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  • #31
    Originally posted by TitanHope View Post
    He's gonna be playing MIKE for ya'll? You sure?

    Yikes...not sure how I like that. He may be 230 lbs. right now, and his playing weight at OLB was around 235 lbs. He's a coverage linebacker, and taking on blocks isn't his strong suite. He was solid at stuffing for an OLB though.

    I love KBull. He has much more left in the tank. Just depends on how his ACL has healed. I'm just worred about him playing MIKE. I'm assuming ya'll are moving more towards Cover 2 than ZBS? Cause if there's one thing Bulluck can't do, it's blitz.

    Ya'll could be heading towards a situation like Oakland was in last year with Morrison if ya'll are needing a MLB who needs to take on and shed blockers and not one that can drop and excel in coverage. Bulluck's definitely a leader though, and he was the one who got everyone lined up on DEF for the Titans.
    Yeah, all indications point towards a Cover 2 defense. I know most of us Giants fans are in denial about it, but all the subtle signs point towards it. I don't think that's a good fit for our personnel at all, but it is what it is.

    We need a thumper at MIKE, he doesn't seem to fit the bill. I'm very skeptical about this move.

    Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
    I actually think that he'll be a 4th linebacker. Unless our DTs are much much better we'll need a MLB who can clean up the run, that's Jonathon Goff. KB meanwhile would be brought on on passing downs while also being Boley's backup incase he gets banged up again. At least that's what I'm hoping happens. Unless of course we plan to move Boley to SLB which I'm not too fond of given how well he's played at WLB for us.
    No, Bulluck is the starting MIKE. They pretty much told him so. He's not coming in as a situational player. They MAY use him at SAM if Sintim isn't ready, but I doubt it. Its pretty much set in stone that he's our MIKE.

    Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
    Is Keith really going to be that much better than old Pierce? I loved Bulluck pre injury but I'm not so sure he can still make a big impact. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
    I think they're opposite players. Pierce couldn't cover for ****, Bulluck is great at coverage but isn't the thumper type. Pierce wasn't a thumper either, he was pretty much useless out there, but still.

    I think Bulluck is an improvement over Pierce quite frankly bc ANYTHING is an improvement over Pierce. But I personally rather let our young guys play and prove their worth.

    The only reasons why I see us making this move is bc we wanted to fill a leadership void, and bc we are running a Cover 2. I know they claim they're not, but I personally don't believe a word from coaching staffs during the offseason. They tell the fans what they want to hear, not necessarily the truth.

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    • #32
      but Keith is a tough SOB. he'll bring leadership and some toughness that this D severely lacked last year. I mean we were pathetic, not motivated, falling apart etc. I think Keith is perfect right here. And we finally have a MIKE who can cover. I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised by this move. Also, scotty's insider info: He and Osi are good pals. Osi's thrilled about this and Keith's gooing to push him hard. My aunt said Osi is ecstatic and I think you're gonna see the Osi of old us giants fans miss and love
      We ALL bleed scarlet
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      BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
        but Keith is a tough SOB. he'll bring leadership and some toughness that this D severely lacked last year. I mean we were pathetic, not motivated, falling apart etc. I think Keith is perfect right here. And we finally have a MIKE who can cover. I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised by this move. Also, scotty's insider info: He and Osi are good pals. Osi's thrilled about this and Keith's gooing to push him hard. My aunt said Osi is ecstatic and I think you're gonna see the Osi of old us giants fans miss and love
        I think Osi needs to man up and stop needing a big brother type to keep him motivated (first Strahan, now Bulluck).

        We have his replacement in house in case he gets cute. He needs to shut up and play.

        Bulluck is coming off an ACL. Theres no guarantee he's back. I know he wowed them during workouts but still. It usually takes 2 years to come back from a ligament tear. Plus he's 33, so who knows if he ever comes back from that.

        We need a guy who can stack and shed, he's not that guy. The problem I have with all the Giant offseason moves the past 2-3 years is that we're so hell bent on getting players to stop the pass that we completely ignore stopping the run.

        And that's what killed us last year, we had no run stuffers. Now we enter this season by adding just 1 run stuffer in Linval Joseph. The rest were all pass coverage/rush moves. Again.

        We were soft up the middle last year, and this doesn't really make us any tougher.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
          This signing pretty much means the Giants do not have faith in Jonathan Goff or starting rookie Phillip Dillard.

          At least that's my take on it. Or perhaps its not Goff's play that bothers them, but his quiet demeanor that doesn't get the respect of his teammates. They need a leader too, and maybe they look at Bulluck as a guy who can be a lockerroom leader and vocal guy in the middle.

          I'm curious to know how much he has left in the tank. He'll be playing MIKE for us. The guy used to be a beast, but he's old now and coming off an ACL. I don't know what to expect out of him.

          Part of me would prefer starting Goff or Dillard and at least seeing if we have something in them so we can address it in the offseason or not. Bulluck is just a 1 year rental, it doesn't really solve anything for us.

          If he still has something left in that tank though, then this is a great signing. I'm skeptical though.

          Not it means we need a veteran guy to come in right away. I think it reflects poorly on what we think of Gerris. We moved him to mike, and now added a veteran which indicates to me, that we have no patience left in developing him.

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          • #35
            Well I think with just Bulluck's prescence and mentality, we're incredibly tougher. Hopefully with Canty healthy and now Linval, we can bring back some toughness. Last year, we couldn't do ANYTHING on D. literally nothing. rush the passer, stuff the run, stop the pass. we could do NOTHING. I'm just in love with the Bulluck signing. The Sam Madison comparison of a few years ago is spot on. he can help us on the field, and more importantly off, and help the development on. His leadership will be probably be the most important part of him signing on. Mentally, we were incredibly weak. No passion, leadership or anything. Bulluck will be an enormous plus in those catagories.
            We ALL bleed scarlet
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            UNITED: I actually attend the college I root for
            Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
            BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Boss+Manning=Banning View Post
              Not it means we need a veteran guy to come in right away. I think it reflects poorly on what we think of Gerris. We moved him to mike, and now added a veteran which indicates to me, that we have no patience left in developing him.
              Gerris had nothing to do with this signing. He was 4th on the depth chart at MIKE.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                Gerris had nothing to do with this signing. He was 4th on the depth chart at MIKE.
                They made the move thinking he could salvage something at a position with a huge hole. Clearly they didnt like his progress, and the Dillard is a rookie, leaving us with 1 guy and Chase. So we get a stop gap, and hope he can teach and help the others. And if someone steps up, then they may win the position later in the season. Plus gives us depth if there are injuries.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
                  Well I think with just Bulluck's prescence and mentality, we're incredibly tougher. Hopefully with Canty healthy and now Linval, we can bring back some toughness. Last year, we couldn't do ANYTHING on D. literally nothing. rush the passer, stuff the run, stop the pass. we could do NOTHING. I'm just in love with the Bulluck signing. The Sam Madison comparison of a few years ago is spot on. he can help us on the field, and more importantly off, and help the development on. His leadership will be probably be the most important part of him signing on. Mentally, we were incredibly weak. No passion, leadership or anything. Bulluck will be an enormous plus in those catagories.
                  I think leadership is slightly overrated. Leadership wasn't a problem until we lost to Philly in the playoffs in 08 and lost Spagnuolo.

                  Leadership is a cliche term, leaders step up when the time is right. The problem was we weren't winning, not leadership.

                  I think belief in the coaching staff and having a good system in place is what we need. When a team buys into the coach, leadership will emerge on its own. When they don't, there won't be any leadership.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Boss+Manning=Banning View Post
                    They made the move thinking he could salvage something at a position with a huge hole. Clearly they didnt like his progress, and the Dillard is a rookie, leaving us with 1 guy and Chase. So we get a stop gap, and hope he can teach and help the others. And if someone steps up, then they may win the position later in the season. Plus gives us depth if there are injuries.
                    They didn't put their eggs in Wilkinson's basket. They just moved him in hopes that he could salvage his career and stay on the depth chart. He was the 4th string MIKE, there were 3 guys ahead of him to take that position.

                    Now with Bulluck, he's 5th on the depth chart. In fact, if you count Kehl, he's 6th on the depth chart. Wilkinson is getting cut this year.

                    They didn't have faith in Goff, thats why they made this move.

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                    • #40
                      I'm not sure I agree BBD. at times this year, we looked just too defeated. we had no energy or guys stepping up. We were a defense with no leader. Not on the field, or even off with our DC. we had nothing. the mental aspect is not to be overlooked. the Super Bowl winning team embraced the underdog mentality and look where it got them. Embracing a mentality and fighting with it, with leaders is a crucial part of this game. We had nobody to look to last year, and I think Bulluck can step up and be that.

                      also, our communication last year was piss poor to say the least, and a smart, experienced guy like Keith can help us there big time.
                      Low risk, super high reward move here, if you really wanna look at it that way
                      We ALL bleed scarlet
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                      UNITED: I actually attend the college I root for
                      Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
                      BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                        They didn't put their eggs in Wilkinson's basket. They just moved him in hopes that he could salvage his career and stay on the depth chart. He was the 4th string MIKE, there were 3 guys ahead of him to take that position.

                        Now with Bulluck, he's 5th on the depth chart. In fact, if you count Kehl, he's 6th on the depth chart. Wilkinson is getting cut this year.

                        They didn't have faith in Goff, thats why they made this move.
                        Faith is nice and all, but even if they had faith in Goff having a vet like Bulluck just in case would be a good move just in case. Plus Bulluck will help fire up the troops while also mentoring youngins like Goff, Dillard and Kehl.

                        BK

                        Originally posted by AcheTen
                        JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
                        Originally posted by abaddon41_80
                        Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
                        Originally posted by JBCX
                        Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
                          I'm not sure I agree BBD. at times this year, we looked just too defeated. we had no energy or guys stepping up. We were a defense with no leader. Not on the field, or even off with our DC. we had nothing. the mental aspect is not to be overlooked. the Super Bowl winning team embraced the underdog mentality and look where it got them. Embracing a mentality and fighting with it, with leaders is a crucial part of this game. We had nobody to look to last year, and I think Bulluck can step up and be that.

                          also, our communication last year was piss poor to say the least, and a smart, experienced guy like Keith can help us there big time.
                          Low risk, super high reward move here, if you really wanna look at it that way
                          They were defeated bc they had no faith in Sheridan, and they were injured beyond belief. 8 of our starters on defense were injured, plus more guys on the bench. Think about that.

                          I think the leadership void was a problem in the coaching staff. Even with Strahan, our defense pointed fingers, was lost in communication etc with Tim Lewis (with AP in the middle). Once we got Spags, the team bought in, and the defense played well and together, even when Strahan left in 08.

                          It's belief in the system, once players buy into the system, leadership emerges on its own.

                          If the players don't buy into the system, it doesn't matter how many veteran "leaders" you have, your defense is gonna suck regardless.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
                            Faith is nice and all, but even if they had faith in Goff having a vet like Bulluck just in case would be a good move just in case. Plus Bulluck will help fire up the troops while also mentoring youngins like Goff, Dillard and Kehl.
                            This wasn't a just in case move. He's brought in to be the starter. Not a bench guy to come in just in case Goff sucks it up.

                            LB is one of the easier positions to plug and chug with. They don't need a mentor. They need playing time.

                            Dlinemen need mentors, DBs need mentors. LBs don't.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                              They didn't put their eggs in Wilkinson's basket. They just moved him in hopes that he could salvage his career and stay on the depth chart. He was the 4th string MIKE, there were 3 guys ahead of him to take that position.

                              Now with Bulluck, he's 5th on the depth chart. In fact, if you count Kehl, he's 6th on the depth chart. Wilkinson is getting cut this year.

                              They didn't have faith in Goff, thats why they made this move.
                              Or they felt like he needed more time. Implement a new system, and get a veteran to come in, who was proven, and in the meantime, take the pressure off of the mike backer. Also, no Goff doesn't have to set the line, and make the calls like he would have. Let a veteran who was proven do that.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                                They were defeated bc they had no faith in Sheridan, and they were injured beyond belief. 8 of our starters on defense were injured, plus more guys on the bench. Think about that.

                                I think the leadership void was a problem in the coaching staff. Even with Strahan, our defense pointed fingers, was lost in communication etc with Tim Lewis (with AP in the middle). Once we got Spags, the team bought in, and the defense played well and together, even when Strahan left in 08.

                                It's belief in the system, once players buy into the system, leadership emerges on its own.

                                If the players don't buy into the system, it doesn't matter how many veteran "leaders" you have, your defense is gonna suck regardless.
                                Agreed.

                                Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                                This wasn't a just in case move. H
                                e's brought in to be the starter. Not a bench guy to come in just in case Goff sucks it up.

                                LB is one of the easier positions to plug and chug with. They don't need a mentor. They need playing time.

                                Dlinemen need mentors, DBs need mentors. LBs don't.
                                That's not true, the MIKE for us has to make all of the calls, all of the adjustments, the audibles, the MIKE has to read the field and the team. While Goff is a smart guy and has supposedly been doing well at learning all of that it doesn't hurt to have someone with as much experience as KB has helping him improve at reading the game. Plus I just think KB is too washed up for us to be depending on him to be the rock in the middle of our D, especially coming off of the torn ACL.

                                BK

                                Originally posted by AcheTen
                                JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
                                Originally posted by abaddon41_80
                                Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
                                Originally posted by JBCX
                                Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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