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  • Originally posted by Achilles33 View Post
    Hey guys, Im back. :)

    But seriously, I was just thinking about something that made me like as our starter the Barbarian even more:

    You know how we were a slow starting team for most of the season right? And we were considered a second half team, correct? Maybe that's because of julius jones and Marion Barber. It seems like when Marion is in there (never the first quarter until the playoff game) he injects our offense with life. When julius was in there, it was like "ok julius, take the ball, run into colombo's back for a 1 yard gain, if lucky, ready break", LOL. I was thinking about that and I think it makes sense. I am really looking forward to MBIII going berserk as the starter next year. (and watching a few more trucks in the Pro-Bowl)

    What do you guys think?
    You know it's funny. We had Marion injecting life into our offense in the second half of games early in the season in limited action, and we actually were winning. In fact I think we lost something like 1 game up until the month of December. Then when Marion started a game, we actually lost. Interesting phenomenon that. We WON games when Barber was getting his carries in the second half, and we lost when he started.

    You guys all agree that Marion is a great back. I say, if he's so great, why shouldn't he be playing in the second half? Not only is it more suited to his running style and abilities, but some would argue that the second half is actually MORE important than the first half. Personally, I'd rather have my great back playing at that time.

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    • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
      Any news on Ellis? I heard he wants out? I know youre fine with Spencer (probably better with him starting), but it wouldnt be a bad idea to have 3 pass rushers on your team.

      I really liked the package where Ellis played DE and Ware and Spencer OLB on passing downs. Very effective blitz package. Maybe tell Carp to gain weight again and try OLB out?

      He's not a ILB, at 255 he shouldve gained 10 more lbs of muscle and stayed at OLB, instead he went down to 240, and lost any ability to pass rush, and wasn't strong enough to play ILB. He needs to get back up to 260ish and play OLB.

      Or trade him to a 4-3 team the way his body type is now.
      ...Ellis cries every year, but doesn't seem to go anywhere. I think he probably plays this year as a Cowboy and either retires or goes somewhere else next year.

      I would also guess that Carpenter is gone before the season starts. The fact that we made it public that we were shopping him and that he played under 10 snaps this year would be a good indication, haha.

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      • I'll take that bet that Carpenter's gone before the season starts. We'll shop him to see what value we can get, but the NFL still stands for No Trade League. And that rings especially true with regard to players. Even if Carpenter didn't show up that much this season, 2 years is far too soon to give up on a former #1 pick. Even Mike Williams got two full years, and he couldn't even break the active roster, much less show anything.

        I would guess that the reason Carpenter and Spears' names have shown up on the trade market are specifically to see what interest they draw from Bill Parcells and the rebuilding Dolphins. Perhaps Bill will take the bait. I doubt that he can really make an offer that will match either Carpenter or Spears' value.

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        • the return value you'd get for Carp would be horrible. youre better off trying to salvage him somehow.

          he'll thrive somewhere else. but its gonna take a lot of guts to get rid of him for peanuts and watch him succeed elsewhere.

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          • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
            the return value you'd get for Carp would be horrible. youre better off trying to salvage him somehow.

            he'll thrive somewhere else. but its gonna take a lot of guts to get rid of him for peanuts and watch him succeed elsewhere.
            You're not gonna find a better backup for whatever you get for Carpenter...not only is he talented, but he is versatile. He can play both inside and outside and he's a good special teamer. I honestly can't see any player outside the first two rounds who would be more capable than Carpenter...and you wouldn't get anything more than a late 3rd for Carp at the very best.

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            • Originally posted by JJJ888 View Post
              You're not gonna find a better backup for whatever you get for Carpenter...not only is he talented, but he is versatile. He can play both inside and outside and he's a good special teamer. I honestly can't see any player outside the first two rounds who would be more capable than Carpenter...and you wouldn't get anything more than a late 3rd for Carp at the very best.
              i'd take a late 3rd for carp. But i agree he can be an excellent back-up due to his versatility. and if he wasn't a 1st round pick we'd definately hold on to him.

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              • Originally posted by GDWTheSickness View Post
                i'd take a late 3rd for carp. But i agree he can be an excellent back-up due to his versatility. and if he wasn't a 1st round pick we'd definately hold on to him.
                That's the reason I'd hold on to him. First rounders have talent, that's why they're selected where they are. The only way that would dissuade me from letting Carp go is his cap number, which really shouldn't be too high because he was selected late in the round.

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                • Carp is our barganning piece...not other peoples...they have to want him...I find it hard to believe we give him away...why give him away for a 3rd...is anyone going to be an upgrade there? The pick alone doesn't hold hardly enough value to move up...carp is just something that can make a deal on the ropes a solid deal...if no one calls I doubt we call shipping him.

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                  • Originally posted by thule View Post
                    carp is just something that can make a deal on the ropes a solid deal...if no one calls I doubt we call shipping him.
                    basically thats what it comes down through, is he could be the extra guy to add to a deal for someone this off season, and its well worth it for a guy who doesnt play and will probably walk after his contract is up anyway...


                    And his value is higher then a late 3rd, for a guy who hasnt proved he's a bust yet, teams would give up a 2nd who need defense really bad like Detroit





                    Originally posted by Scott Wright
                    I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                    • On NFL Network last night Adam Schefter said the raiders are going to put the franchise tag on asumougha or w/e his long name is, ravens will franchise suggs, but the Seahawks are gonna let Trufant test the open waters. Could be interesting. As long as it isn't no nate clements deal. maybe 6-7 mil a year 5-6 years. idk, but at leeast he will be there. What about quinten jammer any info on if he's staying a charger?

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                      • Originally posted by GDWTheSickness View Post
                        On NFL Network last night Adam Schefter said the raiders are going to put the franchise tag on asumougha or w/e his long name is, ravens will franchise suggs, but the Seahawks are gonna let Trufant test the open waters. Could be interesting. As long as it isn't no nate clements deal. maybe 6-7 mil a year 5-6 years. idk, but at leeast he will be there. What about quinten jammer any info on if he's staying a charger?
                        Jammer signed an extension either last year or the year before that...he will be under contract this year.

                        Interesting to see Trufant in open waters...he will get more than Clements sadly. I wouldn't be mad to go after him...but Newman will also be getting a big deal so IDK if I can see it happening.

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                        • Originally posted by thule View Post
                          Jammer signed an extension either last year or the year before that...he will be under contract this year.

                          Interesting to see Trufant in open waters...he will get more than Clements sadly. I wouldn't be mad to go after him...but Newman will also be getting a big deal so IDK if I can see it happening.
                          more than clements?!?!?!?! are you serious 8 year 80 million i highly doubt it. you can't really think any team would logically pay that. the 49ers way over payed last year. their offer was way more than any one else's for him. it won't happen again.

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                          • With so many teams in need of a cornerback, and a draft class that isn't very strong, Trufant should at least get what Clements did. Furthermore, the salary cap has grown again, allowing teams more room to give big money to players like Trufant or Asante Samuel.

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                            • Teams throw money out like that and it ends up being a waste...What good did the niners do themselves by sucking up all their cap room on one guy who didnt make a difference in the fact that they couldnt block or throw?

                              I want a cb, especially someone with the skillset of Trufant but not at the expense its going to come, I can guarantee if he hits the market he will be the highest defensive paid player ever, because it changes every year now, there is no way he wont get at least 80 million from somebody, and thats too high for our cap space

                              We just have to build for the draft, people dont rely on it enough, but if you land a solid corner he can come in and make some plays, especially on a good team like ours...we just have to hope our new scouts and talent evaluators do their job and pick the right guys





                              Originally posted by Scott Wright
                              I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                              • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                                Teams throw money out like that and it ends up being a waste...What good did the niners do themselves by sucking up all their cap room on one guy who didnt make a difference in the fact that they couldnt block or throw?

                                I want a cb, especially someone with the skillset of Trufant but not at the expense its going to come, I can guarantee if he hits the market he will be the highest defensive paid player ever, because it changes every year now, there is no way he wont get at least 80 million from somebody, and thats too high for our cap space

                                We just have to build for the draft, people dont rely on it enough, but if you land a solid corner he can come in and make some plays, especially on a good team like ours...we just have to hope our new scouts and talent evaluators do their job and pick the right guys
                                You ask yourself why teams like the Patriots and Colts have been so good the past 5 years and the answer is clear: they don't overpay for aging, free-agent veterans and the build their rosters through the draft. Look at all the youngsters the Colts started this year. If you can build quality depth through the draft, you don't need to pay out the big bucks for over-priced free agets. That's why spending selections on Doug Free and James Marten was such a good idea last year.

                                There's absolutely no way we can afford to pay Trufant or Samuel 10+ mill a year. It's ludicrous. Imagine, after next season when we pay Terrence Newman his 12 mill. a year, that, if we had Samuel then we'd be in the hole for approximately 22 million dollars a year of our salary cap (approximately 1/6 of the total cap) on just our 2 starting cornerbacks. Yikes.

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