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  • Originally posted by pocketaces
    imo the # 1 offseason move we should make is to sign kris dielman ufa from san deigo. he is a mauler and a great run blocker. to me this sures up our o-line and hes in his prime at 26 years old. this move would truly allow us to take bpa, or as i have been advocating, trading up and getting a true impact player. if we stay where we are i really like the nelson pick but wouldnt mind a corner here either. anybody else like dielman as much as i do?
    I'd prefer Derrick Dockery. Texas product which means he'll be more motivated to play in front of family and friends. Switching teams from a division rival which means he'll have extra motivation and will bring the playbook with him. In the middle of his prime. He'd be perfect for the job.

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    • Originally posted by D-Unit
      Originally posted by pocketaces
      imo the # 1 offseason move we should make is to sign kris dielman ufa from san deigo. he is a mauler and a great run blocker. to me this sures up our o-line and hes in his prime at 26 years old. this move would truly allow us to take bpa, or as i have been advocating, trading up and getting a true impact player. if we stay where we are i really like the nelson pick but wouldnt mind a corner here either. anybody else like dielman as much as i do?
      I'd prefer Derrick Dockery. Texas product which means he'll be more motivated to play in front of family and friends. Switching teams from a division rival which means he'll have extra motivation and will bring the playbook with him. In the middle of his prime. He'd be perfect for the job.
      yeah all good points but ive read that washington is working out a contract for him




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      • Originally posted by D-Unit
        I want to see your data about whether Roy can either be traded this offseason or whether he will be changing positions.
        FACT. Roy can be cut or traded by March (when he gets his roster bonus) for less than $2MM Cap hit. Go do some homework and look up the particulars of his contract. I do. I don't make up opinions without some analysis

        FACT. I dunno if he can change positions or not. I know he is not a 3-4 OLB and he is not playing like NFL Quality Starting SS. Why can I say this. 40% of all Cowboy Passing TDs come from TE and RB. This is the SS job. 20% for rest of the league.

        Originally posted by D-Unit
        Cause it does not make any sense for us to cut him.
        Why? Where are the facts? Show me one fact as to why he can not be cut. This is your opinion based on your desire to salvage Roy and see him on ESPN hitting some WR. Pure testosterone.

        Originally posted by D-Unit
        Covering up your weaknesses and expoiting your strengths are what football coaching and strategy is all about. To say that we cannot cover or hide a weakness and still improve the level of play is false.
        Why? Where are the facts? Show me one fact as to why this is true. This is just your opinion because you ar PROJECTING. I have mine because I am PROJECTING.

        Again, as BBD said the problem is SS not FS and we will continue to suck in pass coverage unless there is an upgrade in how that spot is played. With or without RW -- this is a good conclusion to draw.

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        • Originally posted by pocketaces
          Originally posted by D-Unit
          Originally posted by pocketaces
          imo the # 1 offseason move we should make is to sign kris dielman ufa from san deigo. he is a mauler and a great run blocker. to me this sures up our o-line and hes in his prime at 26 years old. this move would truly allow us to take bpa, or as i have been advocating, trading up and getting a true impact player. if we stay where we are i really like the nelson pick but wouldnt mind a corner here either. anybody else like dielman as much as i do?
          I'd prefer Derrick Dockery. Texas product which means he'll be more motivated to play in front of family and friends. Switching teams from a division rival which means he'll have extra motivation and will bring the playbook with him. In the middle of his prime. He'd be perfect for the job.
          yeah all good points but ive read that washington is working out a contract for him
          There are a lot of guys. Deilman seems intriguing. I would go for Jacob Bell (RFA). I also like Montrae Holland (UFA), Ryan Lilja (UFA), Jake Scott (UFA), Jermaine Mayberry (UFA), Eric Steinbach (UFA), Todd Steussie (UFA), Floyd Womack (UFA) among some others.

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          • Originally posted by Shiver
            You guys know Mike Zimmer better than anybody else. My question; what will he do with Jimmy Williams? Scott seems convinced that they will move him to Free Safety. I am not so sure. Thoughts?
            Well I think Zimmer does a great job of tailoring his scheme to his personnel, if he has the corners to do it, he'll press the receivers and put heat on the QB from all over the field, if he doesn't he'll play lots of 2 deep. Personally I feel he'll give Williams every chance to play corner before they move him. When you have a guy with the kind of tools he possesses you give him a chance to play the more valuable position, although FS is much more in vogue in the NFL of late. Of course I didn't see the Falcons much this year except for the Cowboys game, so I don't know how he progressed through the season.

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            • next year kick returner: austin or thompson?

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              • Originally posted by jdnoyes
                I can't stand to be quiet any longer. Cowboysforever what is so hard to understand here? RW will come into camp next year as the starting SS, and thats the bottom line.
                Maybe. Still does not solve the Coverage problems presented by RW under any scheme.

                Originally posted by jdnoyes
                Stop with your stupid RW fantasies, you've said your bit now get over it. You have a right to express your opinion on this board, but why do you have to say the same thing about RW 100 times?
                Because I have acadre of individuals who have "RW fantasies" where he actually plays well. Talk about Madden football. Let us ignore the facts on the field.

                Originally posted by jdnoyes
                This isn't fantasy football, and it isn't Madden. And YOU are not the GM of the Cowboys. Jerry paid this guy because like it or not he is a cornerstone of this franchise. He sells jerseys, he sells tickets, he makes highlight hits, he is durable (82 straight starts) and has made big plays throughout his career.
                So keep Roy to lose football games but sell of few trinkets? Top line thinking chap. Sadly, it sounds like Jerra.

                Originally posted by jdnoyes
                We are all in agreement that his coverage has been bad, and his tackling has left much to be desired of late. This discussion was fine last year, before Jerry gave away millions to Roy, BUT, with that contract he will not be traded, nor will he be released.
                I have discussed the contract but folks are not reading or can't.

                Originally posted by jdnoyes
                We can hope he improves because he will be on the field again next year.
                Amen because he was awful this year.

                Originally posted by jdnoyes
                Oh and RW is NOT a LB, never has been never will be he is a Safety, the RW to LB stuff is garbage too. Roy has never been willing to take on blockers, what is he going to do when 300 pound guards and tackles are coming his way on every play? This is not madden people, RW is a SS.
                Uh, I am not the only one who thinks he can play 4-3 OLB in a different scheme. Thomas Davis did it. He is not a 3-4 OLB, duh.

                Originally posted by jdnoyes
                So..can we discuss how this defense can be improved besides cutting or trading half the defense?? All this doom and gloom after a tough playoff loss. Get it together people, the difference between us crying for half the defense's heads, and us playing the Saints on Sunday is such a fine margin.
                When did I say we cut half the D? Please find it somewhere. It has never been written by me or anyone else on this board. Again, making things up to hear yourself think and see yourself write empty platitudes.

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                • Originally posted by cowboysforever
                  Originally posted by D-Unit
                  I want to see your data about whether Roy can either be traded this offseason or whether he will be changing positions.
                  FACT. Roy can be cut or traded by March (when he gets his roster bonus) for less than $2MM Cap hit. Go do some homework and look up the particulars of his contract. I do. I don't make up opinions without some analysis
                  FALSE!!!! Make sure your homework is RIGHT next time! Homework that is wrong is still WRONG!

                  Roy signed a 4 year 25.2M dollar contract, with 11.1M in guaranteed bonus money. The bonus money is divided up over the life of the contract. Roy earned 2.775M of it for this season. Which leaves an 8.325M dollar cap hit if we cut him.

                  We WILL NOT cut him and that is a FACT!

                  Originally posted by cowboysforever
                  FACT. I dunno if he can change positions or not. I know he is not a 3-4 OLB and he is not playing like NFL Quality Starting SS. Why can I say this. 40% of all Cowboy Passing TDs come from TE and RB. This is the SS job. 20% for rest of the league.
                  How can you say "FACT" and then say, "I dunno"...

                  Fact of the matter is that regardless of that stat you put out, that does not disquantify Roy as a Safety.

                  Originally posted by cowboysforever
                  Originally posted by D-Unit
                  Cause it does not make any sense for us to cut him.
                  Why? Where are the facts? Show me one fact as to why he can not be cut. This is your opinion based on your desire to salvage Roy and see him on ESPN hitting some WR. Pure testosterone.
                  8.325M dollar cap buddy. We just signed him to a 4 year extension thru the 2010 season last year. Show me the number of guys in the history of this league who signed a 4 year extension and the following year, he gets cut? It's unprecedented!

                  Originally posted by cowboysforever
                  Originally posted by D-Unit
                  Covering up your weaknesses and expoiting your strengths are what football coaching and strategy is all about. To say that we cannot cover or hide a weakness and still improve the level of play is false.
                  Why? Where are the facts? Show me one fact as to why this is true. This is just your opinion because you ar PROJECTING. I have mine because I am PROJECTING.
                  Seriously, you are digging yourself a hole here. Are you saying that coaches do not try to hide their team's weaknesses and exploit their strengths in developing game strategy?

                  Originally posted by cowboysforever
                  Again, as BBD said the problem is SS not FS and we will continue to suck in pass coverage unless there is an upgrade in how that spot is played. With or without RW -- this is a good conclusion to draw.
                  Nobody disagrees that Roy needs to improve his pass coverage. Certainly, if he can improve, so will our defense. Yet, you cannot tell me that the only way to improve our pass defense is by cutting him or moving him to another position.

                  You're not making sense man. Let's just talk hypothetical, just so that I can prove my point. If Ed Reed were our FS playing opposite of Roy, are you telling me that our pass defense would not improve?

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                  • When are people going to get a clue?
                    Originally posted by 21ST
                    He was protecting his self
                    Originally posted by tjsunstein
                    From what? His leg?
                    Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                    That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                    "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                    DeMarcus Ware

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                    • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                      When are people going to get a clue?
                      I wish I would've visited this thread more often. I love owning this new guy! :D

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                      • Originally posted by D-Unit
                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        Originally posted by D-Unit
                        I want to see your data about whether Roy can either be traded this offseason or whether he will be changing positions.
                        FACT. Roy can be cut or traded by March (when he gets his roster bonus) for less than $2MM Cap hit. Go do some homework and look up the particulars of his contract. I do. I don't make up opinions without some analysis
                        FALSE!!!! Make sure your homework is RIGHT next time! Homework that is wrong is still WRONG!

                        Roy signed a 4 year 25.2M dollar contract, with 11.1M in guaranteed bonus money. The bonus money is divided up over the life of the contract. Roy earned 2.775M of it for this season. Which leaves an 8.325M dollar cap hit if we cut him.

                        We WILL NOT cut him and that is a FACT!

                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        FACT. I dunno if he can change positions or not. I know he is not a 3-4 OLB and he is not playing like NFL Quality Starting SS. Why can I say this. 40% of all Cowboy Passing TDs come from TE and RB. This is the SS job. 20% for rest of the league.
                        How can you say "FACT" and then say, "I dunno"...

                        Fact of the matter is that regardless of that stat you put out, that does not disquantify Roy as a Safety.

                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        Originally posted by D-Unit
                        Cause it does not make any sense for us to cut him.
                        Why? Where are the facts? Show me one fact as to why he can not be cut. This is your opinion based on your desire to salvage Roy and see him on ESPN hitting some WR. Pure testosterone.
                        8.325M dollar cap buddy. We just signed him to a 4 year extension thru the 2010 season last year. Show me the number of guys in the history of this league who signed a 4 year extension and the following year, he gets cut? It's unprecedented!

                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        Originally posted by D-Unit
                        Covering up your weaknesses and expoiting your strengths are what football coaching and strategy is all about. To say that we cannot cover or hide a weakness and still improve the level of play is false.
                        Why? Where are the facts? Show me one fact as to why this is true. This is just your opinion because you ar PROJECTING. I have mine because I am PROJECTING.
                        Seriously, you are digging yourself a hole here. Are you saying that coaches do not try to hide their team's weaknesses and exploit their strengths in developing game strategy?

                        Originally posted by cowboysforever
                        Again, as BBD said the problem is SS not FS and we will continue to suck in pass coverage unless there is an upgrade in how that spot is played. With or without RW -- this is a good conclusion to draw.
                        Nobody disagrees that Roy needs to improve his pass coverage. Certainly, if he can improve, so will our defense. Yet, you cannot tell me that the only way to improve our pass defense is by cutting him or moving him to another position.

                        You're not making sense man. Let's just talk hypothetical, just so that I can prove my point. If Ed Reed were our FS playing opposite of Roy, are you telling me that our pass defense would not improve?
                        1 Bonus was 5.5. Another 5.5 due in March as a roster bonus.

                        2 So stats don't matter when measuring Roy? OK.

                        3 It is a FACT that I don't know if he can play 4-3 OLB. I can tell the difference between facts and opinions. So stop word F ing. You are not good at it.

                        4 Unprecedented? Try benching Adam Archuleta. But since his Cap hit is not what you say it is .....

                        5 Of course teams try to expose weaknesses. I just said RW is nearly impossible to HIDE because to do so it exposes the rest of the Defense to huge plays. 1 Deep versus 2 means more big plays. HEY NOW!

                        6 You guys want Roy to play LB and SS AT THE SAME TIME. Talk about Madden. "Yeah, he can do it all. Cover. Rush. Play Run. Without exposing the D to other big risks."

                        7 I am saying that with enablers and people kissing his arse (like most of you) RW will never improve. Why. He is on ESPN twice. Once with the big hit" and the other time getting burned for a game losing TD. Then idiot owner comes around kissing your arse while your head coach is ignoring you.

                        8 Ed Reed would hypothetically improve the D because it improves our FS position. Ed Reed does not help the SS play better. In fact, if Ed had to bail out RW he would actually play worse.

                        Pass D is only as good as the weakest link. That is RW.

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                        • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                          When are people going to get a clue?
                          i did




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                          • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                            When are people going to get a clue?
                            Ostrich.

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                            • Originally posted by D-Unit
                              Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                              When are people going to get a clue?
                              I wish I would've visited this thread more often. I love owning this new guy! :D
                              Keep flipping your burgers and repeating the "I own" anything idea.

                              Like clicking heals and saying RW will get better! Same fantasy.

                              You have lots of opinions -- of which all come from ESPN. Just opinions without facts.

                              But anyway, I got all day by the PC to enjoy "the clowns in the circus."

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                              • Originally posted by D-Unit
                                Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                                When are people going to get a clue?
                                I wish I would've visited this thread more often. I love owning this new guy! :D
                                d i posted this a few pages back but it got blown off and i was told it is wrong. i stand by it but im not a "cap genius" so....

                                Quick salary cap tutorial: For cap purposes, signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of a contract, even though they are actually paid all in one year. This year Roy signed a 5-year deal worth $25.2 million with an $11.1 million signing bonus. So, pro-rating that out, Roy's signing bonus gives a cap hit of $2.22 million a year ($11.1M divided by 5). According to the NFLPA website, Roy's base salary this year was $585K, which means that although he was actually paid $11,685,000 this season, for the purposes of the salary cap he only counted $2,805,000 (base salary of $585,000 + $2.22M pro-rated portion of signing bonus).

                                Sounds great, right? Pay the player now, but don't use all your cap space. That's how the 'Skins sign those big FA deals every year. But the kicker is that as soon as the player in question is no longer on the team (whether it be due to being released, traded, retirement, whatever), the rest of the pro-rated portion of the bonus is accelerated into the current year for salary cap purposes.

                                So, again applying the real world numbers as they relate to RW: were he to be released or traded this off-season, the remainder ($8.88M) of his pro-rated signing bonus would count against our cap this year. That's why you never see big name trades in the NFL - if they've gotten paid, they're not getting traded, because no team is going to be willing to take the cap hit.
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