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  • #16
    Originally posted by nepg View Post
    They won't give up on McDaniels so quickly. I think when they drafted Tebow, they committed to McDaniels for at least another year or two. They've had a down year, but they don't have the defense they had last year. That's really hindered the overall progress of the team.
    His own damn fault for not doing anything about it AND just letting Mike Nolan walk out of there.


    Originally posted by Scott Wright
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    • #17
      Originally posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) View Post
      His own damn fault for not doing anything about it AND just letting Mike Nolan walk out of there.
      Not sure if he had much choice in Nolan leaving, but there wasn't anything he could do about Dumervil getting hurt.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by nepg View Post
        Not sure if he had much choice in Nolan leaving, but there wasn't anything he could do about Dumervil getting hurt.
        Dumervil being hurt is one thing, but quite frankly, if one player being out hurts our defense THAT much.... well that falls on him, too.


        Originally posted by Scott Wright
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
          The Jags already blew it up once, they just need a new QB and more talent on D. And the Bears need to get an OL. They're not incredibly deep and are really dependent on a few players, but if they had a dependable OL they'd be annual playoff contenders.
          Ya, I don't see how they can blow it up when they're still in the process of blowing it up. They'll likely continue to release/let walk the aging vets they have left on the team (Mathis & Meester immediately come to mind).

          They'll add a QBOTF this offseason and try to add pieces to the woeful secondary. The fact that they're in first right now speaks to how promising the young talent on the team is. Their starters over 30 are Garrard, Mathis, Meester, and Kampman and all but Kampman will be replaced at some point next year.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by nepg View Post
            Not sure if he had much choice in Nolan leaving, but there wasn't anything he could do about Dumervil getting hurt.
            Fair enough re: Dumervil. That we had only one decent pass rusher is an error for which responsibility should be shared by Shanahan and McD.

            As for Nolan, it was the dynamics between him and McD that led to him leaving. So now McD is surrounded by weak / inexperience coaches. This same idea extends to the FO, where Xanders ousted the Goodmans. Pretty much anyone with real experience is gone, leaving the kids to make decisions. I'd be much more comfortable with McD if he was guided by a veteran GM and had solid veterans at the OC and DC spots.

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            • #21
              Cowboys - Build up. Talented team that just needs better coaching and an improved running game.

              Broncos - blow up the defense. It's old and has been getting wrecked this year.

              49ers - build up. They're a good coaching staff away, in my opinion.

              Vikings - blow up. Very old team that needs to get younger and needs a franchise QB. Remains to be seen whether Frazier is the man for the job.

              Cardinals - build up. Need a pass-rush and franchise quarterback. They get that, and they're killing their division.
              Bengals - blow up. Bring in a new quarterback and coaching staff. Defense needs work too.

              Bills - blow up the defense, build the offense.

              Panthers - somewhere in between build up and blow up. Need some improvements along the offensive line, need a QB and a new head coach.

              Lions - build up. Franchise quarterback is already on the roster, barring another injury. Improve the secondary and running game and this is a dangerous team
              Browns - build up.
              Last edited by NotRickJames; 11-26-2010, 04:28 PM.
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              • #22
                Look back at the 2009 NFL Draft. McDaniels was sitting there with the #11 pick, knowing he needed to draft a pass rusher (because he selected Ayers later on with another first round pick) - but instead he blows a high pick on a skill position by selecting Knowshon Moreno.

                A smart GM would have spent the #11 pick on the consensus top pass rushing defensive lineman (Orakpo) and then used the second first round pick on a running back, if need be.

                If he had done that, they wouldn't be in this situation with the injury to Dumervil because, most likely, Orakpo would have been able to pick up the slack better than Ayers has.

                And of course, if he hadn't traded away Peyton Hillis for chump change, he might actually have a running game to complement Orton.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by King Carls 5 Year Plan View Post
                  Cowboys - Build up. I say this knowing Jerry would never blow it up anyway. He'll add pieces until it kind of works again.
                  Broncos - Build up. They have alot of young pieces on the team. No one knows if they are worth a darn yet. Sucks for McDaniels cause if it does work, he won't be there to find out.
                  49ers - Blow up. They have tried and tried and haven't been able to put the right parts together. They are more than a QB away from competing and to much of the team will be to old to help when they are competing. Keep the OLIne, everyone else is expendable.
                  Vikings - Blow up. I know it won't happen, but it needs to be done. They are nowhere near a SB contender with or w/o Favre. To many key positions are aging quickly. How much longer do they believe their window of opportunity will stay open?
                  Cardinals - Blow up. I guess I say blow up, but I don't know that there is much there to blow up. Trade FitzZzZ to the Chiefs.... then what? Is Docket signed long term?
                  Bengals - Blow up. Start with the ownership, then go to the management, then go to the coaching and finish on the roster. Complete overhaul needed. They have some very good talent in spots, but none of them will succeed in Cincy. Get value for them now.
                  Panthers - Build up. Kinda hard to blow up something that isn't there. DeAngelo leaves in FA. Steve Smith is getting really old. They have a young QB to try and build with.
                  Lions - Build up. Stafford has enough talent in his right arm to make this team a winner. He just needs to stay healthy and get it done. I'm not ready to give up him yet, but 1 more season w/o 15+ starts and i'm writing him off.
                  Browns - Build up. They are playing good ball and winning some games. They have the right idea of running with Hillis and playing defense. That will get them farther in their division than throwing the ball 50 times. I don't get to see enough of them to say that McCoy is the QB of the future, but adding a QB doesn't require blowing it up.
                  Holy ****, somebody that actually watches football.

                  For the Panthers to 'blow up' their team they'd have to trade or release a ton of young players. This is a very young team that's missing a few components; namely a DT that can push the pocket and an O-line that can block (though there are several nice pieces on it, should Otah ever decide he wants to stop eating cheetos and start playing football again).

                  This isn't a veteran laden team that's playing poorly. This is a young, talented team that's shockingly coached.

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                  • #24
                    I do believe that McDaniels was ill prepared for that first draft but I thought this last draft was great. The OL has pieces that if healthy and given time to grow together could become elite, they added a potential #1 WR with great character and work ethic and they added a QB who, while polarizing, has massive potential, great work ethic and character. They've blown up that offense and created a new culture in the lockerroom that will help them get the most out of young players now and in the future.

                    Now the D still needs a lot of work as they're built around a number of aging vets, but there's some pieces to work with in place, ayers and doom, and those vets will help teach young players they bring, especially since I see them going almost all D this year.

                    As for Moreno, I liked him as a prospect although I didn't like him that high and he looked awful his first year but the few times I've seen the broncos this year Moreno's looked pretty good out there and he is a very versatile and intelligent back if he can become as effective as he was in the SEC. Intelligence is another thing they've done to boost their locker room, they've gotten hard working, high character guys and they've gotten a lot of smart guys...and tebow...

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                    JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
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                    Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
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                    Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Rosebud View Post

                      Now the D still needs a lot of work as they're built around a number of aging vets, but there's some pieces to work with in place and those vets will help teach young players they bring, especially since I see them going almost all D this year.
                      The Alphonso Smith move in 2009 killed McDaniels. It was one of the stupidest things he could do for the future health of his franchise: trading a first round pick in 2010 for a second round pick in 2009, all for a player who has been let go after a single year.

                      If he had kept that pick in 2010, he would have had the #14 pick, which the Seahawks used to select Earl Thomas. You don't think McDaniels could have used a player like Earl Thomas in his secondary?

                      As for Moreno, I liked him as a prospect although I didn't like him that high and he looked awful his first year but the few times I've seen the broncos this year Moreno's looked pretty good out there and he is a very versatile and intelligent back. Intelligence is another thing they've done to boost their locker room, they've gotten hard working, high character guys and they've gotten a lot of smart guys...and tebow...
                      Regardless of how good of a player Moreno eventually turns out to be - you simply don't draft a running back that high when talented defensive line prospects are #1) needed on your team and #2) readily available (Orakpo). The fact that he had a second first round pick that year makes it even worse because he could have easily waited for Moreno to drop to his lower pick, or could have settled on any number of decents backs in the draft that year like McCoy or Brown, or whatever.

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                      • #26
                        The Panthers defense is fine every where except DT when healthy, the running game is fine when there's at least an inkling of passing, they don't need to be blown up, they need a legitimate quarterback of the future and an additional receiving threat. Other than that the team is pretty solid top to bottom.

                        Injuries and a severe lack of depth who're out of puberty hurt coupled with a coaching staff who simply doesn't give a **** hurts.

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                        • #27
                          Ya, I don't know why people are hating on McDaniels for his drafting. Sure, he drafted Tebow... Other than that, it was a great draft (and if he can do what he thinks he can with Tebow, the whole thing was really good).

                          He built up the OL, got a high-ceiling WR who he's brought along pretty well, and got a really nice CB in the middle rounds.

                          He does what New England does. He goes out and gets the guys he wants and doesn't play the "value" game (most draftniks seem to really not get this concept at all which is frustrating). Maybe he missed on some guys, but McDaniels is a coach who is famous for figuring **** out. We saw that in New England when he initially struggled as a playcaller before becoming the best in the NFL, and we saw a bit of it this past draft.

                          People harp on the Alphonso Smith thing too much. The guy was highly thought-of around here, and he didn't work out for Denver. Before Thanksgiving, he was having a pretty good year for Detroit.

                          Yeah, the defense needs work, but so did the offense. The defense, with Dumervil, should have had enough playmakers to get away with getting the offense built right. It was a gamble, and it didn't work out.

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                          • #28
                            People harp on the Alphonso Smith thing because it wasn't just a bust of a pick. He traded a 2010 first rounder, a pick that ended up being 14th overall, for Smith. And the Moreno pick was pretty awful as well - only freakish RBs should be considered that high...

                            I just can't see any way to defend McD at this point.

                            Cutler/Marshall hosted the AFC Championship game... as soon as McD gets there that foundation breaks down... OK fine. Move on, poor drafting, the Hillis trade... etc. Ugh.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by gpngc View Post
                              People harp on the Alphonso Smith thing because it wasn't just a bust of a pick. He traded a 2010 first rounder, a pick that ended up being 14th overall, for Smith. And the Moreno pick was pretty awful as well - only freakish RBs should be considered that high...

                              I just can't see any way to defend McD at this point.

                              Cutler/Marshall hosted the AFC Championship game... as soon as McD gets there that foundation breaks down... OK fine. Move on, poor drafting, the Hillis trade... etc. Ugh.
                              AFCCG was the year before we got Jay and Brandon(and Doom and Scheff). Defense never held up enough to get Cutler to the playoffs.

                              And good 2010 draft(debateable, it's less than a season in), does not make up for taking a massive step backwards in 2 seasons. Two years ago, the Broncos were a bright young team with stars at key offensive positions, another emerging WR in Eddie Royal, but yes the defense was awful.

                              Today, we have Clady on offense and that's it. Defense is still in shambles minus Dumervil. That is NOT progress. This team has ZERO direction, and he needs to go. Another failed Billy disciple who people hyped up because he worked for a great coach, but a great coach he is not.


                              Originally posted by Scott Wright
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                              Originally posted by njx9
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                              • #30
                                Well, quite honestly, I'm a fan of McDaniels but felt he was a poor choice for the Broncos. They had a good offense with a great, young, future HC playcaller in Jeremy Bates. They should have hired Spag or Schwartz to fix the defense.

                                But since they did go with McDaniels, you have to let him do what he was going to do. Completely rebuild the offense, then move on to the defense. It's not McDaniels' fault, it's the front office for making the wrong choice. Pointless to go back on that now that he's got the offense the way he wants it and can focus on the defense now.

                                If they make a coaching change now, there's no one that can operate the offense he runs, and the defense is a work-in-progress. So whoever came in would have to rebuild the offense again and still have issues on defense. With McDaniels, they just need to work on the defense, and they'll be set.

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