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  • one thing I found highly amusing is that the same guys who always say "defense wins championships" get to make a list and offensive guys outnumer the defensive guys 2 to 1.... hypocricy much?

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    • Dan Marino was a lot better than Elway.
      Originally posted by SNIPER26
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      • Who were these 55 Pro Bowlers?

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        • Originally posted by elway=goat View Post
          I think the coldhardfootballfacts crew, pretty much described Dan Marino to a T.
          I think they are cherry picking to suit their argument while ignoring the total picture.

          The Dolphins defensive ranking from 1984-94 in a 28 team NFL were as follows: 19th, 23rd, 26th, 26th, 26th, 24th, 7th, 25th, 10th, 20th, 19th.

          They were bottom half for 95-97.

          Are we really going to compare the Steel Curtain to that? Its like saying Walter Payton and Christian Okoye are comparible because they both led the NFL in rushing just once.

          The only thing you could possibly criticise is 1998 and 99 when they had a good young defense under Jimmy Johnson. A defense which then gave up 100 points in two playoff games.

          And btw - I'm a big Elway fan but Marino was just better imo. Gary Zimmerman was a HOF left tackle on those Super Bowl teams. Terrell Davis was a 2,000 yd rusher behind an excellent line. Shannon Sharpe - future HOFer. Smith, McCaffrey - very good WRs. The D was pretty good too. Those teams were loaded. Miami had Karim-Abdul-Jabbar and OJ McDuffie as their leading offensive 'stars' besides Dan in 1998-99.
          Last edited by boknows34; 10-24-2010, 12:51 PM.

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          • Originally posted by boknows34 View Post
            I think they are cherry picking to suit their argument whil eignoring the total picture.

            The Dolphins defensive ranking from 1984-94 in a 28 team NFL were as follows: 19th, 23rd, 26th, 26th, 26th, 24th, 7th, 25th, 10th, 20th, 19th.

            They were bottom half for 95-97.

            Are we really going to compare the Steel Curtain to that? Its like saying Walter Payton and Christian Okoye are comparible because they both led the NFL in rushing just once.

            The only thing you could possibly criticise is 1998 and 99 when they had a good young defense under Jimmy Johnson. A defense which then gave up 100 points in two playoff games.
            My thoughts exactly.
            When did a high scoring defense equal a good defense?
            They can score 2 TDs a game if they want but if they give up 40 a game- who cares?
            -Boston Red Sox-New England Patriots-Boston Celtics-

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            • Originally posted by Addict View Post
              one thing I found highly amusing is that the same guys who always say "defense wins championships" get to make a list and offensive guys outnumer the defensive guys 2 to 1.... hypocricy much?
              Perhaps. But I think that phrase applies to a team aspect. Not individual players.

              "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
              -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
              Originally posted by Borat
              Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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              • Originally posted by elway=goat View Post
                As far as Elway goes, I know he was bad in the Superbowls, and his passing numbers are nothing to write home about(even though he somehow found his way to many of the top 5-10 statistically in most major catagorys).

                However, Elway is the only player I have seen that litterally put a team on his back. A team that would not of made the playoffs without him, and he took 3 of them to the superbowl. Although they were smoked in the games, and had no right being there, on the same field as those teams they faced, especally the stacked 9ers team.. One thing You have to think about..

                Elway never played with a hall of famer, through out the 80's and up untill around 95-96(When Sharp started coming on). He never had a Pro Bowl WR, or Offensive linemen untill around 91ish. I think Bobby Humphires made a Pro Bowl in 90 or 91. Those Broncos teams were the least talented teams ever to make a Superbowl, and they made it 3 times.

                I dont see anyone, with the kind of talent on those Broncos teams, doing that. One(possibly 2, havent looked the numbers up in awhile) of the Broncos teams didnt have a thousand yard Reciever or Runningback. That should tell you something about the impact that guy had on the team. He was the heart and soul of those teams.

                The only other really memerable players from those teams, was Mecklenberg and Atwater(who should be a HOF'er).
                He well deserved the MVP in 87 and he should have about 2-3 more.
                Don't forget Dennis Smith.

                As far as Elway goes, I have a lot of respect for the man and I'm glad he won two rings.
                Last edited by Ness; 10-24-2010, 08:57 PM.

                "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                Originally posted by Borat
                Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                • Originally posted by Nalej View Post
                  My thoughts exactly.
                  When did a high scoring defense equal a good defense?
                  They can score 2 TDs a game if they want but if they give up 40 a game- who cares?
                  Scoring defense is how much they were giving up, not how much they scored. Which is more important than how many yards you are giving up.
                  bill belichick quote:
                  stats are for losers. the final score is for winners.

                  "This one's for John" Pat Bowlen

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                  • Originally posted by boknows34 View Post
                    I think they are cherry picking to suit their argument while ignoring the total picture.

                    The Dolphins defensive ranking from 1984-94 in a 28 team NFL were as follows: 19th, 23rd, 26th, 26th, 26th, 24th, 7th, 25th, 10th, 20th, 19th.

                    They were bottom half for 95-97.

                    Are we really going to compare the Steel Curtain to that? Its like saying Walter Payton and Christian Okoye are comparible because they both led the NFL in rushing just once.

                    The only thing you could possibly criticise is 1998 and 99 when they had a good young defense under Jimmy Johnson. A defense which then gave up 100 points in two playoff games.

                    And btw - I'm a big Elway fan but Marino was just better imo. Gary Zimmerman was a HOF left tackle on those Super Bowl teams. Terrell Davis was a 2,000 yd rusher behind an excellent line. Shannon Sharpe - future HOFer. Smith, McCaffrey - very good WRs. The D was pretty good too. Those teams were loaded. Miami had Karim-Abdul-Jabbar and OJ McDuffie as their leading offensive 'stars' besides Dan in 1998-99.

                    Scoring defense is more important, a team can give up 400 yards a game, but if they only allow 2 touchdowns at the end of the day thats more important.

                    Also you completely ignored is playoff incompetency. The Multie interception stat is huge.
                    bill belichick quote:
                    stats are for losers. the final score is for winners.

                    "This one's for John" Pat Bowlen

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                    • Originally posted by elway=goat View Post
                      Scoring defense is more important, a team can give up 400 yards a game, but if they only allow 2 touchdowns at the end of the day thats more important.

                      Also you completely ignored is playoff incompetency. The Multie interception stat is huge.
                      Pittsburgh's scoring D from 1972-79.
                      2nd, 8th, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 17th, 1st, 5th. (Top 2 5 times in 8 years)

                      Miami's scoring D in the Marino era.
                      1st, 7th, 12th, 26th, 16th, 24th, 22nd, 4th, 24th, 11th, 24th, 17th, 10th, 17th, 16th, 1st, 19th.

                      Now take a deeper look at when Marino was both the full-time starter and the Defense was good in scoring.

                      In 1984, Marino's first full season as a starter, the D was 7th in scoring and they advanced to the Super Bowl where they lost to the 15-1 49ers at Stanford Stadium. No disgrace there.

                      In 1990 when the D finished 4th in scoring Miami were 12-4 but Buffalo won the division at 13-3 and beat the Dolphins 44-34 in the divisional playoff. Can't really blame Dan for that one either. Those Bills teams were loaded and won the 1st of 4 straight AFCCG.

                      In 1998 Miami led the NFL in defensive scoring. However the offense was just 16th in both scoring and total yardage. The running game featuring Abdul-Jabbar and John Avery had a 3.4 ypc. The leading receivers were OJ McDuffie, Orande Gadsden and Lamar Thomas. Now compare that to Denver with Elway's weapons that season - a 2,000 yd RB, an All-Pro TE in Sharpe and two 1,000 yd WRs. Three Broncos OL also went to the Pro Bowl that year. The defense was ranked 8th in scoring and the Broncos went 14-2 on their way to the 2nd consecutive title. Denver beat Miami 38-3 in the playoffs with Davis rushing for 199 yds and 2 TDs. Marino 26-37, 243, 0-2. Elway 14-23, 182, 1-0.

                      In Denver's Super Bowl victory over Green Bay, Elway was 12-22, 129 yds, 0 TD and 1 INT for a 51.9 rating. His other SB QB ratings were 83.6 vs NYG, 36.8 vs Wash, 19.4 vs SF and 99.2 vs the huge underdog Atlanta Falcons. Marino's QB rating in SB 19 was 66.9.


                      Career postseason numbers:
                      Marino
                      18 games
                      385-687
                      56.0%
                      4,510 yds
                      32-24 TD/INT ratio
                      77.1 QB rating (5 games over 100)


                      Elway
                      22 games
                      355-651
                      54.5%
                      4,964 yds
                      27-21 TD/INT ratio
                      79.7 QB rating (5 games over 100)


                      Regular season - Marino blows Elway apart.
                      Last edited by boknows34; 10-25-2010, 02:40 AM.

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                      • For anyone to put the words 'Marino' and 'easily the most overrated sporting entity in American pro sports history' in the same sentence really needs to step back from the keyboard and re-read carefully what they just wrote, IMO.

                        It's beyond disrespectful. It's stupidity and naked arrogance by someone who's trying to make a name for himself by ripping on someone who's actually ACCOMPLISHED something in their lives.

                        Honestly, why would someone feel the need to read this person's 'analysis' of Marino's career after that initial statement??

                        Survey the guys who actually played against Marino in the '80s and '90s and try to pull out that BS statistical argument, and watch how quickly these so-called 'experts' on Marino's career are escorted to the door.

                        Marino is still the prototypical dropback NFL QB, but he's always going to be a step below the great ones who put it all together and won SBs.

                        Really I think these revisionist arguments stem from the fact that 20something 'geniuses' look at the completion percentage of a guy like Marino, compare him to the QBs of today without considering the rule changes since implemented that favor the passing game ( and higher completion rates), and assume, wrongly, that the guy simply wasn't that good.

                        I'm open to any argument about any football player and believe in very few NFL sacred cows, but it's ridiculous for anyone to call Marino overrated.
                        Not the greatest of alltime, but he was a GREAT QB and one of the best pure passers in NFL history.
                        Last edited by FUNBUNCHER; 10-25-2010, 03:13 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
                          For anyone to put the words 'Marino' and 'easily the most overrated sporting entity in American pro sports history' in the same sentence really needs to step back from the keyboard and re-read carefully what they just wrote, IMO.

                          It's beyond disrespectful. It's stupidity and naked arrogance by someone who's trying to make a name for himself by ripping on someone who's actually ACCOMPLISHED something in their lives.

                          Honestly, why would someone feel the need to read this person's 'analysis' of Marino's career after that initial statement??

                          Survey the guys who actually played against Marino in the '80s and '90s and try to pull out that BS statistical argument, and watch how quickly these so-called 'experts' on Marino's career are escorted to the door.

                          Marino is still the prototypical dropback NFL QB, but he's always going to be a step below the great ones who put it all together and won SBs.

                          Really I think these revisionist arguments stem from the fact that 20something 'geniuses' look at the completion percentage of a guy like Marino, compare him to the QBs of today without considering the rule changes since implemented that favor the passing game ( and higher completion rates), and assume, wrongly, that the guys simply wasn't that good.

                          I'm open to any argument about any football player and believe in very few NFL sacred cows, but it's ridiculous for anyone to call Marino overrated.
                          Not the greatest of alltime, but he was a GREAT QB and one of the best pure passers in NFL history.
                          Rod Woodson was adamant the other day about Tom Brady being ranked higher than Elway and Marino. He said something to the effects of:

                          "I played against all three of them! And I'll tell you that Brady is not better than Marino and Elway!"

                          "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                          -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                          Originally posted by Borat
                          Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                          • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                            Rod Woodson was adamant the other day about Tom Brady being ranked higher than Elway and Marino. He said something to the effects of:

                            "I played against all three of them! And I'll tell you that Brady is not better than Marino and Elway!"
                            Here's the video link to that quote.

                            http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...21-of-all-time

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                            • Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
                              For anyone to put the words 'Marino' and 'easily the most overrated sporting entity in American pro sports history' in the same sentence really needs to step back from the keyboard and re-read carefully what they just wrote, IMO.

                              It's beyond disrespectful. It's stupidity and naked arrogance by someone who's trying to make a name for himself by ripping on someone who's actually ACCOMPLISHED something in their lives.

                              Honestly, why would someone feel the need to read this person's 'analysis' of Marino's career after that initial statement??

                              Survey the guys who actually played against Marino in the '80s and '90s and try to pull out that BS statistical argument, and watch how quickly these so-called 'experts' on Marino's career are escorted to the door.

                              Marino is still the prototypical dropback NFL QB, but he's always going to be a step below the great ones who put it all together and won SBs.

                              Really I think these revisionist arguments stem from the fact that 20something 'geniuses' look at the completion percentage of a guy like Marino, compare him to the QBs of today without considering the rule changes since implemented that favor the passing game ( and higher completion rates), and assume, wrongly, that the guy simply wasn't that good.

                              I'm open to any argument about any football player and believe in very few NFL sacred cows, but it's ridiculous for anyone to call Marino overrated.
                              Not the greatest of alltime, but he was a GREAT QB and one of the best pure passers in NFL history.
                              Same could be said for old people that hold players from the 40s,50s,60s, and 70s on a pedestal. They can't face the fact that the modern day players are better than the people that played in black and white.

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                              • Barry Sanders #17

                                http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...-Barry-Sanders

                                Check out that highlight reel of runs. Should have been Top 10.

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