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    Not my best, I think, and there are some things that strike me as off. But I wanted to put up my current trade 1-round (not putting up the rest, as it's a jumble). A few veteran trades as well. Honestly feel like I'll make some changes soon, but felt like getting something up as it's been awhile.
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    Mocked Veteran Trades (a couple others in mind, but just these for now):

    1. Denver Broncos get DT Kris Jenkins
    Carolina Panthers get the 70th overall

    The other rumored teams are St. Louis and Kansas City. The thing is, Denver has Washington’s 3rd, and can trump those two, unless those two cough up a 2nd. And I think that Panthers would want immediate assets. There obviously are other potential iterations (swapping a 2nd for a 1st), but sometimes the simplest method is the best method. For the Broncos, Bates wants big DT’s to suck up the run and command double teams, allowing for his edge guys to attack. This is better than positioning for a DT in this DT thin draft. The Panthers DT rotation is still fine (could look for depth later I guess),

    2. Buffalo Bills get RB Michael Turner
    San Diego Chargers get the 43rd overall and Buffalo’s 2008 1st
    rounder

    I think Buffalo really wants to keep their 1st round pick, with the intent of trying to get a linebacker at 12. I think San Diego won’t do this deal unless they get good enough assets to try and help them move up. I’m just not sold that, in the end, the Titans would fork over first round swap after spending a 2nd on Lendale. You bring in someone to compete with him, but spending a first round pick essentially on Turner is a lot. And yes, I think the Burner will get first round value, or close enough.

    3. Tennessee Titans get WR Mike Williams
    Detroit Lions get the 152nd overall pick

    Will Millen really let Williams go in a cut? Or will he try to get something for him? There is interest out there, but at what level, considering the big impact it would have on this year’s payroll. I don’t know the Lions situation and was too lazy to look it up. That could play a huge role. Norm Chow knows Mike Williams. Mike is a “type” they lack, big, physical possession receiver. It might cost a late 4th to get Detroit to take the hit, but I’ll work with a 5th for now.
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    One-round trade mock (still working on the following rounds). Some comments. A bit messy and not too pleased with it. Yeah, let me hear it about too many deals.

    1. Oakland Raiders

    Will they get a trade? It is possible, but as of now, I’m still not sold who. The dynamics of it make it unlikely that any team out of the top 5 or so could make a push up. As such, I’m making a pick here. I agree that the “momentum” is making this a toss-up, as I’ve noted the last couple of times, but the nod is still towards Jamarcus Russell. Maybe I’m just being bullheaded. I do have another one-round trade mock done with Calvin Johnson going 1 (and it’s a mock Lions fans would probably hate). There is a need for a franchise QB, and as noted, I find Russell to be one of two true elites in the draft.

    Oakland Raiders pick: QB Jamarcus Russell, LSU

    2. Detroit Lions

    They are praying for Calvin Johnson to be around, because that’s the only way I think that they get a lot of trade interest. With CJ around, I think they look deal. If they stay put, the nod here goes to Gaines Adams over Calvin Johnson. What teams might deal? There’s Tampa Bay, Minnesota, and Atlanta that come to mind for Calvin Johnson, and maybe Arizona for Joe Thomas. There’s probably a team or 2 that might consider a move up for Quinn, but I’m not sold on it happening personally. I cross Minnesota off because, while teams will trade within division, do the Lions really want to be known for giving their division rivals Calvin Johnson? While Buccaneers fans won’t like it, the nod here goes to Tampa Bay making a move up to secure Calvin Johnson.

    Proposed Trade:

    Detroit Lions get the 4th overall and 35th overall
    Tampa Bay gets the 2nd

    Yes, value is low, but I think the Lions would consider the move (if it requires a balanced value, it might cost the Buccaneers a 2nd rounder in 2008, as I can’t see the Buccaneers giving up any other day 1 pick this year). Tampa Bay does need Calvin. There’s a lot of work to do on defense, but they do need another guy to help stretch the field, providing a better target, while also potentially increasing space for the run game.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers pick: WR Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech

    3. Cleveland Browns

    What do they do here? There’s been a lot of bantering on who they go after, mostly focusing on offensive personnel due to the board. Thus, it’s Adrian Peterson, Brady Quinn, and Joe Thomas. Do they move for the franchise QB option? Do they draft a young runner to work in a 2-back system? Do they go franchise tackle? All tempting options. Might they trade? Well, if they trade, it becomes a matter of who? Miami likely doesn’t have the chips/desire to move up for Quinn here. Minnesota might have interest in Quinn, but I view that more as hoping he slides to their spot rather than a bold move up type scenario. Would Thomas or Adams draw any interest? Will a team really deal up to 3 for Adams? I can’t see it. The best option is Arizona moving up for Thomas … but there’s some rumblings that they might prefer Levi Brown. Thus, they make a pick here, and the nod goes to … Adrian Peterson. While I don’t like this, they do need a young runner. Adrian needs Cleveland to pick him … otherwise he risks taking a slight tumble. Quinn was a very, very close 2nd.

    Cleveland Browns pick: RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma

    4. Detroit Lions f/ Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    I think the Lions would definitely look to move down again. But the issue is, who? Quinn/Thomas/Adams seem to be the most tempting options out there, but who moves up? Maybe Arizona for Thomas, and that’s probably the best bet, but I don’t buy it. Arizona might take Thomas if he’s there, but moving up for him? Not sold. I just don’t see a deal that really strikes me as … hey, that’s a move that will happen. As such, Detroit picks here, and they take DE Gaines Adams. They can look QB later, and I buy that Martz is cocky enough to turn to Dan Orlovsky if Kitna gets hurt. They’ll add a QB later. The darkhorse pick here would be reaching for Patrick Willis, who they are rumored to love.

    Detroit Lions pick: DE Gaines Adams, Clemson

    5. Arizona Cardinals

    This one was actually difficult. Why? Largely because there seems to be some rumors that they much prefer Levi Brown. I had a mock trade worked out (Miami bolting up for Brady Quinn). In the end, though, I decided that, even if those rumors are true, passing up Joe Thomas here and moving themselves into a riskier position might not be worth it.

    Arizona Cardinals pick: OT Joe Thomas, Wisconsin

    6. Washington Redskins

    The shock would be if the Redskins keep the pick, something few expect. If they do, I’d hope for DL, but I’m quite worried, as a Redskins follower, that they make a dumb move for a WR. If a trade comes along, though, that would take away things. So who? Bears and Briggs is still possible. Samuel and the Pats are an option. The nod, though, goes to …

    Proposed Trade:

    San Diego gets the 6th overall
    Washington gets the 30th overall, the 43rd overall (Buffalo), and a 1st round pick in 2008 (unsure which pick to give Washington, Buffalo’s or San Diego’s)

    I think the Chargers are going for broke this year. I know, some fans want to slide a big corner to safety. The problem is, Drayton Florence’s contract, I think, ends soon (after next year?). The Chargers are also a team with few immediate needs. Moving up for the draft’s best safety is something they might consider, as they can find a WR with their 2nd rounder. They’re hoping for a great season, so I’m not sure the 1st rounder in 2008 is something they are too worried about, although I’m not sure which pick to give the Skins here (Buffalo or San Diego’s). Washington would likely take a deal down if they could pick up another day 1 pick along the way. Would the Falcons make a move? I just get the feeling Atlanta would prefer to keep their picks. I have a feeling that the Redskins will likely make a pre-draft move, so this could be a pre-draft occurrence.

    San Diego Chargers pick: S Laron Landry, LSU

    7. Minnesota Vikings

    Where does Minnesota go here? Landry is off the board, and they have safety depth anyways. LB isn’t needed. CB? It’s a thought. DL? Anderson’s a bit raw, and Carriker isn’t really an outside fit, and DT isn’t a 7th overall type need. OL? Unlikely. WR? Biggest need, but it’s a reach on players right now. RB? Value’s off here. QB? I don’t like any of the options, so I look towards a deal. Who might want to jump Atlanta? Could Miami make a move for Quinn here? I just don’t see a trade I like, and while I don’t like the move, I think they sit pat and take Brady Quinn. One thing I’ll say is that, if Quinn falls past 3, Houston made a mistake, and it has nothing to do with Schaub. They’ll talk about how they loved Schaub and so forth, but the strong indications were that they believed in Quinn as well.

    Minnesota Vikings pick: QB Brady Quinn, Notre Dame

    8. Atlanta Falcons f/ Houston Texans

    I contemplated moving them up, but I think Tampa Bay would beat them out for a trade with Detroit unless Atlanta overwhelmed, and I don’t see that. I think they’d be perfectly happy standing pat here. So where do they go? Safety’s off … so it’s probably the trenches. DE, DT, OL could all be addressed. I know Steve Wyche of the AJC is saying that Okoye is behind Landry, Peterson, Brown, Anderson, and Nelson … but I’ll be thickheaded and go with Okoye here.

    Atlanta Falcons pick: DT Amobi Okoye, Louisville

    9. Miami Dolphins

    This is really no man’s land for them. It’s just a poor spot. Do they go DL, with Branch/Carriker? What about WR (Ginn Jr./Bowe/Meachem)? TE (Olsen)? CB or safety? There’s been some grumblings that the strong anti-Levi Brown talk was a ruse. To an extent, it makes sense. OT is certainly a need, and Brown could potentially fit real well within their likely OL scheme usage. I think they would prefer to deal down, but I don’t see anything that I’m too excited about to make such a move.

    Miami Dolphins pick: OT Levi Brown, Penn State

    10. Houston Texans

    The Texans want to deal down. Can they find a move? My guess is yes. Who? Buffalo comes to mind. Am I getting too aggressive with the Bills (Michael Turner)? What about St. Louis? I don’t look for anything too far below that, and I don’t see Carolina or Pittsburgh sliding up into this spot. I’ll go St. Louis here, largely because I don’t see Buffalo getting too trigger happy, whereas, I could see St. Louis target someone they like and move up for them. So the next question is who? WR/DL/CB come to mind for the Rams. Too much is unknown about their DT rotation, and I think they move up for Adam Carriker. Could be Buffalo moving up for a linebacker, though.

    Proposed Trade:

    St. Louis Rams get the 10th overall
    Houston Texans get the 13th and 83rd overall

    St. Louis Rams pick: DL Adam Carriker, Nebraska

    11. San Francisco 49ers

    While they may want Carriker, I don’t think they’ll go all out to land him, knowing that there are good options available at 11 for them. So who? Alan Branch is a thought. Patrick Willis is an option. Just not that sold on the Branch fit, and I think they go with someone they know in Patrick Willis. With so many picks, they can be aggressive later targeting talent.

    San Francisco 49ers pick: LB Patrick Willis, Mississippi

    12. Buffalo Bills

    Are they crying over not getting Patrick Willis? I think they are perfectly fine plucking Jon Beason here.

    Buffalo Bills pick: LB Jon Beason, the U

    13. Houston Texans f/ St. Louis Rams

    They got another pick, and while they may look trade, I think they make a selection here. The nod is to Ted Ginn Jr. as another offensive weapon, as they try to give Matt Schaub every chance possible of succeeding.

    Houston Texans pick: WR Ted Ginn Jr., the Ohio State

    14. Carolina Panthers

    While they might’ve preferred grabbing a linebacker, the value’s probably off now. If Beason is here, I think they’d make the move. Fox has previously coached a 6’0” 235 pound-ish linebacker from the U before (Armstead for those that forgot). But what now? They’ve dealt Jenkins away, adding an extra pick. DE is a thought, as Anderson is intriguing at this spot. S is a definite area of concern. WR and TE are also areas to think about, and OL is a super, super darkhorse. I don’t see a trade option that seems to stand out to me (there are some possibilities). The nod here goes to Jamaal Anderson. Much as DE isn’t really a standout need, a raw talent like Jamaal may be too tempting to pass up here as they start grooming someone for the post-Rucker era. Safety and Nelson was a strong thought, but in the end, Anderson’s probably too good to pass up here.

    Carolina Panthers pick: DE Jamaal Anderson, Arkansas

    15. Pittsburgh Steelers

    They’ve got a lot of directions they could go here. CB is a thought, LB is a thought. If they like Branch, he’s a possibility as well. Offensively, a WR makes sense, and OL could be a consideration. What’s the call? I think the find a deal. Who? Tennessee and Jacksonville come to mind. Jacksonville would probably be jumping Green Bay to ensure getting their safety of preference.

    Proposed Trade:

    Pittsburgh gets the 19th and 80th overall
    Tennessee gets the 15th overall

    So why Tennessee? Alan Branch is falling. Their defense really could use a potential impact DT. They potentially got a WR option in Mike Williams earlier. They still have a 2nd to target a corner, and a couple 4ths to address other needs.

    Tennessee Titans pick: DT Alan Branch, Michigan

    16. Green Bay Packers

    I know, all the rumors are pointing away from RB here. It’s certainly possible … but I don’t buy it. Maybe a bit of bullheadedness, but there were rumors that people were starting rumors to drive down Lynch. Could it be Green Bay got worried? This could all change real quickly.

    Green Bay Packers pick: RB Marshawn Lynch, California

    17. Jacksonville Jaguars

    I contemplated moving them up for a safety, but I passed. Instead, they stay put and get their pick. The nod goes to …

    Jacksonville Jaguars pick: S Brandon Meriweather, the U

    I think they’d be fine with Nelson as well, who I personally prefer by a tiny margin.

    18. Cincinnati Bengals

    With all three top corners still available, they have their choice. They could even deal down. I think they make their pick here, though, and the nod goes to

    Cincinnati Bengals pick: S Reggie Nelson, Florida

    This gives them the option of sliding Madieu Williams to CB if they so desire.

    19. Pittsburgh Steelers f/ Tennessee Titans

    They slide down and have a variety of options. CB or LB are thoughts. I want to go Timmons here, but I just feel that there’s a chance Timmons is a bluff. As such, I go CB and the local kid, Darrelle Revis

    Pittsburgh Steelers pick: CB Darrelle Revis, Pittsburgh

    20. New York Giants

    I would personally go with Joe Staley, someone ready to step in immediately and start, and probably be an upgrade over what they have. I don’t see that happening, though. With two of the top corners still on board, I think they look to shore up that area, and they opt for Chris Houston over Leon Hall.

    New York Giants pick: CB Chris Houston, Arkansas

    21. Denver Broncos

    After adding Kris Jenkins, they have a lot of options. I see a trade in store, with the New York Jets jumping up.

    Proposed Trade:

    Denver gets the 25th and 59th
    New York Jets get the 21st and 70th

    New York Jets pick: CB Leon Hall, Michigan

    Jets move up to try and shore up their secondary.

    22. Dallas Cowboys

    Where do they go? WR is a thought. Edge is a thought. The nod, though, goes to long corner Aaron Ross, the type Wade Phillips might like. They could use corner depth, and Ross could provide return help now.

    Dallas Cowboys pick: CB Aaron Ross, Texas

    23. Kansas City Chiefs

    I want to go away from OL … but I can’t. They have a lot of options, but few seem like long term bets. Staley offers someone that could start inside and then shift out.

    Kansas City Chiefs pick: OL Joe Staley, Central Michigan

    24. New England Patriots

    For some reason, I decided against the Pats moving up for CB. I thought about moving them (swapping with Cincinnati) to pick up a safety, but I went against that as well. So what now? There are some linebacking options (Moss/Spencer on the edge, Timmons in a versatile role, and Posluszny perhaps inside). I wouldn’t rule out WR. There are some DB’s still available, but the value seems off. I actually look trade.

    Proposed Trade:

    San Francisco gets the 24th overall
    New England gets the 42nd, 76th, and a 124th

    San Francisco bolts up to get a WR, namely, one Dwayne Bowe, someone they know quite well.

    San Francisco 49ers pick: WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU

    25. Denver Broncos f/ New York Jets

    After working out a trade down, they pick up the guy I probably would’ve given them at 21. That’s called a good deal, and they nab their edge guy for Bates to play with.

    Denver Broncos pick: DE Jarvis Moss, Florida

    26. Philadelphia Eagles

    Well … I can anticipate some hate coming from Eagles fans on this one. I can just smell it.

    Philadelphia Eagles pick: TE Greg Olsen, the U

    Last I checked, LJ Smith as not extended yet. Griffin is intriguing, but I think Olsen might be too tempting.

    27. New Orleans Saints

    I thought about various trade up opportunities for them. I didn’t like any of them that much. Do they pull the trigger here? I think they do, although a couple trade down thoughts passed the mind. What’s the nod? Corner’s probably the biggest need, but that’s a bit spotty here. LB is a thought, as is DT. WR is a possibility. Where do I go? As tempting as Posluszny is, I pass. There’s enough WR’s to deal with later. The nod still goes with Justin Harrell, who is bound to get some boo’s if I remember the comments from my last mock. But they need to shore up the run game, and Harrell could be an impact DT in that regards.

    New Orleans Saints pick: DT Justin Harrell, Tennessee

    28. New England Patriots

    So they dealt out earlier. What now? Safety may come into play here. That said, I’m looking largely at LB and WR. The nod here may be a slight surprise, but it goes to David Harris as an ILB for them to groom. Close 2nd was Robert Meachem.

    New England Patriots pick: ILB David Harris, Michigan

    29. Baltimore Ravens

    A lot of options available to them at this point. A versatile talent with upside like Lawrence Timmons may be too good to pass up here, though.

    Baltimore Ravens pick: LB Lawrence Timmons, Florida State

    30. Washington Redskins f/ San Diego Chargers

    In that big deal down earlier, Washington picked up some extra assets. OG/DL/DB are all considerations. I hate to say it, but WR can’t be ruled out either. Where do they go? People forget how expertly they worked the draft a few years ago … and I wonder if that could happen again.

    Proposed Trade:

    Detroit Lions get the 30th and 143rd overall
    Washington Redskins get the 34th overall and 101st overall

    I just wonder, if Posluszny is sitting here, if he might be too tempting. There’s certainly issues, but he might fit the personality and style Marinelli and Millen might now be searching for. Of course, it’d depend on if they buy Paul as a MIKE in the cover 2, which I think he can be solid, although I’m not sure if he can be great. They may get worried about Chicago and Indianapolis looking at Paul.

    Detroit Lions pick: LB Paul Poslusnzy, Penn State

    31. Chicago Bears

    If Lance Briggs gets moved, that changes everything. As of now, I’m going with the stalemate assumption, and Briggs coming back for one final season and the Bears agreeing to not franchise him next year. So what then? With Brown back, I find it unlikely they go OL here. Maybe at 37. WR is a thought. DT has to be a thought, with rumors of a Tank Johnson suspension. LB depth has to be looked at as well. DB is also another area. So what do they do? It’s quite painful for me to even type this, but

    Chicago Bears pick: WR Dwayne Jarrett, Southern California

    32. Indianapolis Colts

    A DT would’ve been nice, but Harrell’s off, and no one else really warrants it, as McDonald isn’t the type they need if you consider Ray a DT. Actually, I’m going trade

    Proposed Trade:

    Indianapolis gets the 40th and 108th overall
    Miami gets the 32nd

    Wasn’t thinking about the Dolphins moving up, but Meachem’s taken a fall, and he gets snapped up here. I think Indy would prefer getting into better positioning for their needs.

    Miami Dolphins pick: WR Robert Meachem, Tennessee
    Last edited by toonsterwu; 04-12-2007, 10:26 PM.

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    Bears pick = mucho love. Great mock man, very well explained

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    who retires first: brett favre or aaron rodgers?

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    • #3
      That Bills trade for Turner is laughable.
      Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.

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      • #4
        very very intruiging read...

        I do think you've made a small mistake in the Detroit-Tampa trade.

        Detroit Lions get the 4th overall
        Tampa Bay gets the 2nd and 35th overall
        I mean... I know we won't get perfect value... but the bucs screw us over if it goes down this way :o

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        • #5
          Not sure about Harris. I don't have him rated that highly, not sure if he can ever play all three downs and someone who can't go out there in every situation probably isn't worth a first round pick in my mind. I have Harris as a mid second-round value, if the Patriots were going to take him I believe they would probably use the #42 which you had they grab from San Francisco on him. There is a chance he will be taken before then, but I don't think that he is so valuable that they just have to have him.

          Also, I don't see Robert Meachem at all, unless the Patriots only signed Donte' Stallworth and Kelley Washington to those contracts with "out" clauses after the first year so that they could try to draft and groom their eventual replacements (actually, that sounds briliant, but I don't think it's the case.) Could very well be, though. Perhaps Stallworth and Washington get outed after the first year and Reche Caldwell's deal runs out, giving the Patriots a 1-2-3 of Jackson, Meachem, and Welker for the future?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Geo View Post
            That Bills trade for Turner is laughable.
            I think Turner's going to get much higher value than anyone anticipates. That equates to a mid-low first, and I don't think that's that far out of the reach.

            Put it this way, I don't think AJ Smith makes the deal unless he gets enough assets to move up. Otherwise, I think he holds onto Turner. And in the end, I think a team bites, although I'm not sure.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Addict View Post
              very very intruiging read...

              I do think you've made a small mistake in the Detroit-Tampa trade.



              I mean... I know we won't get perfect value... but the bucs screw us over if it goes down this way :o
              No not really. I noted the lack of value in the comments, I'm fairly certain. Remember, the trade value chart is simply a guide. That said, it could take a 2008 2nd to make that happen, as noted.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                Not sure about Harris. I don't have him rated that highly, not sure if he can ever play all three downs and someone who can't go out there in every situation probably isn't worth a first round pick in my mind. I have Harris as a mid second-round value, if the Patriots were going to take him I believe they would probably use the #42 which you had they grab from San Francisco on him. There is a chance he will be taken before then, but I don't think that he is so valuable that they just have to have him.

                Also, I don't see Robert Meachem at all, unless the Patriots only signed Donte' Stallworth and Kelley Washington to those contracts with "out" clauses after the first year so that they could try to draft and groom their eventual replacements (actually, that sounds briliant, but I don't think it's the case.) Could very well be, though. Perhaps Stallworth and Washington get outed after the first year and Reche Caldwell's deal runs out, giving the Patriots a 1-2-3 of Jackson, Meachem, and Welker for the future?
                2nd part is exactly what I'm thinking. I think there's a good chance they still try to find a future WR as well.

                As for part 1, I think Harris is a late 1st/early 2nd. I'm doubtful he is there at 42 in all honesty. Too much buzz on him right now, and a solid 3-4 ILB fit.

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                • #9
                  Hmm.. It's hard to judge this from a Bronco's standpoint. I'm worried about Jenkins' health obviously. Moss is a decent pick, though.

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                  • #10
                    Interesting with all the trades.

                    That Jets pick is good and the trades not bad either. I wouldn't be mad if that happened.

                    Nice job.

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                    • #11
                      ok phins pick. I would rather have Ginn or Nelson. Also, is Quinn makes it past the Browns... he is ours! We will trade up for him most likely.

                      Dolphins Dream Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith 2. Artie Burns 3. Landon Turner

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                        Marshawn Lynch, Joy!


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JCutlery View Post
                          Hmm.. It's hard to judge this from a Bronco's standpoint. I'm worried about Jenkins' health obviously. Moss is a decent pick, though.
                          My other consideration, if I removed the Jenkins deal, was to have them deal up for Alan Branch. I think going after Jenkins is a good gamble, though.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by princefielder28 View Post
                            Marshawn Lynch, Joy!
                            Very exciting isn't it? That Marshawn Lynch pick ... so NEW!

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                            • #15
                              okay raider pick


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