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  • Is Wes Welker the Most Overrated Player in the NFL?

    So, I read an article listing the ten most overrated players in the NFL. At the top of that list is Wes Welker. I this true? I think that Welker is a terrific slot receiver, but by no means a #1 wideout. Also, I don't think that Davone Bess or another NFL slot receiver could do the same thing as Welker has over the last five seasons. I could pretty easily mention quite a lot of players in the NFL that I feel is more overrated than Welker. But I wanted to see what NFLDC had to say about this. So.... Discuss!

    Originally posted by ElectricEye
    I'm a whiny little kunt. Feel sorry for me as I go masturbate to a picture of my mom dressed as a teletubby.

  • #2
    Article loses all of its credibility for refusing to name Michael Vick and going by dog-killer.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Job Reborn View Post
      Article loses all of its credibility for refusing to name Michael Vick and going by dog-killer.
      Well, he is completely correct in saying that Michael Vick is overrated though. The fact that he has signed TWO $100 million contracts despite only playing 16 games once, never having back-to-back winning seasons, and being an asshole is outrageous. After last season, some people were putting Vick in the top-five of QBs and almost everybody listed him as a top-ten QB. Personally, I would put him more in the 13-15 range.

      He is also pretty right on about DeSean Jackson (injury prone, one-trick pony). I think he should have listed Troy Polamalu, who misses a lot of tackle and is so poor in coverage that he often looks like he is covering dirt (and the dirt often beats him). I disagree about Brandon Marshall. He has five straight 1000 yard seasons, despite playing with Chad Henne and Matt Moore at QB.

      About Welker, I do think he is overrated. I think he is in the perfect situation in New England. But if he was ever asked to be a number one receiver on a team, he would be average at best. Welker is great at what he does. But if I'm picking receivers to start a team, there would be a bunch of guys I would choose before Welker.

      Originally posted by SolidGold
      Bortlezzzzzzz
      Originally posted by Monomach
      Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin.  One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one.  Awesome.  Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks. 

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      • #4
        I'm so sick of the system argument when it comes to Wes Welker. What's so wrong about finding a guy that fits your system and him mastering it?

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        • #5
          Randy Moss? Did he even play this year?

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          • #6
            This article is horrible, and unprofessional. It seems like it is simply a list of people he hates, and I fail to see how anyone could take anything he says seriously.

            Hell, his basis for putting Vick on there is that "He's not much of a runner anymore." Seriously? VICK RUNS TOO MUCH! VICK DOESN'T RUN ENOUGHZZZ!

            Never mind the fact he averaged a full YPC more than last year.

            He calls out Brandon Marshall's inability to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES. As a wide receiver.

            Who actually thinks that Turner is an elite back anymore? Who actually thinks Blount ever was? Then, his reference for backing up his claim that Welker is overrated, is a quote from a forum mod of his. Excuse me for not actually giving a **** what the moderator of your forum thinks.

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            • #7
              I hate the whole "Welker's only a slot WR" argument. At the end of the day he played the most snaps at WR for the Patriots. Slot WR is a vital part of NFL offenses now. Many so called #1 WRs couldn't do what Wes Welker does because it is a completely different skill set. Wes Welker isn't going to line up outside the numbers and run fade routes because that doesn't suit him. In the same way that Calvin Johnson isn't going to line up in the slot and run whips and drags.

              Playing in the slot and being successful requires a completely different skill set than lining up outside. Slot WRs don't necessarily have to beat CB coverage as much but they need to utilise the space they are afforded in the middle of the field. It requires much more cognitive thinking pre and post snap.

              A WR will normally only have to worry about the way the CB and maybe the safety to his side are playing. Does the CB squat in short zone, is the safety rolling his way, is it man coverage, is it cover 3 etc. The slot WR will have to worry about nickel CBs, LB zones, safeties coming down, defensive linemen in zone blitz schemes etc.

              Particularly for the Patriots, Welker needs to run more option routes and be on the same page as Tom Brady.

              Is Welker physically on the same level as Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss? No but the position he plays requires him to be less of a physical freak and more of a thinker. Playing slot WR is completely different than being split out wide.

              Demarcus Ware is a great OLB but I'm pretty sure he would suck at CB


              BoneKrusher killing it with the sig

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Splat View Post
                I'm so sick of the system argument when it comes to Wes Welker. What's so wrong about finding a guy that fits your system and him mastering it?
                Nothing is wrong with that, and I wouldn't say Welker is any less valuable to the Patriots than most top receivers are to their teams, but I certainly would pick many of them over Welker if I were starting a team from scratch. In that regard, I'd tend to agree that Welker is overrated. Put Calvin Johnson in any other scheme and he'll be excellent. Put Welker in any other scheme and he might just be good.

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                • #9
                  You can make an argument that the slot WR is the most important piece to a passing offense nowadays.

                  In the 90s the TE emerged as a threat to beat Cover 2, which was dominating the NFL at the time.

                  Now that defenses have caught up (in theory) to those TEs, the slot WR who runs that choice route is the new mismatch of sorts. Not really a "new" mismatch, but a rediscovered mismatch.

                  If he's running a choice, he should beat any coverage you throw at him underneath as long as he diagnosises it accurately.

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                  • #10
                    I hate when someone "smart and crafty" uses that to their advantage. I would prefer an average player in all systems than the guy who decided to be great in my system.

                    I think it's down right stupid for anyone to show appreciation for a player making the most of the opportunity he was given. In fact, if I was Wes Welker, I would demand a trade to prove myself outside of that New England system and to get away from a future hall of fame candidate in Tom Brady.

                    It really makes you wonder what Bill Belichick was even thinking when he signed this guy. Once again, he aimlessly threw a dart at a board and got lucky. He probably had no idea what Welker could do and how he was going to use him in his system. Bill is just fortunate it all worked out, because it was a pretty stupid move to trade a 2nd and 7th round pick for such an overrated ball-dropping machine like Wes.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Job Reborn View Post
                      Article loses all of its credibility for refusing to name Michael Vick and going by dog-killer.
                      Yeah, I can't really argue that. Whether it's "Dog Killer," "Rapelisberger" or the ever-so-clever "Belicheat," I immediately dismiss the author as a juvenile jackass and disregard anything that follows. In the first few months it's at least relevant, but a few years later it's the work of a petty and small mind.




                      Overrated / Underated discussions are pointless because they're too ambiguous.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FlyingElvis View Post
                        Overrated / Underated discussions are pointless because they're too ambiguous.
                        Too bad you feel that way. I was thinking that I'd put together an All Underrated and an All Overrated team and start some threads on those just to get the mayhem started. I hate when the season stops and activity falls in the forums. I probably should save that for after the draft though...
                        Last edited by Razor; 02-21-2012, 11:37 AM.

                        Originally posted by ElectricEye
                        I'm a whiny little kunt. Feel sorry for me as I go masturbate to a picture of my mom dressed as a teletubby.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Razor View Post
                          Too bad you feel that way. I was thinking that I'd put together an All Underrated and an All Overrated team and start some threads on those just to get the mayhem started. I hate when the season stops and activity falls in the forums. I probably should save that for after the draft though...
                          Please, feel free. I'm sure when it slows down in here I'll need something to crap on.


                          ;)

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                          • #14
                            I don't think so! He is a damn good wr who is very productive. I think he is rated fine. I don't see an issue with Welker.

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                            • #15
                              Welker isn't in anyone's top 5 WRs.

                              Welker isn't spoken of in terms of being a do-it-all threat.

                              Welker is a guy who has a niche and excels at it.

                              No one is overrating him that I've seen. He's just damn good at his job.
                              My sig pic has now come full circle. Lucky me.

                              No offense, but your Raiders draft sucks.

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