton, Luke McCown or Colt Brennan?

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                      • Originally posted by Ozzy View Post

                        As for this production comment, production to me means absolutely nothing.
                        This is where I stopped reading.

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                        • This is where I stopped reading.
                          Wrongly stated, how about....I believe that statistical success in college means very little in terms of quarterback evaluation because look at those who have put up great statistics in college....how did they turn out in the NFL?

                          Timmy Chang
                          BJ Symons
                          Kliff Kingsbury
                          Colt Brennan
                          Ty Detmer

                          Look at what type of passes the quarterback completes, not the box scores stats...


                          And sorry I do want to argue about this because I just do not see it, someone please convince me. The kid is good, I agree with that, but he is not All Pro future 1st pick in the NFL draft good.

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                          • Originally posted by Ozzy View Post
                            Wrongly stated, how about....I believe that statistical success in college means very little in terms of quarterback evaluation because look at those who have put up great statistics in college....how did they turn out in the NFL?

                            Timmy Chang
                            BJ Symons
                            Kliff Kingsbury
                            Colt Brennan
                            Ty Detmer

                            Look at what type of passes the quarterback completes, not the box scores stats...

                            That's better, but those are extreme examples, Bradford has more physical tools than all of those from what I have seen. I don't think his arm is as bad as your making it out to be.

                            Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers don't have great arms, but they are two of the better QB's in the league.
                            Last edited by yo123; 09-15-2008, 07:26 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
                              The dropped TD in the corner, one pass on the sideline deepish (to Green I think), short pass (in or comeback) to Green. Probably the only guy in college that could make those throws and there aren't many guys in the pros who could either.
                              I don't doubt it. I wish I could see those throws. I love amazing throws by QBs.

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                              • Originally posted by Ozzy View Post
                                Wrongly stated, how about....I believe that statistical success in college means very little in terms of quarterback evaluation because look at those who have put up great statistics in college....how did they turn out in the NFL?

                                Timmy Chang
                                BJ Symons
                                Kliff Kingsbury
                                Colt Brennan
                                Ty Detmer

                                Look at what type of passes the quarterback completes, not the box scores stats...


                                And sorry I do want to argue about this because I just do not see it, someone please convince me. The kid is good, I agree with that, but he is not All Pro future 1st pick in the NFL draft good.
                                What good is that logic? There are bad QBs with good stats and bad QBs with bad stats. However, the success rate of QBs with good stats is a hell of a lot higher than QBs with bad stats. You act as if it's the opposite. That QBs with bad stats have a better chance to succeed than QB with good stats. Phillip Rivers (and his side arm release) wouldn't have been drafted as high as he was if he didn't have good stats. Stats alone wasn't what made him, but stats most definitely have meaning.
                                Last edited by D-Unit; 09-15-2008, 07:33 PM.

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