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  • Dirty Thirtys Positional Rankings 4.5

    Still making some adjustments and moving guys around. Updated spreadsheet includes tier levels and additional 4-3 ratings.

    If anyone wants this excel file let me know and I can send it. In the link preview some of the ranking numbers got screwed up but you can figure out about what they say from the rankings above and below them.

    *Updated as of 4/12

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...KUUMybVE&hl=en
    Last edited by DiG; 04-12-2010, 10:19 AM.

  • #2
    Linval Joseph is not a 3-4 nose tackle, also I think you have joique bell to low, just the things that come to mind quickest


    Saints 2014 draft wish list:
    - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
    - Corner or Wideout in the first
    - No reaching
    - No Kelvin Benjamin

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wicket View Post
      Linval Joseph is not a 3-4 nose tackle, also I think you have joique bell to low, just the things that come to mind quickest
      Why can't Linval play NT? He's definitely got the size and frame for it although it could be argued he doesnt always play to his size but he knows to to engulf double teams.

      From NFL.com:
      "Joseph is a big body who could line up at nose tackle in a 3-4 front or interior defender in a 4-3 scheme. He is somewhat one dimensional as a run defender. He flashes ability to anchor well when he keeps his pads down but can be very inconsistent in this area. He has strong arms and hands to control blockers but can be slow to shed to the pile. Joseph has the size to play as a nose tackle in a 3-4 or defensive tackle in an even front. Possesses very good natural strength and power to control the middle against the run."

      Bells a real tough guy to gauge. Ive always been very high on him on this board and I still really like him as a prospect but I dont think hes going to be drafted as high as I originally thought. Im pulling for him thats for sure.
      Last edited by DiG; 04-05-2010, 12:07 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dirty Thirty View Post
        Why can't Linval play NT? He's definitely got the size and frame for it although it could be argued he doesnt always play to his size but he knows to to engulf double teams.

        Bells a real tough guy to gauge. Ive always been very high on him on this board and I still really like him as a prospect but I dont think hes going to be drafted as high as I originally thought. Im pulling for him thats for sure.
        Linval is more of a pentrator than a space eater, if he'd be in a 3-4 D his most natural position would be the 5tech. His size is somewhat lying about the type of player he is. His best fit would be a 4-3 anyways.


        Saints 2014 draft wish list:
        - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
        - Corner or Wideout in the first
        - No reaching
        - No Kelvin Benjamin

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        • #5
          Just wondering why you have Elephant written by Carlos Dunlap's name?

          BoneKruser with the DOPE sig

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JFLO View Post
            Just wondering why you have Elephant written by Carlos Dunlap's name?
            because he would play the position that is called the 'elephant' in the defense that usc ran, meaning its the primary pass rushing linebacker that plays with his hands down in 4-3 downs. If im not mistaking cushing played that position for them before he went pro


            Saints 2014 draft wish list:
            - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
            - Corner or Wideout in the first
            - No reaching
            - No Kelvin Benjamin

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JFLO View Post
              Just wondering why you have Elephant written by Carlos Dunlap's name?
              cause i dont think he fits all 3-4 defenses.

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              • #8
                Oh, I see. Ohio State runs that with Nathan Williams sometimes...

                BoneKruser with the DOPE sig

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                • #9
                  I would've ranked Newhouse higher than Capers as an OT but I tend to like TCU players. Are you rating Jason Fox that low because of his injury? I think he is underrated. I would move him to the #7 spot.

                  For UTs I would have Atkins higher than Alualu, and I'm surprised Arthur Jones is completely absent. His knee is worrisome, but I'd at least put him at #9 above Al Woods and Mike Neal.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
                    I would've ranked Newhouse higher than Capers as an OT but I tend to like TCU players. Are you rating Jason Fox that low because of his injury? I think he is underrated. I would move him to the #7 spot.

                    For UTs I would have Atkins higher than Alualu, and I'm surprised Arthur Jones is completely absent. His knee is worrisome, but I'd at least put him at #9 above Al Woods and Mike Neal.
                    Sorry I have Arthur Jones in my 3-4 DE rankings but I forgot to slide him into the UT rankings as well. Good call.

                    I've never been high on Jason Fox, with or without his injury concerns, although they are absolutely a big knock now. I think that he is a huge liability as a pass blocker and has a long way to go in developing strength to play at the NFL level. I wouldnt touch him before the 4th round.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dirty Thirty View Post
                      Sorry I have Arthur Jones in my 3-4 DE rankings but I forgot to slide him into the UT rankings as well. Good call.

                      I've never been high on Jason Fox, with or without his injury concerns, although they are absolutely a big knock now. I think that he is a huge liability as a pass blocker and has a long way to go in developing strength to play at the NFL level. I wouldnt touch him before the 4th round.
                      Just looked it up and Fox pulled a hamstring pretty badly at his pro day. He was so durable in college, he looks like he's falling apart now. If he were healthier I think he'd warrant a late 2nd round look but teams are probably going to be wary of his health.

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                      • #12
                        I don't know if Everson Griffen and Carlos Dunlap really belong on the 3-4 OLB list. Also I'd probably put JPP ahead of Jerry Hughes. A lot of guys you listed as 3-4 ILBs don't really fit in a 3-4 either, notably Sean Lee, Weatherspoon, and Daryl Washington. Those guys are strictly 4-3 prospects IMO. I'd put Al Woods on the 3-4 DE list and remove Brian Price, he's a 3-technique. Other than that nice job overall!

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                        • #13
                          Dirty, could you add 4-3 rankings? will +rep and use, its nice

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                            I don't know if Everson Griffen and Carlos Dunlap really belong on the 3-4 OLB list. Also I'd probably put JPP ahead of Jerry Hughes. A lot of guys you listed as 3-4 ILBs don't really fit in a 3-4 either, notably Sean Lee, Weatherspoon, and Daryl Washington. Those guys are strictly 4-3 prospects IMO. I'd put Al Woods on the 3-4 DE list and remove Brian Price, he's a 3-technique. Other than that nice job overall!
                            i disagree with you on a few points. i thikn griffen absolutely has the ability to play OLB in a 3-4 and I dont understand why you would think differently. he may not have the experience standing up but he seems from all aspects to have enough athleticism and the right size to translate. with dunlap, ive already said i only think he fits in a 3-4 in certain schemes as an elephant role.

                            similar for guys like lee, weatherspoon, and washington. its scheme driven. they definitely dont fit any 3-4 defense like other guys but in certain 3-4 schemes theres no reason they couldnt play inside.

                            im honestly not sold on price either in the 3-4 and ill do some more research on al woods.

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                            • #15
                              Eric Decker isn't number 1, therefore it sucks.

                              Bonekrusher.

                              Originally posted by JordanTaber
                              Football...it's rocket surgery now, folks.

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