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    Vikings play tonight at the Sanchezes, if they lose, they drop to 1-3.
    As we all know, the Saints, Cowboys, and Packers all lost yesterday, with Dallas losing at home, Green Bay giving another game away, and the Saints losing at Max Hall.

    The Saints offense obviously isn't the same without Reggie Bush. People loved to hate on that guy for some reason, but he is a weapon and nightmare matchup problem for defenses, regardless of how many yards rushing he gets.

    And Pierre Thomas is missed too.

    The Packers have had more injuries than anyone I can ever remember thru 5 games. It was bad coming into yesterday, then in the first drive of the game for us, Jermichael Finley goes down because our backup TE fumbled. Then on their first drive, our DL Pickett went down. Then Donald Lee somehow hurt his shoulder celebrating his TD and didn't return. The finish had our safety and special team ace Derrick Martin getting hurt, and then Rodgers got a helmet-to-helmet hit that resulted in an apparent concussion.

    But the Pack and Saints are currently at 3-2.
    Dallas is at 1-3 and at the Vikings next week, who will either be 1-3 or 2-2 depending on tonight's game at the Jets.

    Which team is in the most trouble the rest of the year?
    These were the consensus 4 favorites coming into the year. I saw very few picks of anyone other than these 4 teams for the NFC.
    It's still early and I expect a couple of them to still rise to the top in the NFC.
    But which ones?

    What an ugly cluster**** it is in the NFC.

  • #2
    Dal is no more the big 4.

    Atlanta has to be up there now with a favorable schedule now.


    Chicago I'm not buying into, but still their schedule doesn't look that bad. They split with Vikings and GB, lose to NE. Win against Lions, Bills, and Seahawks. After that its a toss up.

    NY Giants are coming back in a big way. They always have odd slumps of either winning big, or losing big. Every year Tom Coughlin is "apparently on the hot seat" and some how he gets his team to play great for a stretch. I think the next few weeks they play great. Then week 10 against the Cowboys they go back to being up and down.

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    • #3
      Same old song and dance. Every year a handful of teams (usually the same ones) get hyped up in the offseason and they almost always disappoint. It's always the same people that fall for it hook line and sinker as well.

      This league is a league of parity and playoff turnover. It's borderline insane how people always think "this is the year that's gonna break the trend" - see NFC South history and trends.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by etk View Post
        Same old song and dance. Every year a handful of teams (usually the same ones) get hyped up in the offseason and they almost always disappoint. It's always the same people that fall for it hook line and sinker as well.
        Really? So you had someone other than those 4 teams in your NFC Championship prediction? Chicago and Atlanta right?

        I could see Atlanta taking the NFCS from NO as that division always changes from year to year, and Atlanta played them tough both games last year, plus the Super Bowl hangover.

        But I didn't see anyone in here, or any national publication picking Atlanta or Chicago to even make the NFCCG.

        I did see a lot of picks of San Fran to win their division (my hand is up), and they are one of 3 current teams without a win.

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        • #5
          Pierre Thomas is missed way more than Reggie Bush

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          • #6
            I saw the Pack game, Skins fan here(!!), and how the heck does Finley get hurt attempting to make a tackle?? That's dairy queen soft.

            GB IMO just didn't seem to be that physically tough of a football team.

            That said, I'm glad GB had all those injuries because if they were healthy, we probably lose that game by 3 TDs.

            Dallas' problem is the HC and the culture of entitlement on that team; those guys think they're SB champions before the season even starts.

            NO needs their RBs healthy and Reggie Bush forces opposing teams to account for him, why I know not.

            If Favre doesn't get pinched by Goodell for sending pics of his grandpa dingaling to 20something reporters, the Vikes are gonna beast with Moss added to their offense.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BuddyCHRIST View Post
              Pierre Thomas is missed way more than Reggie Bush
              I love PT, but I'm not so sure about that statement there. Bush is a nightmare matchup, a lethal pass receiver as well as electric return man, and dangerous runner if there's a crease.

              PT is good, but has nothing special other than he runs hard. There are a lot of guys who run hard in this league but not many Bush's.

              But the main point is they are missing both guys. I'd LOVE to see the Vikings without their top 2 RBs for an extended length of time, like the Saints, and Packers without Grant for the whole season are dealing with.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
                I love PT, but I'm not so sure about that statement there. Bush is a nightmare matchup, a lethal pass receiver as well as electric return man, and dangerous runner if there's a crease.

                PT is good, but has nothing special other than he runs hard. There are a lot of guys who run hard in this league but not many Bush's.

                But the main point is they are missing both guys. I'd LOVE to see the Vikings without their top 2 RBs for an extended length of time, like the Saints, and Packers without Grant for the whole season are dealing with.
                well the difference is that the Vikings depend on their running backs much more than GB and NO did to begin with.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
                  Really? So you had someone other than those 4 teams in your NFC Championship prediction? Chicago and Atlanta right?

                  I could see Atlanta taking the NFCS from NO as that division always changes from year to year, and Atlanta played them tough both games last year, plus the Super Bowl hangover.

                  But I didn't see anyone in here, or any national publication picking Atlanta or Chicago to even make the NFCCG.

                  I did see a lot of picks of San Fran to win their division (my hand is up), and they are one of 3 current teams without a win.
                  I didn't have either Chicago or Washington in my playoff predictions (I chickened out on giving them wildcard spots in my Truths thread, but said they'd definitely be fighting for the playoffs), and I said that they were both teams to watch out for in a major way this year and had both of them at second in their divisions.

                  Washington's a team that lost a LOT of close games last year. They're in the same situation this year, except they have a legit head coach and QB. So they're winning ugly instead of losing ugly.

                  Also, a healthy Urlacher and Briggs plus the addition of Peppers was exactly what the Bears needed, and they became an elite defense again like I thought they would. Jury is still out on how well the Cutler/Martz marriage will turn out.

                  Minny and Dallas were horribly overrated coming into this season. Minny's got a chance to bounce back with the Moss trade. I think they blow the doors off the Jets tonight.

                  Then again, I had SF as the 3 seed and Carolina as a wildcard. So what do I know.

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                  • #10
                    SF and Carolina are the reason I HATE projecting what teams are going to do year to year.


                    Poor coach Singletary is a gonna get fired for that debacle by the Bay!!!
                    Last edited by FUNBUNCHER; 10-11-2010, 12:34 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Addict View Post
                      well the difference is that the Vikings depend on their running backs much more than GB and NO did to begin with.
                      That is true, although with Ryan Grant, he did have over 1200 yards rushing each of the past 2 seasons, and defenses had some respect for him and the running game.

                      Not now.

                      Enter Marshawn Lynch.... wait a minute.
                      Okay, enter DeAngelo Williams from the 0-5 Panthers.... umm. Doesn't that make too much sense?

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                      • #12
                        Dallas is a team with great talent coached by amateurs. Excessive celebration penalty? Followed by giving up a 93-yd KO return? That has piss poor coaching written all over it. Wade Phillips & STs coach DeCamilis are as good as gone.

                        Alex Smith & Singletary need to go away for the 9ers to be competitive. They can't win even when it's given to them, they haven't learned how to win yet, & Smith's too many effups & poor decision making limit their chances to win.

                        Somehow the return of Randy Moss to Minnesota + the Favre Factor doesn't seem like the winning combo, they put all thier eggs in the Favre basket & he's going to turn 42 this season on a bad ankle coming from summer surgery, now adding another player at the end of his career will elevate their offense? IDTS over the long haul until January.

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                        • #13
                          Even healthy GB hasnt looked very impressive. But I guess all that pre season hype still has people believing. And Dallas, is well Dallas. Same old story for the last few years. Vikes, have a tough schedule and Farve looks like hes dying. Idk whats wrong with the Saints. Brees doesnt look the same.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                            Dallas is a team with great talent coached by amateurs. Excessive celebration penalty? Followed by giving up a 93-yd KO return? That has piss poor coaching written all over it. Wade Phillips & STs coach DeCamilis are as good as gone.

                            Alex Smith & Singletary need to go away for the 9ers to be competitive. They can't win even when it's given to them, they haven't learned how to win yet, & Smith's too many effups & poor decision making limit their chances to win.

                            Somehow the return of Randy Moss to Minnesota + the Favre Factor doesn't seem like the winning combo, they put all thier eggs in the Favre basket & he's going to turn 42 this season on a bad ankle coming from summer surgery, now adding another player at the end of his career will elevate their offense? IDTS over the long haul until January.
                            Is it really, though? I never understood the Dallas hype. Other than Ware, I don't see a ton of top-end talent on that team. Sure, Romo and the receivers are a nice group, but half the league has a talented quarterback and receivers. The o-line is crappy, the runningbacks are crappy, the d-line is crappy outside of Ratliff, and the secondary is old and crappy. The coaching staff absolutely deserves a ton of heat, but that wasn't an overly talented team to begin with.

                            Just because they beat a reeling Eagles team for their first playoff win in 4905785498 years doesn't mean that they would automatically build off of that and progress. The shellacking Minnesota gave them was a much better indicator of the talent level of that team.

                            Then there's the fact that this team in recent years has done better when they've been under the radar as opposed to having SB expectations.

                            Add it all up and it was bound to be a disappointing season in Dallas.
                            Last edited by yourfavestoner; 10-11-2010, 12:16 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
                              Dal is no more the big 4.

                              Atlanta has to be up there now with a favorable schedule now.


                              Chicago I'm not buying into, but still their schedule doesn't look that bad. They split with Vikings and GB, lose to NE. Win against Lions, Bills, and Seahawks. After that its a toss up.

                              NY Giants are coming back in a big way. They always have odd slumps of either winning big, or losing big. Every year Tom Coughlin is "apparently on the hot seat" and some how he gets his team to play great for a stretch. I think the next few weeks they play great. Then week 10 against the Cowboys they go back to being up and down.


                              Damn straight we are! We took a year off due to hiring Bill Sheridan! We fixed that problem, and now our players and adjusting well to a new scheme. We will only get better now. Plus so far, our prior injured players are back. We actually have safeties now. No more CC Brown!

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