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  • #61
    Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
    And the Rams will score 10 points :)
    U get positive rep for being so nice.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
      Just a sidenote on what you brought up, BBD. I think the main thing holding BP back from doing what he wanted to with this defense was the lack of a dominant DL to provide an interior pass rush, an unblockable run-stopper, and simultaneously take away attention from the rush-backers. That is the main thing that BB has in spades that BP couldn't get. I truly think that everything else was in place for Bill to do his thing. Give him Seymour, Wilfork, and Warren and you would see a whole different product out on that field.

      As corroboration for this, back in the 05 draft he was said to covet Spears more than any other prospect in the draft. There were rumors that he engaged in a heated debate over who to take with #11, and that, while he loved Ware, he thought that getting the big but athletic plugger to anchor his DL was the #1 priority.

      I still think that Leonard Marshall was the most underrated member of that dominant Giant D of the 80s. It never would have been the same without a guy like him. If Spears had become that type of player, my bet is that Parcells would still be coaching.
      Absolutely. His defense in Dallas would be much different if he had the dline NE has. NE's defense is so great because of that. Their dline is amazing and is the reason why theyre so successful. Actually, all around, they have amazing players on defense. Its just a great defense, well built. But the dline is definately the best unit in that defense.

      I thought highly of Spears coming out as well. Its just surprising to me why he's not getting the job done. I just don't get it.

      As for Leonard Marshall, I couldn't agree more. He was the 2nd most important piece next to LT. And in my opinion, the best 3-4 End ever. Seymour gets all the pub, but Marshall was just as fierce of a run stoppper and twice the pass rusher. He averaged in the same scheme as Seymour, 7 sacks a season whereas Seymour averages 4. He also had twice as many tackles per season. Also if you watched him play, he was just better. Taking nothing away from Seymour though, because Im a huge Seymour fan and think he's one of the top dlinemen in the game today. But I digress because this is a Cowboys board and the emphasis should be on them and not my team.

      One thing I underestimated was how Wade's 1 gap scheme has greatly benefited this Dallas dline. While Spears hasn't reaped the benefits of it just yet, Canty seems to be playing better in it, and just think about what this dline would do if Ferguson got hurt in the old 2 gap scheme? The season would be over. I think that Dallas should retain this scheme they have in place now and just continue to build with it.

      All you guys need is a some help at CB and youre good to go. You can get dlinemen in the later rounds with this new scheme.

      Thats the one thing I would worry about this season. If teams spread you out, theres a serious lack of depth at the CB position, and if the opposing team has quality WRs, they may have success against this unit.

      Thats why the teams I think in the NFC that could scare the Cowboys (offensively at least) are potentially the Seahawks, and as odd as it sounds, the Giants if they can get it together for a whole season. Emphasis on potential though, its clear Dallas is the favorite right now.

      Id include the Cardinals and Lions but they have horrible olines.

      Im expecting the Pats to do just that, and spread you guys out. They did it against Wade in the playoffs last year.

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      • #63
        One thing Im curious to know is, if Wade will come out with a 4 man nickel front or stick with a 3-4 front/nickel 335 if NE spreads them out.

        I personally favor the 3-4 front. Ware and Spencer play better standing up and rushing the passer. That would most likely result in a lot of zone coverage however. And from my limited study of this scheme, Im not a huge fan of Wade's zones, they have some holes in them, particularly in the middle.

        It'll be interesting to see what he does. It should be noted that Wade had success rattling Brady last year in the playoffs. If it wasn't for some bad luck, SD probably wouldve won the game.

        On a side note, while many (myself included, i liked the pick alot but was unsure if he was a better choice then say, a CB or WR considering you guys had Carp) was unsure if Spencer was the right choice for Dallas with other holes on the team, you cannot deny the impact he has had on this defense. He's playing terrific for a rookie, and is in my opinion, a potential DROY candidate. Looking back at it now, he was definately the right choice since Carp isn't hacking it.
        Last edited by bigbluedefense; 10-12-2007, 11:49 PM.

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        • #64
          Spencer has been one of the brightest points of our hot start. He isn't getting the pub, but he is getting to the QB with regularity, and has improved every single game against the run, to the point that Wade actually said that he was "dominant" against the run in the Bills game. He might not be the edge rusher that Ware is, but he seems to be a perfect fit on the strongside. He is stouter and beefier, plus he doesn't rely so much on speed as he does a solid repertoire of pass rushing moves. Terrific young talent, and while I had reservations about us getting another SSOLB, I liked him as a prospect from the start.

          He is big for us, both in terms of our strong start this year and our hopes for future dominance. The kid has a chance to be a star, and will at the very least be an above average player at a premium position for years to come. For a franchise that spent, literally, over a decade trying to draft a premiere pass rusher, to potentially get two in three years is hard to believe.
          Originally posted by 21ST
          He was protecting his self
          Originally posted by tjsunstein
          From what? His leg?
          Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
          That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
          "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

          DeMarcus Ware

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          • #65
            Originally posted by yodachu View Post
            U get positive rep for being so nice.
            And you get positive rep for being realistic.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
              Spencer has been one of the brightest points of our hot start. He isn't getting the pub, but he is getting to the QB with regularity, and has improved every single game against the run, to the point that Wade actually said that he was "dominant" against the run in the Bills game. He might not be the edge rusher that Ware is, but he seems to be a perfect fit on the strongside. He is stouter and beefier, plus he doesn't rely so much on speed as he does a solid repertoire of pass rushing moves. Terrific young talent, and while I had reservations about us getting another SSOLB, I liked him as a prospect from the start.

              He is big for us, both in terms of our strong start this year and our hopes for future dominance. The kid has a chance to be a star, and will at the very least be an above average player at a premium position for years to come. For a franchise that spent, literally, over a decade trying to draft a premiere pass rusher, to potentially get two in three years is hard to believe.
              I agree with a lot of this, but let's not crown him yet. It's a long season and he needs to show consistency throughout a 16 games season. I'm a HUGE Spencer fan and I've been impressed by his play to date.

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              • #67
                One of the things that interests me immensely in sports is the way things are painted in retrospect. For instance, all anyone remembers about that Patriot/SD playoff game is that the Chargers self-destructed, that Marty was his usual incompetent self, and that they suddenly forgot that they had the MVP on their side.

                No one at all remembers that Tom Brady threw what should have been, by all rights, the game--and season--ending interception with just under 8:00 to go in the 4th quarter and down by 8 points. Had McCree just fallen down it would have likely sent them to the AFC Championship.

                Nor do they remember that Brady was extremely, extremely bad in that game, OR that the NE offense was completely and utterly unable to generate any push up front, resulting in 51 rushing yards on 21 attempts. (nor, incidentally, do they remember that Phillip Rivers was the main reason for SD giving the game away, as they would if he was, say, Tony Romo, but back to my point--->) No, they remember the Pats having the hearts of champions, and Brady possessing the grit and will to win that has "become his trademark", blah blah blah. The facts are that Brady had one of the--actually, probably the-worst playoff game of his career.

                He was just 27 for 51 (a horrific 53%) for 280 yards (even more horrific 5.5YPA) with THREE interceptions, including what should have been the game clincher.

                Yet you hear it told as if Belichick and Brady "figured out" and conquered Wade's defense. Again, historical distortion makes me laugh.
                Originally posted by 21ST
                He was protecting his self
                Originally posted by tjsunstein
                From what? His leg?
                Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                DeMarcus Ware

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
                  He was just 27 for 51 (a horrific 53%) for 280 yards (even more horrific 5.5YPA) with THREE interceptions, including what should have been the game clincher.
                  Funny, you didn't capitalize FIVE in the Romo thread. Why is that?

                  And with his new wideouts, I'm seeing a 24-31, 318 yards, 4 TD day for Brady against your boy Wade's defense.

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                  • #69
                    I didn't capitalize FIVE in that thread BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE WAS CAPITALIZING IT FOR ME. See my point. Everyone wants to be the first to proclaim how bad Tony is when he makes a mistake or has a bad game, and yet they apologize for and gloss over those of Tom Brady.

                    As for your prediction, it may very well be the case. I would tend to disagree, and I see more of a 22-35, 270 yards, 3 TDs, 1 Int type game, but whatever you like.....it still won't change the fact that Wade's defense owned Brady that time.
                    Originally posted by 21ST
                    He was protecting his self
                    Originally posted by tjsunstein
                    From what? His leg?
                    Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                    That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                    "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                    DeMarcus Ware

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                    • #70
                      If I can be serious for a moment, and leaving an 0-5 team out of the discussion about 2 5-0 teams: I like Pats 38-27. I see a high scoring game with the two best offenses in the league. And I see this game being a preview of a little game that gets played in Arizona, its played in February, its really no big deal. That is all.

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                      • #71
                        I said 28-24, Pats, and I think I'm rolling with that one. Looks like Henry is out for sure.
                        Originally posted by 21ST
                        He was protecting his self
                        Originally posted by tjsunstein
                        From what? His leg?
                        Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                        That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                        "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                        DeMarcus Ware

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                        • #72
                          I like us 27-24, I think we can come up with a gameplan to slow them down, I just hope we come out prepared and not sloppy, that is all I ask...And after last week, if we just dont turn the ball over, I really dont see us scoring less then 30 points





                          Originally posted by Scott Wright
                          I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                          • #73
                            I'm feeling overly ambitious tonight.

                            I predict Dallas winning
                            44-24

                            The home field is going to be a huge factor. Hamlin is going to show us why he is getting resigned...nothing is going deep until the end of the game desperation. TOP will be 40-20 in favor of us...

                            The great thing about this is...if I'm wrong I went out on a limb. If I'm right I look like a genius :P

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                            • #74
                              Last and final. 35-17. Cowboys.

                              Pats are over-rated because their trench play is not that good.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by robert_in_bigd View Post
                                Last and final. 35-17. Cowboys.

                                Pats are over-rated because their trench play is not that good.
                                Trench play is not that good? Their OL is sick and their DL is damn good. Explain?

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