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  • #16
    Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
    Yeah... lets add "on-field issues" to the Bengals' character concern list.
    I lawl'd at this.
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    • #17
      My thinking was if a long term deal was going to happen and hes that important to the team then the deal would have been done by now and they would not have had to franchise him. I understand the Titan fans don't want to see him go b/c they saw what the defense was like without him but you also have to look at what happens if they can't get a deal worked out and he hits FA next year and you have nothing to show for him.

      ALSO, im tired of people saying the bengals can't even consider anyone that has a blip of any issue in their lifetime. How long has it been since a Bengal has been arrested?

      I don't have any kind of chart but doesn't the #47 pick this year and a 2nd round next year equate to about a late first round pick? I personally think thats quite a big offer if you consider that he's only had 1 good year which was a contract year. We were going to give only a 3rd and a 5th for Shaun Rogers and I would put them both in the same category of question marks, size, ability, and such.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
        Actually, he isn't going anywhere because no team will give 2 1st rounders for a player with one dominant year and his track record.
        Good, we'll keep him and continue to eat team's o-lines for lunch.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by lost33cause View Post
          My thinking was if a long term deal was going to happen and hes that important to the team then the deal would have been done by now and they would not have had to franchise him. I understand the Titan fans don't want to see him go b/c they saw what the defense was like without him but you also have to look at what happens if they can't get a deal worked out and he hits FA next year and you have nothing to show for him.

          ALSO, im tired of people saying the bengals can't even consider anyone that has a blip of any issue in their lifetime. How long has it been since a Bengal has been arrested?

          I don't have any kind of chart but doesn't the #47 pick this year and a 2nd round next year equate to about a late first round pick? I personally think thats quite a big offer if you consider that he's only had 1 good year which was a contract year. We were going to give only a 3rd and a 5th for Shaun Rogers and I would put them both in the same category of question marks, size, ability, and such.
          Contract negotiations aren't as easy as you make them out to be. The Titans front office probably has other issues to worry about right now. They can hold off for a while on negotiating a new contract with Haynesworth, and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get his new contract until either the preseason or sometime in the regular season.

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          • #20
            Never going to happen. Besides Bulluck hes the heart and soul of the titans defense. Would take a 1st rounder and maybe some more to get him. They will be able to sign him next year. This guy is going no where.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
              Yeah... lets add "on-field issues" to the Bengals' character concern list.
              "Issues"? It was one incident.

              I don't see how he can be traded because the Titans would only need to use the DP on his replacement anyway. Value wise I think an early enough pick to land a Dorsey or Ellis in this class is fair, but why replace an actual pro bowler (even if it's only a very recent pro bowler) who is 26 with a unproven rookie.

              The reason the Titans haven't spent big in FA besides the fact there was nothing worth spending big over is because they have 3-4 players looking for an extension this or next offseason who will command top dollar, or close to it. Right now though, they are in 2nd+ tier FA and draft mode, so I don't think AH being without a deal means anything, it's just not the best time to be doing it. They have 2 months or so after the draft to get it done (and much longer with the other players).

              The difference between a Rogers and a Haynesworth is, Haynesworth was actually the driving factor behind a *good* defense. Without him the Titans D went from top 5 to bottom 10, without Rogers the Lions are not nearly as effected. 1 good year or not, the importance of a player to a team factors in on trade value as well obviously, and AH's importance was through the roof in 07. I think it would take a lot of persuading to get him in a trade. Remember, the Titans have the money to spend and it's not like he's in a situation like Briggs next to Urlacher. In the Titans D, AH *is* Urlacher. I doubt they have any qualms paying him what it costs.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by OzTitan View Post
                "Issues"? It was one incident.
                People (Titan fans) keep saying this... so I decided to investigate:

                An incident occurred at a Titans training camp, where Haynesworth kicked his teammate, center Justin Hartwig, in the chest, and had to be restrained by other teammates.
                Hmm... second kicking incident.

                Yeah... you're right, though. Stomping on a players unprotected head is forgivable behavior. He only received the largest suspension related to on-field conduct in the history of the league (and has done it before)... there's no reason for concern here.
                Originally posted by OzTitan
                The difference between a Rogers and a Haynesworth is, Haynesworth was actually the driving factor behind a *good* defense. Without him the Titans D went from top 5 to bottom 10, without Rogers the Lions are not nearly as effected. 1 good year or not, the importance of a player to a team factors in on trade value as well obviously, and AH's importance was through the roof in 07. I think it would take a lot of persuading to get him in a trade. Remember, the Titans have the money to spend and it's not like he's in a situation like Briggs next to Urlacher. In the Titans D, AH *is* Urlacher. I doubt they have any qualms paying him what it costs.
                You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

                The Lions went 6-2 with a dominant Rogers... then, when Rogers decided to quit, finished the season 1-7. From playoff team to mid pick because of one player. I'd say he had a substantial impact.

                And... Urlacher doesn't stomp on players' head/chest, so I don't see the comparison.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
                  People (Titan fans) keep saying this... so I decided to investigate:


                  Hmm... second kicking incident.

                  Yeah... you're right, though. Stomping on a players unprotected head is forgivable behavior. He only received the largest suspension related to on-field conduct in the history of the league (and has done it before)... there's no reason for concern here.
                  Not sure where I said stomping on a player's head was "forgivable behavior". The suspension was for the incident. It's not like he's the on the field version of Pacman, or that he's racked up a series of suspensions like these to qualify him as an on the field issue guy like the Bengals had in off the field issue guys. If he does something like that again to earn an on field suspension, then sure, but until then, he doesn't have 'issues'. What he did was clearly such a big deal to him, that I'd be shocked if he does anything remotely like that on an NFL field again. It was stupid as hell, but people can do stupid things and move on from them without being labelled a serial offender. Anyway, I don't really care honestly, just not sure a guy who was suspended once for an action that has clearly provided a wake up call is a player with "issues".

                  Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
                  You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

                  The Lions went 6-2 with a dominant Rogers... then, when Rogers decided to quit, finished the season 1-7. From playoff team to mid pick because of one player. I'd say he had a substantial impact.

                  And... Urlacher doesn't stomp on players' head/chest, so I don't see the comparison.
                  I said not nearly AS effected. The Titans D with Haynesworth in was top 3, with him out, more like bottom 3. And these are raw stats talking here, not just a fan's interpretation. Rogers' impact can't top that because he wasn't making the Lions a top 3 D like Haynesworth was for the Titans. I'm sure he had a big impact, but Haynesworth's in 07 was insane in proportion. Btw, looking at Kitna's stats in the first 8 compared to the last 8 suggests he could have had just as big, if not a bigger, impact than Rogers. The Titans O was constantly poor all year - the only variable was whether AH suited up or not.

                  And the Urlacher comparison was *obviously* regarding his importance to their respective D's. AH is not a Lance Briggs type the team can leave to test free agency and afford to lose. Everything about the Titans D starts with Haynesworth - at least it did in 07. When he's out, KVB gets doubled, Schwartz's "Front 4 pressure 95% of the time" scheme goes to sh*t, QB's get all day, and the rest of the defenders get exposed. The Titans D in 06 was pretty terrible particularly the run D, and the only change in 07 was Fowler and Griffin, not to mention losing Pacman. Lamont Thompson was bad, but he wasn't so bad his absence propels the Titans D into the top 5 league wide. That came squarely down to AH and his emmergence as a pro bowl DT, and possibly the best DT in the NFL last season. There is a reason he isn't being close to traded for a 3rd and a 5th this offseason.

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                  • #24
                    So I take it from the jist of the Titans' fans in here now that Favre retired Albert is assuming the God Throne?

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                    On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
                    Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

                    So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BigDawg819 View Post
                      So I take it from the jist of the Titans' fans in here now that Favre retired Albert is assuming the God Throne?
                      Just posting facts. Titans D was trash without AH last season, but was good enough to overcome some ridiculous offensive performances and still win games when he was in. Hell, in the Falcons game, on 4th and goal from the 1 for the game after yet another turnover in their own half, AH did a superman dive over the OL and clipped Leftwich's leg which caused him to stumble and get sacked for the win. People wanted to know how valuable he is to the Titans D, the answer is extremely valuable.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BigDawg819 View Post
                        So I take it from the jist of the Titans' fans in here now that Favre retired Albert is assuming the God Throne?
                        VYisAGod

                        nuff said.

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                        • #27
                          I would rather miami have the picks then trade for him from our perspective, soon as he gets the money he will go back to before I think

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
                            The Lions went 6-2 with a dominant Rogers... then, when Rogers decided to quit, finished the season 1-7. From playoff team to mid pick because of one player. I'd say he had a substantial impact.

                            Come on now, your not trying to tell me it was Shaun Rogers fault you guys went 6-2, and just because he played half ass down the stretch you guys went 1-7 and thats the major reason, not the fact that martz gets pass happy and abandons the run, or not the fact that kitna never had any time to throw, but yea it was all Rogers





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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                              Come on now, your not trying to tell me it was Shaun Rogers fault you guys went 6-2, and just because he played half ass down the stretch you guys went 1-7 and thats the major reason, not the fact that martz gets pass happy and abandons the run, or not the fact that kitna never had any time to throw, but yea it was all Rogers
                              What he said basically, it definitely wasn't all on Rogers that the Lions ship sunk past the half way mark last season. It was more on Kitna failing towards the end of the season. Lets just put it this way, Haynesworth is going no where because there are very little amount of players, and less teams that are willing to part with 2 first rounders for a player. He will get locked up long term either this preseason or next offseason, count on it. He matters the most to this defense then any one individual person


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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
                                People (Titan fans) keep saying this... so I decided to investigate:


                                Hmm... second kicking incident.

                                Yea youre right. Haynesworth is the first player ever to get in a skirmish with a teammate at training camp. :roll:

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