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  • #31
    Originally posted by Lions WMD View Post
    We should draft a LT in Round 2 next year. Center ain't gonna happen, we signed Dominic Raiola to a 4 year extension a few months ago. The guards can definitely be upgraded though.
    Why round 2? Jeff Backus is at best mediocre...

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    • #32
      I dont like it either. Then again, I've never been a big Stafford fan. I wouldnt expect one of those good rookie seasons from him. Some good flashes, some really bad plays, lots of INTs. I think Sanchez is more ready than Stafford is.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Malaka View Post
        Why round 2? Jeff Backus is at best mediocre...
        Probably because at this point no OT has proven to be worth a top 3 pick where the Lions will almost assuredly be picking.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by DoughBoy View Post
          Yep, thats what they said about David Carr. This is stupid move, unless the OL got 20x better.
          As bad as our line my be, it isn't half as bad as that Houston line that Carr played behind. That 2002 Houston offensive line was one of the worst in history.

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          • #35
            We really need to get some help on Defense. Especially on the DL. I also think you can find success in a Round 2 LT just as 'easy' as you can in Round 1. I mean, I wouldn't be terribly upset at a Round 1 LT but I'd prefer going the Round 2 route.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Xiomera View Post
              I don't think there's much risk. Stafford won't be rattled.

              This will just get a head start on Stafford/Calvin becoming the most feared QB/WR combo in history.
              Calvin/Anybody is one of the most feared combos in history

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              • #37
                Originally posted by P-L View Post
                As bad as our line my be, it isn't half as bad as that Houston line that Carr played behind. That 2002 Houston offensive line was one of the worst in history.
                I agree but if Stafford gets sacked 40,50,or 60 times expect the same results.



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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DoughBoy View Post
                  Well, their are people like me and Texans fans out there that belive David Carr could have been good had he had an O-line. After taking the beating that he did in his first couple of years he became a completely diffrent QB. He showed no willingness to hold wait for a play to develop because he was afraid to get hit, his carrer went down hill because he had trust issues with his supporting cast. The same thing could happen to Matthew Stafford and it isnt a question of talent but sometimes a team can be so bad a good player can take his game down an entire level and stay there. Heath Shuler is another guy that comes to mind off the top of my head.
                  I honestly don't buy any of this crap. A good QB is a good QB. Any QB will do poorly if they have a terrible OL, and better if they have a good one.

                  But a good QB is a good QB. You get them some help, they will play well. All of those guys that are being mentioned, Carr and Joey in particular, had chances later in their career with better teams and were no better themselves. They were just as bad because they were bad QB's. Look at Harrington, not even able to hold a #3 job. That's because he sucks.

                  You cannot tell me that two or three years of having bad line play ruined them as QB's. If that's true, they were mental midgets to begin with.

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                  • #39
                    I don't think he will get sacked that much. Last year all Lions quarterbacks combined got sacked 42 times. We made a slight upgrade to our LG position, Gosder has another year of experience, Stafford has a quicker release than anyone on our roster last year, and he's far more mobile than Jon Kitna and Daunte Culpepper with a bum knee.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Calvin & Kevin View Post
                      I honestly don't buy any of this crap. A good QB is a good QB. Any QB will do poorly if they have a terrible OL, and better if they have a good one.

                      But a good QB is a good QB. You get them some help, they will play well. All of those guys that are being mentioned, Carr and Joey in particular, had chances later in their career with better teams and were no better themselves. They were just as bad because they were bad QB's. Look at Harrington, not even able to hold a #3 job. That's because he sucks.

                      You cannot tell me that two or three years of having bad line play ruined them as QB's. If that's true, they were mental midgets to begin with.
                      Years of abuse can negatively affect a players psyche to the point where they are unable to get over things mentally at any point in their career. It doesn't happen to all players, but it can happen to some. For the lions sake, I hope that Stafford either a) doesn't take a ton of abuse or b) is able to overcome the abuse he is probably going to take.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by P-L View Post
                        I don't think he will get sacked that much. Last year all Lions quarterbacks combined got sacked 42 times. We made a slight upgrade to our LG position, Gosder has another year of experience, Stafford has a quicker release than anyone on our roster last year, and he's far more mobile than Jon Kitna and Daunte Culpepper with a bum knee.
                        ESPN says that they gave up 52 sacks.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Calvin & Kevin View Post
                          I honestly don't buy any of this crap. A good QB is a good QB. Any QB will do poorly if they have a terrible OL, and better if they have a good one.

                          But a good QB is a good QB. You get them some help, they will play well. All of those guys that are being mentioned, Carr and Joey in particular, had chances later in their career with better teams and were no better themselves. They were just as bad because they were bad QB's. Look at Harrington, not even able to hold a #3 job. That's because he sucks.

                          You cannot tell me that two or three years of having bad line play ruined them as QB's. If that's true, they were mental midgets to begin with.
                          There's a reason young fighters dont get thrown in the ring too early against veteran fighters and they dont run 2 year old horses against 5 year olds. Stafford will be allright because i think they'll manage what he does out there but for me you would bring him in a month in to the season to pick up the pieces from Culpepper.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Calvin & Kevin View Post
                            I honestly don't buy any of this crap. A good QB is a good QB. Any QB will do poorly if they have a terrible OL, and better if they have a good one.

                            But a good QB is a good QB. You get them some help, they will play well.
                            All of those guys that are being mentioned, Carr and Joey in particular, had chances later in their career with better teams and were no better themselves.They were just as bad because they were bad QB's. Look at Harrington, not even able to hold a #3 job. That's because he sucks.

                            You cannot tell me that two or three years of having bad line play ruined them as QB's. If that's true, they were mental midgets to begin with.
                            So you do agree? Im confused? And lol at mental midgets? Are you really going to sit there and tell me that if Matt Stafford gets sacked 52 times a year he is going to play well because he is a good QB? Aint gunna happen.



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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Bigburt63 View Post
                              Years of abuse can negatively affect a players psyche to the point where they are unable to get over things mentally at any point in their career. It doesn't happen to all players, but it can happen to some.
                              Right - the ones who weren't going to be able to take it anyway.

                              Don't get me wrong, I think maybe Culpepper should have started 2 or 3 games to begin with. Or at least I could have accepted that decision. But the coaching staff is going all in with Stafford because they think he's the best option and as a Lions fan you have no idea how much we've needed a coaching staff that would make some ballsy decisions.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by DoughBoy View Post
                                So you do agree? Im confused? And lol at mental midgets? Are you really going to sit there and tell me that if Matt Stafford gets sacked 52 times a year he is going to play well because he is a good QB? Aint gunna happen.
                                reading comprehension pls

                                I said that any QB will play worse with poor OL help. I'm talking about this "oo it'll affect him down the road and ruin his career" thing everyone's saying.

                                If he is a good QB, then he will be affected by terrible OL play like any QB would, but it won't make a difference in his long-term development, if the Lions get better OL play down the road or he ends up on another team with a good OL, he will play better, unlike these other examples of QBs like Joey or Carr who ended up with better teams later and played just as bad.

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