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    Looking at the new D.J. Moore scouting report, I have been thinking about how I am ranking my corners in this draft, and can't seem to separate that second tier very well. What are your views? I am more looking for PREDICTIONS on draft day rather than "I think Vontae Davis sucks, and he is my #10 corner." We all know Davis is going in the first round. Let's take a look at what I have been doing:


    Tier 1:

    Malcolm Jenkins (Looks more and more like he is moving to safety though)

    Vontae Davis (maybe you don't think he will be a good pro, but you can't argue with him as a prospect).


    Here is where it gets tricky:


    Tier 2:

    D.J. Moore (Do his return skills put him as the third corner off the board? Still a lack of height and maybe his ball skills aren't quite as good as Alphonso Smith)

    Alphonso Smith (Same height as D.J, and so many positive about him, looked great at the Senior Bowl. Is he def. above Moore now?)

    Sean Smith (I know the board loves him, and his versatility does mean something. He is big, still fast, but isn't as polished as the others yet)

    Jairus Byrd (Scott has touted him, and I watched a bit of tape. Seems to have the full package, but not excellent at anything per say. Just a solid solid corner. Should he be higher?)

    Darius Butler (Has he moved up into the late 1st/early 2nd range? I like him, especially as a returner, but he just doesn't seem to stick to corners like he should, thus why I had him as Late 2nd/Early 3rd. Is the rise warranted?)

    Coye Francies (He has been inconsistent in the offseason, but a solid developmental guy who I think can still go late 2nd)



    So, what is your rankings of how you think the corners will fall on draft day?
    Those were mine, but I am still very uneasy about how I have it matched up. Perhaps I am still in the stone age a bit on how I have graded these guys and it has changed? Set me straight!


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    Round One
    Malcolm Jenkins
    Alphonso Smith
    Mike Mickens (sorry, but i'm sky-high on him)

    Round Two
    Jairus Byrd
    Vontae Davis
    DJ Moore
    Victor Harris (love that nose for the ball)
    Darius Butler

    Round Three
    Asher Allen
    Coye Francies
    Sean Smith

    Round Four
    Kevin Barnes
    Captain Munnerlyn
    Lardarius Webb
    Domonique Johnson
    Mark Parson

    Round Five
    Joe Burnett
    Keenan Lewis
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    My 09 Steeler Draft
    32 OT William Beatty/UConn
    64 CB Mike Mickens/Cincinnati
    96 WR Brandon Tate/North Carolina
    128 OT Alex Boone/Ohio State
    160 IB Frantz Joseph/FloridaAtlantic
    192 NT Roy Miller/Texas
    209 OG Ryan Durand/Syracuse
    224 WR Tiquan Underwood/Rutgers

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    • #3
      Here is my top ten, roughly (assuming Malcolm Jenkins plays CB, although I think he's better as a FS):

      1. Vontae Davis, Illinois (1)
      2. Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
      3. Sean Smith, Utah
      4. Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest
      5. Jairus Byrd, Oregon (2)
      6. Darius Butler, Connecticut
      7. Coye Francies, San Jose State
      8. D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt (3)
      9. Macho Harris, Virginia Tech
      10. Mike Mickens, Cincinnati

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      • #4
        Sounds good, but what are the separating factors? Why one over the other? They seem very bunched to me, I think it could go a number of different ways in Late 1st/All of round 2.


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        • #5
          1. Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
          2. Vontae Davis, Illinois
          3. Jairus Byrd, Oregon
          4. Darius Butler, Connecticut
          5. Sean Smith, Utah
          6. D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt
          7. Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest
          8. Macho Harris, Virginia Tech
          9. Mike Mickens, Cincinnati
          10. Asher Allen, Georgia

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          • #6
            1. Malcom Jenkins - he has everything thing you want in a corner except elite speed
            2. Vontae Davis - great athlete but very inconsistent
            3. Alphonso Smith - despite the height he dominated the regular season and Senior Bowl
            4. Darius Butler - has looked really good this offseason
            5. D.J. Moore - not near as fast as expected but he plays faster
            6. Sean Smith - being tall isn't an advantage for a corner so he may have to make a position change
            7. Coye Francies - wasn't quite the athlete as expected but he looked good at Senior Bowl
            8. Jairus Byrd - not expected to time well and is a bit of a tweener
            9. Keenan Lewis - had a great Senior Bowl week and looked a lot better than expected at combine
            10. Macho Harris - inconsistent at the Senior Bowl and did not have a good combine
            Last edited by AkiliSmith; 03-15-2009, 01:24 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JBond93 View Post
              Sounds good, but what are the separating factors? Why one over the other? They seem very bunched to me, I think it could go a number of different ways in Late 1st/All of round 2.
              LOL, i don't really have any scientific way of separating. When I do my rankings, I evaluate a player and then assign a round in which I think they deserve to go. I try to keep it unrelated to the rest of the class (e.g. Mickens' draft status isn't really connected to the depth of the CB corps).
              But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. ~Jude 1:20-21 (King James Version)

              My 09 Steeler Draft
              32 OT William Beatty/UConn
              64 CB Mike Mickens/Cincinnati
              96 WR Brandon Tate/North Carolina
              128 OT Alex Boone/Ohio State
              160 IB Frantz Joseph/FloridaAtlantic
              192 NT Roy Miller/Texas
              209 OG Ryan Durand/Syracuse
              224 WR Tiquan Underwood/Rutgers

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JBond93 View Post
                Sounds good, but what are the separating factors? Why one over the other? They seem very bunched to me, I think it could go a number of different ways in Late 1st/All of round 2.
                That's true. For my rankings, I chose Davis even though he didn't have quite the accolades (although he was named Big-Ten All Freshman Team 2006, and All-Big Ten First Team in 2007 and 2008) because he looked much better in positional drills at the Combine to me, much more fluid. He's also supposedly seemed alright in the character department during interviews, and he has by far more potential than Jenkins. Jenkins is more complete right now and is #2. I have Sean Smith #3 because he's 6'4", has great speed, and matches up well against almost anyone, plus can play some safety too. Alphonso Smith is the best ballhawk in this draft and is the #4 because of that. He'd be #3 if the size difference between him and Sean Smith wasn't so great (seven inches.) Byrd is stronger and more of a playmaker than Butler (zone coverage superiority), but Butler is better in man. I prefer zone. Butler also didn't make plays last year (as a UConn fan, I saw him a lot.) Coye Francies looked absolutely terrific in the Senior Bowl practices and is rising. Very physical and has good measurables. D.J. Moore is too short to be a #1 like the other ones can be, and Macho and Mickens are a little slow/stiff, although all three of the third round corners earned a spot in the top 10 because they all make plays with the ball in their hands and generally do a good job of getting their hands on passes.

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                • #9
                  This may be cheating a little, but heres how I had them in order in my recent mock draft along with whereabouts they went:

                  1.) Malcolm Jenkins, Top 10 (ok, he really went 11, so sue me.)
                  2.) Vontae Davis, Top 20
                  3.) Alphonso Smith, First round
                  4.) Sean Smith, First round
                  5.) DJ Moore, First round
                  6.) Darius Butler, Mid 2nd
                  7.) Jarius Byrd, Mid-late 2nd
                  8.) Coye Francis, Mid-late 2nd
                  9.) Sherrod Martin, Early 3rd
                  10.) Mike Mickens, Early 3rd
                  11.) Kevin Barnes, Mid 4th
                  12.) Keenan Lewis, Mid 4th
                  13.) Brandon Underwood, Late 4th
                  14.) DeAngelo Smith, Late 5th
                  15.) Bradley Fletcher, Mid 6th
                  16.) Dominique Johnson, Mid 6th
                  17.) Asher Allen, Mid 6th
                  18.) Bruce Johnson, Early 7th
                  19.) Captain Munnerlyn, Mid 7th
                  20.) Cary Harris, Late 7th

                  And then I had Mark Parson and Wopamo Osaisai as my top 2 undrafteds at the position.

                  edit: oh, and Macho Harris is in there somewhere. I missed him scanning over my draft....he's a late 3rd round pick.
                  Last edited by BeerBaron; 03-15-2009, 01:41 PM.

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                  • #10
                    1. Joe Burnett
                    2. Vontae Davis
                    3. Malcolm Jenkins
                    4. Darius Butler
                    6. Sean Smith
                    6. Mike Mickens
                    7. Alphonso Smith
                    8. Jairus Bryd
                    9. D.J. Moore
                    10. Macho Harris

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                    • #11
                      1. Vontae Davis, Illinois
                      2. Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
                      3. Sean Smith, Utah
                      4. Jairus Byrd, Oregon
                      5. Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest
                      6. Darius Butler, Connecticut
                      7. D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt
                      8. Coye Francies, San Jose State
                      9. Mike Mickens, Cincinatti
                      10. Sherrod Martin, Troy

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                      • #12
                        I see 4 DB's going in the first round, but I think scheme dictates who selects them.

                        First Rounders

                        1. Malcolm Jenkins - He is a Safety or Cover 2 corner, but should be pro-bowler at either position. (Top 14, will not make it past New Orleans as a Safety) -
                        2. Darius Butler - He is the best pure cover corner, but there is no elite cover corner in the draft. (Top 15-25)
                        3. Vontae Davis - Most physically gifted package, but has risk. Benched this year. Looks lost at times, does not always diagnose routes well. (Top 15-30)
                        4. Alphonso Smith - Most instinctive and best playmaker. Might not be a good fit in any system. Is he physical enough to play cover 2? Is he big/fast enough to play press coverage or off man? (25-32)

                        Second round Grades for me -

                        Sean Smith - Matches up very well against bigger WR's, very versatile. Hips are good, but not great. (32-40)
                        DJ Moore - Ultra quick playmaker in the SEC, Lacks size and bulk. (35-45)
                        Keenan Lewis - Best Press man corner in the draft (40-60)
                        Coye Francies - Great hips, quickness and physicality - Pure Cover 2 Corner.(50+)
                        Jairus Byrd - Smooth athlete with good hips... 17 INT in 3 years (50+)

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                        • #13
                          1. Malcolm Jenkins | Ohio State
                          2. DJ Moore | Vanderbilt*
                          3. Coye Francies | San Jose State
                          4. Alphonso Smith | Wake Forest
                          5. Vontae Davis | Illinois*
                          6. Victor Harris | Virginia Tech
                          7. Darius Butler | UCONN
                          8. Mark Parson | Ohio
                          9. Kevin Barnes | Maryland
                          10. Jarius Byrd | Oregon*
                          11. Mike Mickens | Cincinnati
                          12. DeAngelo Smith | Cincinnati
                          13. Domonique Johnson | Jackson State
                          14. Joe Burnett | Central Florida
                          15. Wopamo Osaisai | Stanford


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                          • #14
                            Tier 1

                            Malcolm Jenkins - very consistent, proven he can play at high level week in week out

                            Vontae Davis - Impressive physical skill set, nice size, a better cover guy than he gets credit

                            Darius Butler - He could be the best of the bunch, very athletic and very fluid in coverage though struggles against the run.

                            Tier 2

                            Jarius Byrd - Nice size, very productive over career, very instinctive, nice ball skills a really complete CB, good PR, can do it all

                            DJ Moore - Very good in coverage with great ball skills, aggressive, very good natural athlete, value as a PR, battle tested, willing tackler but size/build are questions, may struggle with big WR's

                            Alphonso Smith - Very good ball skills, will take chances, great instincts, competitor, can play the nickel, may stuggle with big physical NFL WR's, like not quite the player Flowers was a year a go and Flowers fell because of height + lack of elite speed.

                            Sean Smith - a freak athlete, high ceiling, question how fluid his hips and how quick his feet are, could be a dominant CB if he develops but also may not have a future in the NFL as a CB.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                              he has by far more potential than Jenkins.
                              This confuses me. Malcolm Jenkins certainly has the potential to be a Pro-Bowl Cornerback or Free Safety. Am I putting him in Hawaii right now? No. I am saying he certainly has that capability. Why people are so low on him here is beyond me. The guy ran an average time but has everything else you'd look for.

                              Jenkins is big, tough, naturally athletic, very quick, has excellent ball-skills, durable, has top instincts, a quick backpedal, is tremendous against the run, gets off blocks well, changes direction well, is a vocal leader, extremely experienced, is polished, a very focused young man, and most importantly, was perhaps the top Cornerback in college football the past two seasons.

                              If he plays Free Safety in the NFL it's not because he can't play Cornerback, it's because he also happens to be a hell of a FS prospect. His strengths happen to fit exactly what a top FS prospect should look like. He has all the tools to be a top Free Safety except for experience at the position. A much better prospect than former Ohio State S/CB Donte Whitner who was a Top 10 pick.

                              Jacksonville (8), Green Bay (9), Denver (12), New Orleans (14), and Houston (15) are all promising possibilities.

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