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IMO Phil Savage. In 3-4 years he took the very worste team in the NFL to possibly top 5 in the hard AFC.
Everyone remembers some of our horrible draft picks. Free agents despite us having money, refused to play here.
We get the top free agents now, great pro bowl quality draft picks. Hes unbeleavable at getting players as undrafted FA's getting Cribbs and Bodden of late. He was also in charge of bringing in and having faith in Derek Anderson.
He played a huge part in the Ravens superbowl and the solid teams they had and brought the same style to Cleveland.
Ted Thomas deserved to win, and I also like AJ Smith, but Phil easily did the most with less.
We didnt have a simgle pro bowler for a span of about 5-6 years, and we had 6 this year.
The Browns could have around 9 pro bowl players this year if everyone plays up to par.
Lawrence Vickers (without Lorenzo Neal Vickers is a near lock)
Eric Steinbach (has made 2 before)
Shaun Rogers (has made 2 before)
Its just nasty what Phil Savage has done with the talent level of this team and I didnt even include the solid players like...
THis team is going to be pretty nasty. He has also brought an unbelievable coaching staff in from the horrid Butch Davis years.
His been credited for genius salary cap meneuvers that have since been picked up by teams all around the league.
Who would have thought 3 years ago when he took over for the Browns we would be talking deep playoff runs? If this team was in the NFC they could easily be considered the 2nd best team by more than one guru.
Before Phil Savage/after Phil Savage
Tim Couch - Derek Anderson
William Green - Jamal Lewis
Terrell Smith - Lawrence Vickers
Kevin Johnson - Braylon Edwards
Quincy Morgan - Donte Stallworth
Dennis Northcutt - Joe Jurivicius
LJ Sheldon - Joe THomas
Joe Andruzzi - Eric Steinbach
Jeff Faine - Hank Fraley
Cosey Coleman - Lecharles Bentley (finally healthy)
Ross Verba - Kevin Shaffer
Kenard Land - Corey Williams
Gerard Warren - Shaun Rogers
Alvin McKinley - Shaun Smith
Ebinezer Eukuban - Robair Smith
Ben Taylor - Dqwell Jackson
Kevin Bentley - Kamerion Wimbley
Daylon Mccutcheon - Eric Wright
Michael Jamison - Brodney Poole
Michael Lehan - Sean Jones
anyone see a difference in 3 years?
Then why should Savage win the award. If they both overachieved.
On the topic of Ted Thompson, here's a nice little stat: of the 10 rookies (10 individuals accounted for all 17 weeks) awarded "Rookie of the Week" in 2007, 3 (Jones, Crosby, and Jackson) were Packers.
Take care of your own ****. It's not the Colts job to get the Browns in the playoffs. You lost to Oakland, Arizona, and Cincinatti, it's you're own fault and no one else's.
Saying this in the neg rep
And the Packers came up short again with maybe their last shot at a SB until they get a real QB lol!
So I neg repped you back not only for that but because you aren't making any sense in you're arguments and can't make a valid point if your life depended on it. I didn't even say anything about the Packers I was talking about the Browns.
6-2 start and people thought Millen might win something
then a 1-7 finish?
Terrible Defense that overachieved in the first half and a refusal of Martz to run the ball. Everyone disappeared on the D-line, unfortunatley including Shaun Rogers which is why he is a Brown now. I think Rogers has a lot left though and he is a tremendous talent. I think the Lions still neeed him because Darby is not the answer but I'm happy we got Bodden and a 3rd for him.