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  • Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
    No we shouldn't.
    I would do it in a heart beat. Ellis is overrated. He's never lived up to his first round draft status and the only reason he netted 12.5 sacks is because QB's were rolling away from Ware/Canty and right into Ellis.

    If you wouldn't trade Ellis and a 4th for JT, you're nuts.

    JT a 10X the player and probably has 3 solid years left, whereas Ellis is already replaceable.

    The reason for this not being feasible is because Miami would be getting ripped off.

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    • Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
      I would do it in a heart beat. Ellis is overrated. He's never lived up to his first round draft status and the only reason he netted 12.5 sacks is because QB's were rolling away from Ware/Canty and right into Ellis.

      If you wouldn't trade Ellis and a 4th for JT, you're nuts.

      JT a 10X the player and probably has 3 solid years left, whereas Ellis is already replaceable.

      The reason for this not being feasible is because Miami would be getting ripped off.
      Lol, where would be the upgrade? Ellis has always been great at rushing the passer, he still is, so why would you give a draft pick up for a guy that doesn't even know if he wants to play football anymore? Greg Ellis is one of the leaders of the defense, and you're ready to replace that for a guy with a bigger name.

      So tell me, what are the things we would gain? Cause i can sure list off what we would lose.

      A 3rd round pick. Leadership. Cap room (Taylors' bigger salary). Valuable time and commitment to your young guys. It's funny that people here are still trying to figure out ways to upgrade the linebacker position, when it already is pretty good. If it's not Patrick Willis or David Harris, i'm not trading for them.

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      • Greg Ellis just reminds me of a grumpy old man these days. He's never happy unless he's complaining about something.

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        • Cowboys first-round picks RB Felix Jones and CB Mike Jenkins are both candidates to take over kickoff returns this season.

          They will battle incumbent Miles Austin who averaged 25.5 yards per return last season. With Jones only scheduled to see change of pace and passing down work, this shouldn't have a significant impact on his offensive potential. The team hopes that Pacman Jones can take the punt return job assuming he's reinstated this summer.
          per dmn...I know its a long way away, but I don't see why Pacman wouldn't do both once he starts doing punt returns, hell alot of his td's and best returns were on kickoff returns.


          But out of these 2, guess it will be interesting to see who takes the job right away...Be interesting to see how it plays out.





          Originally posted by Scott Wright
          I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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          • Originally posted by leroyisgod View Post
            Greg Ellis just reminds me of a grumpy old man these days. He's never happy unless he's complaining about something.
            Well, wouldn't you? I mean, the dude was a pro bowl linebacker! Why does he need to put up with this crap? What has Anthony Spencer done? And the Chardonnay they serve with lunch is ****in room temperature.




            This is intolerable.

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            • 2 years ago it was his moving from DE to OLB and thinking the cowboys were getting rid of him. I also believe he was bitching about his contract also.

              Last year it was coming off an achilles tear along with us drafting Spencer in the first. We gave him the contract he was crying about.

              This year we want to give Spencer more reps (in practice) and think about making him a pass rush specialist keeping the old guy fresh.

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              • Originally posted by leroyisgod View Post
                Greg Ellis just reminds me of a grumpy old man these days. He's never happy unless he's complaining about something.
                I wonder if Bob's last name is Ellis?:D




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                • Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
                  Lol, where would be the upgrade? Ellis has always been great at rushing the passer, he still is, so why would you give a draft pick up for a guy that doesn't even know if he wants to play football anymore? Greg Ellis is one of the leaders of the defense, and you're ready to replace that for a guy with a bigger name.

                  So tell me, what are the things we would gain? Cause i can sure list off what we would lose.

                  A 3rd round pick. Leadership. Cap room (Taylors' bigger salary). Valuable time and commitment to your young guys. It's funny that people here are still trying to figure out ways to upgrade the linebacker position, when it already is pretty good. If it's not Patrick Willis or David Harris, i'm not trading for them.
                  You're trying to say we lose leadership in an Ellis for Taylor swap? You've got to be kidding. JT is one of the best leaders in this league. He and ZT held the Miami defense together for years.

                  He is 10 times the player Ellis is. Ellis is an underachiever and isn't even anything special at rushing the passer. He benefits from the guys who play opposite of him.

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                  • Wanted to post this, because maybe it answers some questions about us not addressing our "true" NT yet, and some of the different things Wade ask of Ratliff to do like dropping back into coverage, which he admits, wasn't able to do with Jamal Williams...Maybe having somebody like him gives us more flexibility, for those who visit the blog you probably already read it but I wanted to post for those who missed it.



                    NT Jay Ratliff's relentless drive played a major role in earning the former seventh-round pick an $8 million signing bonus. Don't expect his motor to slow down just because his bank account has added a zero.

                    "Matter of fact, it makes me hungrier," Ratliff said during a break from teaching high school players swim and rip moves at a Reebok STACK Elite Tour clinic Thursday evening. "I came in with a chip on my shoulder, trying to prove that I belong in this league. Now it's pretty much the same thing, but I'm trying to prove that [the contract] wasn't a mistake."

                    The 6-4, 298-pound Ratliff, who moved from DE when Jason Ferguson went down with a season-ending injury in the opener, doesn't have a prototypical frame for a 3-4 nose tackle. But he's a good fit in Wade Phillips' one-gap scheme, which requires linemen to use their quickness to disrupt plays instead of simply occupying blockers. That was clear before Tank Johnson played a down for Dallas.

                    The proof is in Ratliff's performance. He anchored a run defense that ranked sixth in the league, made three sacks and led the team's defensive linemen in QB pressures (15), passes defensed (four) and fumble recoveries (two).

                    Oh, and he's probably the best nose tackle in the league at dropping back into pass coverage (and the only one who played safety in high school). Crazy as it sounds, Ratliff's ability to cover underneath zones is a valuable tool in Phillips' blitz packages.

                    Ratliff's combination of athleticism and attitude -- he lives by the motto his minister father hammered into his head: "Whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your might" -- convinced Jerry to ensure that he'd be a key cog in the Cowboys' defense for years.

                    Becoming a multimillionaire didn't change Ratliff as a person, other than giving him the means to really spoil his two daughters. But it did alter his motivation.

                    He's answered the questions about whether he could play in the NFL. Now he's determined to prove that it wasn't a fluke.
                    http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar...even-more.html



                    This also brought up some of the same key points...
                    Ratliff was a tight end/linebacker/safety in high school. He played tight end, defensive end and defensive tackle at Auburn, and his lack of a true position is the primary reason he slipped into the seventh round of the 2005 draft.

                    But that versatility is a huge bonus for Wade Phillips. I mentioned yesterday that Ratliff dropped back into coverage several times against the Giants and later asked Phillips how rare it was to have a nose tackle that could handle that responsibility.

                    "You see that? Well we hadn't had many, or maybe any," Phillips said. "I've been in it a long time and we hadn't had many that were that versatile. We didn't ever drop [350-plus-pound] Ted Washington. Not [340-pound] Jamal Williams either.

                    "He can do that, so we include it. It's what your players can do. We can try to think of something that they can do that helps us.

                    "He's versatile enough to drop out of the line. He covers up the center, the center has to block him and then all of sudden he's out of there and we get the one-on-one matchups with other people."

                    Ratliff almost had a pick, too, when he identified a screen pass and stopped rushing to jump out into the flat. The ball clanked off his hands -- maybe that's why Auburn didn't leave him at tight end -- denying him the chance to show that he's the fastest nose tackle in the league.

                    The concern about Ratliff, who was slotted to split time between DE and NT before Jason Ferguson went down in the season opener, was that he'd wear down. He doesn't have a squatty body built to take the beating nose tackles get on a play-to-play basis, and he wasn't resting in the nickel and dime packages like almost every other nose tackle.

                    But Ratliff, who doesn't say much, says he feels fine. Tank's presence means that the Cowboys will be able to limit Ratliff's snaps and keep him fresh.

                    You won't read about Ratliff in any national magazines or hear his name on highlight shows too often, and that's fine by him. He's content being an unknown guy playing a key role on one of the league's elite defenses.
                    http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives...the_start.html




                    These stats are just incredible: made three sacks and led the team's defensive linemen in QB pressures (15), passes defensed (four) and fumble recoveries (two)...This is from a NT? In a 3-4 at that, thats ridiculous...He led D lineman in Qb pressures, his impact of obvious huge on our team...This article provided some insight as to how he is used, which makes sense knowing he isn't the typical 340lb guy, hopefully this sheds a little light on the situation, and you can't argue with our run defense either.





                    Originally posted by Scott Wright
                    I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                    • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                      Wanted to post this, because maybe it answers some questions about us not addressing our "true" NT yet, and some of the different things Wade ask of Ratliff to do like dropping back into coverage, which he admits, wasn't able to do with Jamal Williams...Maybe having somebody like him gives us more flexibility, for those who visit the blog you probably already read it but I wanted to post for those who missed it.




                      http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar...even-more.html



                      This also brought up some of the same key points...

                      http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives...the_start.html




                      These stats are just incredible: made three sacks and led the team's defensive linemen in QB pressures (15), passes defensed (four) and fumble recoveries (two)...This is from a NT? In a 3-4 at that, thats ridiculous...He led D lineman in Qb pressures, his impact of obvious huge on our team...This article provided some insight as to how he is used, which makes sense knowing he isn't the typical 340lb guy, hopefully this sheds a little light on the situation, and you can't argue with our run defense either.
                      I think the guys great and Don't mind having him at nose with the personnel we have. I would still like to see him come off the edge a few plays a game because I think he can be a beast at DE.

                      I don't really see the point of us having the "mammoth NT" unless we get some ILB's who can rush the passer, or give some on our team more playing time (Burnett; cough, cough)

                      Jamal Williams was good for SD because they brought Foley/Wilhelm/Cooper and occasionally Donnie Edwards on blitzes in which Jamal was able to occupy the center and guard to allow them a free shot. James' blitzing is god awful and I'm not familiar with ZT's ability. Burnett is the only guy I consistently saw get QB pressures coming up the middle.

                      Basically what I'm trying to get as is the fact that our guy would be occupying blockers for Bradie James to attack easier, which isnt his forte. He's just an average read and react run stopper with no real ability to bring pressure in this scheme.
                      Last edited by Burns336; 05-30-2008, 07:27 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                        Well, wouldn't you? I mean, the dude was a pro bowl linebacker! Why does he need to put up with this crap? What has Anthony Spencer done? And the Chardonnay they serve with lunch is ****in room temperature.




                        This is intolerable.
                        If he wants to stay in this league more than 2 more years, then this is the best way for him to do it.

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                        • Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
                          I think the guys great and Don't mind having him at nose with the personnel we have. I would still like to see him come off the edge a few plays a game because I think he can be a beast at DE.
                          Your on the money with that, I share your same sentiments, and thats my only gripe with having him at NT...BUT, I will say if Hatcher takes that next step as alot of people believe he will, and he has shown the potential at times, Hatch can man one end and Canty on the other, Ratliff inside still provides incredible penetration from that position...I hate to see Ratliff not at DE because he can flat out get after the QB, he's incredibly athletic, but if Hatcher provides that missing link from the other end I'll be ok with it...Hopefully(and more then likely probably) he will line up at DE as you said during the game also, one thing I absolutely love about Wade's scheme is that its not vanilla like Parcells, he has so many different looks he can offer...Ware lines up at both DE spots and both LB spots, Spencer is all over the place, same with the down lineman, Ratliff provides some versatility that in a 3-4 is priceless.





                          Originally posted by Scott Wright
                          I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                          • per rotoworld, something to keep your ears peeled for next week...

                            NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the NFL could make a decision on suspended Cowboys CB Pacman Jones as early as next week.

                            An internet report surfaced early Friday claiming that Jones will be reinstated. Schefter indicates that commissioner Roger Goodell hasn't formally decided yet, but says Dallas remains "optimistic" about having Pacman in 2008.
                            I knew that rotowire link was bogus, did the same thing with the trade issue...But realistically I think we have Pacman this yr, worst case scenario we are looking at him working out and practicing now, and missing 4-8 games during the regular season...Best case scenario is obviously full reinstatement right now, but I think Pacman will fall somewhere in between...We should just want him to practice, learn the scheme, get up to speed, workout with the players and consult with Calvin Hill as much as possible...If he's game speed with the corners we have its gonna be crazy.





                            Originally posted by Scott Wright
                            I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                            • My best case scenario (even though it's a bit late to be doing all this) would be he get reinstated, play as our #2 corner, Henry moves to FS, Hamlin to SS.

                              BoneKrusher

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                              • Jason Taylor is expected to formally demand a trade from the Dolphins at an 11:30AM ET press conference on Sunday.
                                The Dolphins already know about this from Taylor's agent, but it'll come directly from the six-time Pro Bowler's mouth on Sunday. According to the Miami Herald, Taylor will announce he wants to play for a contender and that 2008 will be his final season in the NFL. Taylor will also say he's skipping next week's mandatory minicamp, which will cost him $8,638 in daily fines.
                                Source: Miami Herald
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                                If this is true, we shouldn't even consider trading for him if he only wants to play for 1 more season.
                                Last edited by dc4life; 06-01-2008, 02:00 AM.

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