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  • #31
    Originally posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
    The most dominant in one year out of 5. Before last year, Haynesworth was considered one of the bigger busts of his draft class.
    I disagree with that all the ways, he had shown his talent level before but injuries and last year his stompin act that caused him alot of that season held him back IMO. Back to the ?, it would take all your picks then some before we gave up Fat Albert and his bucket of fried chicken.
    Last edited by smittyjs; 03-09-2008, 01:03 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by BigDawg819 View Post
      So I take it from the jist of the Titans' fans in here now that Favre retired Albert is assuming the God Throne?
      We have two GODs, VYisaGod and AHisaGod

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      • #33
        Originally posted by smittyjs View Post
        We have two GODs, VYisaGod and AHisaGod
        2 Gods and no playoff wins. Yup God doesn't matter in the NFL.... :D

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BigDawg819 View Post
          2 Gods and no playoff wins. Yup God doesn't matter in the NFL.... :D
          When you have satan also on your team it doesn't help you :(

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          • #35
            The only way I see them trading Haynesworth is if they can move up in this year's draft with the intention to get Glenn Dorsey. So if a team picking in the top 10 or earlier would want him, they could offer up their 1st rounder for Haynesworth and possibly the Titan's 1st rounder. Are there any teams picking in the top 10 who would want him?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by indyfan1985 View Post
              The only way I see them trading Haynesworth is if they can move up in this year's draft with the intention to get Glenn Dorsey. So if a team picking in the top 10 or earlier would want him, they could offer up their 1st rounder for Haynesworth and possibly the Titan's 1st rounder. Are there any teams picking in the top 10 who would want him?
              I dont understand why we would trade an elite DT and a 1st to take an unproven player at the same position. That would be just plain stupid. We wouldn't even trade just Haynesworth for a first to draft a DT. Its like the cowboys trading their two picks and Barber to get McFadden. Why would you trade a player at a need position to draft a player of the same position? Then it doesn't fill a need. It justs puts you in more of a hole.

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              • #37
                There's risks involved with Fat Al, but if I was the Titans I'd ask a lot for him.....probably along the lines of what would be considered too much. Very, very few guys who can play like him. If I'm the Titans, I take the risk as opposed to hoping to find a similar replacement.

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                • #38
                  Fat Al has his own after shave AH92

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                    Come on now, your not trying to tell me it was Shaun Rogers fault you guys went 6-2, and just because he played half ass down the stretch you guys went 1-7 and thats the major reason, not the fact that martz gets pass happy and abandons the run, or not the fact that kitna never had any time to throw, but yea it was all Rogers
                    Yeah... I think Rogers was the major reason. When he decided to sit on the sidelines or jog around the field, he left a huge hole at the position. Not only did our pass-rush suffer without him, but our run defense also suffered. The offense didn't change... Martz (and Kitna) were doing the same things in the first 8 that they did in the last 8. The defense fell apart, and the defense was led by Rogers.

                    This isn't only my opinion:
                    For all of Shaun Rogers' faults, and there were many, when he had his head on straight (which wasn't often) he was a dominating defensive tackle. Last season, when the Lions were winning and showing life, so was Rogers, and he was getting sacks, and blocking field goals, and even scoring a touchdown on a long run back. Then Rogers faded and likely not coincidentally, so did the Lions, and we were left without another lost season.
                    Originally posted by OzTitan
                    Not sure where I said stomping on a player's head was "forgivable behavior". The suspension was for the incident. It's not like he's the on the field version of Pacman, or that he's racked up a series of suspensions like these to qualify him as an on the field issue guy like the Bengals had in off the field issue guys. If he does something like that again to earn an on field suspension, then sure, but until then, he doesn't have 'issues'. What he did was clearly such a big deal to him, that I'd be shocked if he does anything remotely like that on an NFL field again. It was stupid as hell, but people can do stupid things and move on from them without being labelled a serial offender. Anyway, I don't really care honestly, just not sure a guy who was suspended once for an action that has clearly provided a wake up call is a player with "issues".
                    I never said you said it was "forgivable behavior"... but I'm not so quick to toss it in the rear view mirror (as some coaches probably aren't). He stomped on a teammate and stomped on the face of an opponent... it isn't an isolated incident and shouldn't be forgotten.

                    For the record: a lot of the Bengals' arrests involved drugs (and some, traffic violations). And, although some of them only happened once, they're still brought up (as you've brought them up). I'm much less concerned about Marijuana possession than I am stomping on a player's unprotected face.

                    Originally posted by Cashmoneydrew
                    Yea youre right. Haynesworth is the first player ever to get in a skirmish with a teammate at training camp.
                    That wasn't the point... at all. Try to follow it this time:

                    Titans' fans keep saying how the face stomp was ONE incident... yet he stomped on a teammate during training camp. So, the stomping wasn't only one incident, but happened more than once. Considering 99% of the players in the NFL last their entire career without stomping on a player, and Haynesworth has done it twice, I'd call it an "issue".

                    Believe what you will: teams haven't forgotten the incident, and probably wont.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Cashmoneydrew View Post
                      You need to wake up. 2 2nd rounders for argueably the most dominant defensive presence in the NFL? 2 1st rounders might get you a maybe. Our defense is **** without him so we will definitely keep him for this year and do everything we can to retain him longer. We have incredible cap so that's no problem.
                      The most dominant defensive presence in the NFL? A guy who finally performed in a contract year? If Haynesworth is the most dominant defensive presence in the NFL then the defensive talent in the league has gone to ****.

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                      • #41
                        for all his issues, hes only human and ive had anger management and i tell you now, im not a bad guy, but in the heat of the moment you will do questionable and shocking things through blind rage, i can see where he came from and i can understand so i put it behind me, as for the contract thing i think thats horse **** hes grown up since the stomping incident, he said how he realised it was the best thing for him and his family especially his daughter

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by TacticaLion
                          Actually, he isn't going anywhere because no team will give 2 1st rounders for a player with one dominant year and his track record.
                          Not true! I'm sure we could coax the Redskins and the Raiders into some sort of an agreement. ;)

                          Originally posted by lost33cause
                          My thinking was if a long term deal was going to happen and hes that important to the team then the deal would have been done by now and they would not have had to franchise him. I understand the Titan fans don't want to see him go b/c they saw what the defense was like without him but you also have to look at what happens if they can't get a deal worked out and he hits FA next year and you have nothing to show for him.

                          ALSO, im tired of people saying the bengals can't even consider anyone that has a blip of any issue in their lifetime. How long has it been since a Bengal has been arrested?

                          I don't have any kind of chart but doesn't the #47 pick this year and a 2nd round next year equate to about a late first round pick? I personally think thats quite a big offer if you consider that he's only had 1 good year which was a contract year. We were going to give only a 3rd and a 5th for Shaun Rogers and I would put them both in the same category of question marks, size, ability, and such.
                          They were in contract talks before FA, but it was going slow. The FO didn't want to be distracted by Haynesworth's contract negotiations, so they used the Franchise Tag, which allows them to basically just postpone the contract negotiation. You have to factor that we had a few prominent FA's to try to re-sign (Odom, Bell, and LaBoy), we had to schedule visits and pursue other FA's, and also work out the largest contract for a DT in the history of the NFL.

                          If we were just evaluating Haynesworth as a player, I'd say a 1st and a 3rd/ two 2nd RD picks would be adequate value, based on Rogers and Stroud's trades. But due to the impact that Haynesworth has on our success, we couldn't lose him without receiving something that would give us equal impact to that of Haynesworth's.

                          An incident occurred at a Titans training camp, where Haynesworth kicked his teammate, center Justin Hartwig, in the chest, and had to be restrained by other teammates.
                          Who's the source for this? Since the quote is out of context, I don't know if Haynesworth was a provoked, as Hartwig is a punk and always has been. If the kick to Hartwig's chest was out of revenge like the kick to Gurode's head (Gurode went after Haynesworth's knees twice, if memory serves me correctly), then it's still just an anger issue, which he's gotten under control due to therapy. Haynesworth isn't PacMan. Don't make him out to be.

                          Originally posted by TacticaLion
                          And... Urlacher doesn't stomp on players' head/chest, so I don't see the comparison.
                          He's talking about the impact of the players on the field, and that they're not made to look better by playing next to a superior players. You know that, so go take your witch hunt elsewhere.

                          Originally posted by BigDawg891
                          So I take it from the jist of the Titans' fans in here now that Favre retired Albert is assuming the God Throne?
                          Unfortunately, no... only John Madden can make that decision.

                          Originally posted by Cashmoneydrew
                          Yea youre right. Haynesworth is the first player ever to get in a skirmish with a teammate at training camp. :roll:
                          Vince Young and Donnie Nickey are menaces to society, and for the good of man kind, should be disbarred from the NFL. Indeed, Young and Vick have many things in common. Training camp skirmishes and dog fighting... both felonies in my eyes.


                          Originally posted by smittyjs
                          Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
                          The most dominant in one year out of 5. Before last year, Haynesworth was considered one of the bigger busts of his draft class.
                          I disagree with that all the ways, he had shown his talent level before but injuries and last year his stompin act that caused him alot of that season held him back IMO. Back to the ?, it would take all your picks then some before we gave up Fat Albert and his bucket of fried chicken.
                          I agree with this. Fat Al has always had injury problems which have held him back. And if you watched our team in '06, the DEF improved with a healthy Haynesworth's return. He's been our best DT for the past few years, and if you thought he was a bust because he hadn't been to multiple Pro Bowls in his first few years, then the viewer must have held naive expectations. Haynesworth's time of maturity isn't later than normal, given his history of mild injuries and long suspension last year.

                          Originally posted by Cashmoneydrew
                          I dont understand why we would trade an elite DT and a 1st to take an unproven player at the same position. That would be just plain stupid. We wouldn't even trade just Haynesworth for a first to draft a DT. Its like the cowboys trading their two picks and Barber to get McFadden. Why would you trade a player at a need position to draft a player of the same position? Then it doesn't fill a need. It justs puts you in more of a hole.
                          Haynesworth is better for our DEF than Dorsey or Ellis. Finding a player who can play NT in our DEF AND can be as dominant as Haynesworth is extremely rare. An 85% healthy Haynesworth is more valuable to us than a 100% healthy Dorsey at UT.

                          Originally posted by TacticaLion
                          That wasn't the point... at all. Try to follow it this time:

                          Titans' fans keep saying how the face stomp was ONE incident... yet he stomped on a teammate during training camp. So, the stomping wasn't only one incident, but happened more than once. Considering 99% of the players in the NFL last their entire career without stomping on a player, and Haynesworth has done it twice, I'd call it an "issue".

                          Believe what you will: teams haven't forgotten the incident, and probably wont.
                          For someone who's mocking someone else's reading comprehension, you're a lil slow to the point too, aren't ya buddy?

                          You paste a quote without linking it to anything, forcing us to believe that Al kicked a notorious jerk in training camp (Was Hartwig defenseless, was Al provoked, etc.). It holds less water than you make it out to be, unless there's more to the story that you have chosen not to show us.

                          Nevertheless, Al's attended multiple anger management sessions, and so far, has yet to be involved in any type of dispute. Then, he has the most dominant performance by a DT in a season. That alone will draw interest.

                          We're not saying the dude doesn't have baggage. We're just saying that you're not making a subjective argument.

                          Originally posted by TacticaLion
                          I'm much less concerned about Marijuana possession than I am stomping on a player's unprotected face.
                          I really hope you're not serious about this... If you are, you've lost a lot of credibility in this argument...
                          Last edited by TitanHope; 03-09-2008, 08:29 PM.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by TitanHope View Post
                            Who's the source for this?
                            NBC Sports:
                            Originally posted by [url=http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/15132956/]NBC Sports[/url]
                            Keyshawn rips temperamental Haynesworth
                            ‘I wouldn't want him on my team,’ Panthers WR says of suspended Titan.

                            CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Justin Hartwig saw the replay of Albert Haynesworth kicking a player in the head and wasn’t surprised.

                            For good reason: The Carolina Panthers’ center was a victim of Haynesworth’s temper three years ago.

                            The Tennessee Titans defensive tackle was suspended five games — the longest suspension for an on-field incident in NFL history — for twice stomping on the head of Dallas center Andre Gurode on Sunday. Gurode, who lost his helmet, required 30 stitches to repair gashes on his face.

                            “It’s kind of unimaginable to think a football player could do that to another football player, but knowing Albert and what he’s done in the past, it really didn’t surprise me at all,” Hartwig said Wednesday. “I wouldn’t put anything past that guy.”

                            In 2003, when Hartwig played with the Titans, he saw Haynesworth’s temper up close.

                            “It was the first couple of days of training camp I had been beating him in one-on-one drills. I had stopped him in a bull-rush pass rush drill. When he let up I dropped to my knees and he kicked me in the chest,” Hartwig said. “I grabbed his foot when he kicked me, and another offensive lineman came in and cleaned him out.

                            “You don’t disrespect another player or a teammate like that.”

                            Haynesworth’s actions were a hot topic in the Panthers’ locker room Wednesday, with the theme being that Haynesworth violated football’s unwritten code of ethics.

                            “I wouldn’t want him on my team,” veteran receiver Keyshawn Johnson said. “That’s just me. I don’t condone it. I don’t think it’s cool. If somebody did that on this team when I was here, I’d tell (owner Jerry Richardson) the same thing, ’I don’t want him on my team. I’m not going to play with a dude doing that on my team.”’

                            Hartwig stressed it was not an isolated incident and he never got along with Haynesworth while he was in Tennessee.

                            “I never really talked to him. He’s the kind of guy I stayed away from. He loses his mind sometimes,” said Hartwig, who signed a free-agent deal with Carolina in the offseason. “When he’s getting beat, he tends to lose control of his emotions. He gets irrational and doesn’t think straight.

                            “He would lose his cool and hit somebody after the play, stuff like that when they’re not looking. I got into it with him almost every year.”

                            Hartwig said Haynesworth was reprimanded several times by the Titans for practice scuffles that were kept from the media. That history is one reason Hartwig questioned the length of his suspension.

                            “I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility to suspend him for the whole season,” Hartwig said. “It’s the most intentional thing to hurt somebody I’ve ever seen. That crosses every sports and moral boundary you can think of.”

                            Hartwig returned to practice Wednesday for the first time since suffering a pulled groin in the season-opening loss to Atlanta. He’s listed as questionable for Sunday’s game against Cleveland.

                            But while Hartwig was hopeful he’d return Sunday, he wasn’t sure if Haynesworth has much of a future in the NFL.

                            “Sometimes a guy never learns,” Hartwig said.
                            It really isn't hard to do the research yourself... just go to google and type in "haynesworth kicked hartwig" (or anything close to it)... it's right there.

                            Read it... then make your own decision.
                            Originally posted by TitanHope
                            I really hope you're not serious about this... If you are, you've lost a lot of credibility in this argument...
                            Oh whatever. Credibility? From you? Keep it.

                            I'd rather have a player that wants to smoke marijuana than a player that will stomp on a player's unprotected head when he gets mad. Football is a game of passion, and Haynesworth (apparently) can't control his.

                            How many players in the history of the NFL have smoked marijuana (or have gotten caught for it)? How many have stomped on another player's head? Call me crazy... claim that I've lost "credibility"... do whatever makes you feel good. I'd rather have a stoner than a thug.
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                            • #44
                              “I never really talked to him. He’s the kind of guy I stayed away from. He loses his mind sometimes,” said Hartwig, who signed a free-agent deal with Carolina in the offseason. “When he’s getting beat, he tends to lose control of his emotions. He gets irrational and doesn’t think straight.

                              i think its hard for people who have never suffered from anger problems to understand, when you look back you can see the wrong of your actions but during the moment your only thinking about venting your anger on the cause of it. councelling helped me and now im alot better but still not perfect, i dont hold anything against him as a person because ive been there so i can understand whats going on in his head so im glad i got that guy on my team because he really isnt a bad dude

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by stephenson86 View Post
                                “I never really talked to him. He’s the kind of guy I stayed away from. He loses his mind sometimes,” said Hartwig, who signed a free-agent deal with Carolina in the offseason. “When he’s getting beat, he tends to lose control of his emotions. He gets irrational and doesn’t think straight.

                                i think its hard for people who have never suffered from anger problems to understand, when you look back you can see the wrong of your actions but during the moment your only thinking about venting your anger on the cause of it. councelling helped me and now im alot better but still not perfect, i dont hold anything against him as a person because ive been there so i can understand whats going on in his head so im glad i got that guy on my team because he really isnt a bad dude
                                I don't hate Haynesworth and I don't think he's a horrible player... but he's an angry person playing an angry game. He has a hard time controlling his anger and will constantly be put into situations that can set him off.

                                Once again, he isn't a bad person... but he has a problem. And, when you mix that problem with the aggression of the NFL, it becomes a big problem. It's almost a matter of "when" he goes off again and not "if".

                                One more serious incident and he could be out of football... is it worth it?
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