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  • #46
    NFC east has some nice safteys dowos

    Roy and Ken hamlin

    Taylor and Landry

    B-dawk and Considine -still needs to get better

    Will Demps and Gibril Wilson - these two not that good but Demps is pretty decent

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    • #47
      Originally posted by dc4life View Post
      Do they really have a choice? Don't they have to put Taylor at FS since everyone really knows that Landry is really more of a SS. Look at his highlights, youtube or whatever. The majority of his plays are blitzing the Qb, or making plays near the line of scrimmage.

      As for Taylor, he prefers to play closer to the line as well. This is why all the draft experts and a number of fans were upset with the pick of Landry. Its like having two starting strong safeties on your team. They didnt improve their D line as well. Taylor is the FS by default. Don't let Landry's 4.35s speed straight-line-forty convince you that he has the quickness of a ballhawk. If they wanted a true ballhawk centerfielder they would have traded down and gotten Reggie Nelson or Meriweather.

      Two teams I know for sure, were targeting Meriweather at the draft. The Patriots (the team who got him) and the Eagles (the other team who wanted him).

      Taylor isn't a horrible coverage guy, but he did get burned a NUMBER of times last year. Their whole D sucked ass.
      i never let speed fool me as to where a player belongs.reading scouting reports, hes compared to Dawkins..hes a hard hitter, plays run but very good in pass D. i think they would of at least let Landry play FS if they thought Taylor was bad..give Landry at chance and maybe help Sean but thats not the case.

      Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams confirmed that Sean Taylor will play free safety with LaRon Landry on the strong side.
      Williams likes that he'll be able to play Taylor in space more now after sticking him "in the box" to support the run most of last season. Landry will play closer to the line of scrimmage and make more tackles. In 2007, the Redskins are expected to play more Cover 1 and less Tampa 2.
      so last year Taylor was basically near the line to help out but that didnt work out

      their whole D sucked..no pass rush..struggled verse run.

      Sean Taylor did give up a lot of TDs but its not always his fault..heres a comparsion: Samari Rolle tooka lot of criticism last season for letting up big plays..reality though, it was Reed's responbilities ..he was either late to the ball or out of position. Football isnt just.."the closest guy to you is yours" like Seymour said..as a fan you can watch all u and say look at his stats and what not but u dont understand the responibilties of players. Some are asked to do different things than you might think and then you wonder why he didnt do this or that.


      Taylor is not as bad in coverage as the 8 TDs might lead you to believe. Hes fast..he knows what to do but hes undiciplined at times, overagressive.

      like Reed..he gets caught of position sometimes and when u dont have a very good D around you..it makes u look very bad. if Reed played on Skins..i can gurantee his aggresive play will stand out as he gets beat a few times. im a fan of both players..my favorite safeties, both of them but both are overaggresive sometimes and undiciplined because they look for the big play.

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      • #48
        I love these sean taylor arguments. :p

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        • #49
          Originally posted by JoeMontainya View Post
          You guys can say whatever you want about him. But where Im from actions speak louder than words. I gave an actual stat that shows his actions, and as of now Im right until someone shows me why his 8 TD's given up make him good in coverage? #1 WR's? Im pretty sure not a single safety last year was asked to match up man on man with a #1 WR, maybe help situations, but dont even give me that bull.

          And I love how most of you guys who more than likely are under 21, allways bash the exsperts because your opinion is different. Well I gave a stat that goes beyond opinion, Taylor was responsible for 8 pass TD's.
          Well where I'm from, we don't take too kindly to your kind not paying attention to the game and just looking at stats.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
            He had one pretty good year. Yes, production--as in proving he can do it more than once. If he had come out and played on the level of Ed Reed then it would be one thing, but he didn't. People are putting him up there because "that was his rookie year, imagine how much better he can be next year!"

            Yes, and Napoleon Harris was very good in his rookie year as well, leading the way for the #2 overall run defense and racking up some nice production in the process. But guess what, 4 years later no one in their right minds would consider him anywhere near top 10 in MLBs or OLBs.

            To take you back a couple years, people thought Michael Boulware was the next big thing after his rookie year. I guess they had something else coming, eh?

            People get all excited about this young player or that young player on the verge of a "breakout year" but so often that year keeps getting pushed back. Let's wait until he actually proves he can do it consistently. Until then he's just as likely to be the next flash in the pan.
            Nip you are quite the cynic. What SS's do you rank top 5 without Dawan Landry in it? Polamalu, Wilson, and Hope are generally agreed upon. Mike Brown? He can't stay healthy. If you honestly rank your top 5 SS's who would you put over Landry? Sean Jones is a possibility, but he could be a flash in the pan too, who knows. The bottom line is you can't discriminate against a player just because they are young.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by JoeMontainya View Post
              You guys can say whatever you want about him. But where Im from actions speak louder than words. I gave an actual stat that shows his actions, and as of now Im right until someone shows me why his 8 TD's given up make him good in coverage? #1 WR's? Im pretty sure not a single safety last year was asked to match up man on man with a #1 WR, maybe help situations, but dont even give me that bull.
              That is probably one of the worst choices of cliches I've seen in a while. "Actions speak louder than words" absolutely does not fit into the context that you tried to bring it into, yet you did the very best you could to cram it in there in the opening that just wouldn't fit.

              Oldie but a goodie.

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              • #52
                Taylor missed so many tackles last year and his worst missing tackle game was agianst the Rams, he gave up 2 tds and a overtime TD by misssing tackles, and his coverge just sucks

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
                  That is probably one of the worst choices of cliches I've seen in a while. "Actions speak louder than words" absolutely does not fit into the context that you tried to bring it into, yet you did the very best you could to cram it in there in the opening that just wouldn't fit.
                  Mmmmm Kayy Mr. Mackey. What is it that you cant understand? When a player gives up that many TD's Mmmm kay, it means he cant cover the person he is supposed to Mmmm Kay. Either way you cut it, the REAL top 5 safeties in the league are worlds better in coverage than this overrated cancer mmmm kay?

                  Is he a good talent? Of course. Is he top 5 and maybe even top 10? No, that honer goes to the people that dont allow TD's, because afterall that is the whole goal of a deffense, not solo tackles etc....

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by cunningham06 View Post
                    Well where I'm from, we don't take too kindly to your kind not paying attention to the game and just looking at stats.
                    What is it about a player giving up many TD's that you seem to not care about? The job of a deffender is to keep the other side from crossing the goal line, and Taylor is one of the worste at it.

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                    • #55
                      im assuming anybody that as listed bob sanders as a fs has never actually seen the guy play?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by 7-11 View Post
                        im assuming anybody that as listed bob sanders as a fs has never actually seen the guy play?
                        Well, he DOES sit on the bench all the time. ;)

                        "He's the leader of the next great class of NFL players." - John Elway on Matt Ryan

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by d34ng3l021 View Post
                          Well, he DOES sit on the bench all the time. ;)
                          Except when it matters. ;)


                          The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

                          If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

                          <Add1ct> setting myself on fire can't be that hard
                          <Add1ct> but tackling a mosquito might prove a challenge

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by 7-11 View Post
                            im assuming anybody that as listed bob sanders as a fs has never actually seen the guy play?
                            um he lines up behind the right CB am i wrong? Bethea and Doss played the strong side which is generally the left side of the D.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by 7-11 View Post
                              im assuming anybody that as listed bob sanders as a fs has never actually seen the guy play?
                              How hard a safety hits and how good they are in run support doesn't always tell you where they play. Dawkins hits harder and plays the run better than just about anyone and is a FS.

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                              • #60
                                I'll give my top 10 overall.

                                1. Ed Reed, Free Safety, Baltimore Ravens

                                Reed is the best safety in the game. He's the best coverage safety in the game, hands down. He's amazing at reading the quarterback, and he covers more ground than anyone. Also a big hitter. One thing that doesn't get mentioned with Reed too often is how important he is to the Raven defense. The Ravens are great at using situational players, and we have been able to have a top defense when some of our top players are hurt, notably Ray Lewis. But when Ed Reed was out of the Raven lineup 2 years ago, there was a notable difference. We were no where near as dominating, and it seemed like guys were looking for help that wasn't there. Reed is without a doubt the most important Baltimore Raven, offesne or defense, and that is something that often gets overlooked by non-Raven fans.

                                2. Brian Dawkins, Free Safety, Philadelphia Eagles

                                Reed and Dawkins are easily 1 and 2. Dawkins has no visible holes in his game at all. He's fast, can cover, can blitz, and is an extremely reliable tackler. He also plays much bigger than his 205 pound frame. He gives a defensive coordinator a boatload of options. I feel his hitting is a bit overrated by some, but there's no doubt he can lay the wood, and he's showing no signs of slowing down.

                                3. Bob Sanders, Strong Safety, Indianapolis Colts

                                There is no doubt in my mind that the most valuable Colt is Bob Sanders, yes, ahead of Peyton Manning. The Colts are a completely different team when he is on the field. The impact that he has is simply amazing, and at 5'8", 200 pounds, some of the things he does on the field are amazing. I feel he's the best tackling safety in the game right now. He has outstanding form, something that you wouldn't expect for a guy of his size, and he gives everything he has on every hit. He doesn't force many turnovers, but he can get the job done in coverage. I don't think people realize how good he actually is.

                                4. Adrian Wilson, Strong Safety, Arizona Cardinals

                                Wilson is finally starting to get his due as a top safety, and a top defensive back in the NFL. He's blessed with outstanding natural ability, and he uses all of it on the field. He's not only one of the biggest safeties in the game, but he's also one of the fastest. And he is the best blitzer in the game. I don't know if I've ever heard of a safety getting 8 sacks in a year, something that he has done. He plays very good coverage, especially for his size, and is the heart of that Cardinal team.

                                5. Sean Taylor, Free Safety, Washington Redskins

                                Taylor is obviously overhyped by many, but he's still one of the best. There's no doubt that he has as much talent as any defensive player in the NFL, but he hasn't fully lived up to it. He's a ferocious hitter, and he's fearless. He isn't afraid of anyone. Those attributes alone make him one of the best. His coverage obviously needs improvement, as I feel he regressed a bit in that area. He needs to cut down on the big plays he gives up, and sometimes he tries to hard to make the huge hit. But again, he is so physically imposing, you have to put him as one of the best.

                                6. Troy Polamalu, Strong Safety, Pittsburgh Steelers

                                In my eyes, Polamalu took a big step back last season. He wasn't as much of a playmaker as he had been in year's past, and at times he was a big liability in coverage. I feel last season made him a bit overrated, but you have to respect his toughness and versatility. When he's on his game, he's arguably up there with Reed and Dawkins, but I wasn't impressed with what I saw last year.

                                7. Sean Jones, Strong Safety, Cleveland Browns

                                Sean Jones is the new Adrian Wilson. He may be the most underrated safety in the league. Sean Jones was the best strong safety in the AFC North last year, easily better than Polamalu. He's a tackling machine. He's always around the ball. And he showed that he can create turnovers, as he tallied 5 interceptions. I was tempted to put him ahead of Polamalu, and if Jones has another year like 2006, he will be ahead of Troy.

                                8. Kerry Rhodes, Strong Safety, New York Jets

                                Rhodes had a great year in 2006. Like Sean Jones, he's always around the ball, as shown by his impressive tackle numbers. He also showed he can rush the passer with 5 sacks, and chipped in 4 interceptions. He may have established himself as the best player on that Jet defense, ahead of Jon Vilma. He was without a doubt a pro bowl caliber player last season.

                                9. Chris Hope, Strong Safety, Tennessee Titans

                                I think the Pittsburgh Steelers made a big mistake when they let Hope go. I feel he was a big reason for the success of Troy Polamalu. Last year I think he got to show that he is almost on par with Polamalu. He's a very good tackler, and had 120 last season. He does a nice job in coverage, and had 5 picks last season. He was a very valuable player for that Titan defense.

                                10. Madieu Williams, Free Safety, Cincinnatti Bengals

                                One of the most underappreciated safeties in the game. He is a key cog in that Bengal defense. He doesn't have any big weaknesses, and he plays the run and the pass equally well.

                                Honorable Mention: Dawan Landry, Strong Safety, Baltimore Ravens
                                Last edited by dcarey20; 06-02-2007, 04:44 PM.

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