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  • Roy Williams is not earning his money right now, but Romo and he don't have the chemistry built the same way Romo has it with Witten. Heck, not even TO had that kind of chemistry. ...one of TO's biggest complaints.

    Romo is still maturing. That's why people don't know what he is. He's learning to play without TO. Understandably, it's a big adjustment. Who doesn't get that?

    Roy had a bad drop, but that doesn't make him a bad player. He doesn't get enough targets to be taking such criticism.

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    • Originally posted by Sniper View Post
      Why does Martellus Bennett only have three catches? Less action than expected?
      We're quickly realizing that there's not enough balls to go around.

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      • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
        Sorry guys, but Jason Williams will not be taking over for Carp this year. He may be the most physically gifted defensive player we have but, the guy is a project right now. He's raw as it is and now you add the 6 or so weeks he's going to miss, on top of that. We could see him in some nickel situations, where he is rushing the passer a few times this year but, there is no way he's taking over for him.
        Sadly, you're right about that. Carp = Trash

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        • Also, I think we should leave poor Austin and Hurd alone in the early get go. More so Hurd, who is getting crap for not getting open. Erm...hard to get open when you're on the bench. They dont play Hurd much at all. Most of the time they're on running plays and Romo checked to run three times when Hurd was in there yesterday. ugh.

          It was nice to see Hurd in there with the rest of the receivers when we went 4 wide and empty back those two times.

          And yeah, Austin is getting more snaps than Hurd but, Bennett lining up in the slot has taken a lot of possible PT away from him, as well.
          Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 09-29-2009, 04:13 PM.

          Thanks BoneKrusher^

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_j52DziMy4 (the man)
          http://youtube.com/watch?v=2g6S3Anto7c
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          • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
            Sadly, you're right about that. Carp = Trash
            We sure do miss Kevin Burnett

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            • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
              Sadly, you're right about that. Carp = Trash
              I said it yesterday...it looks like he's getting slower. Bobby was not much of a player before but, I mean come on. He's getting worse.

              Thanks BoneKrusher^

              http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_j52DziMy4 (the man)
              http://youtube.com/watch?v=2g6S3Anto7c
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              • And I didnt see anyone post it but Felix is out with a PCL sprain, he's probably out until after our bye week so, three weeks or so. Sigh.

                Thanks BoneKrusher^

                http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_j52DziMy4 (the man)
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=2g6S3Anto7c
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                • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                  Sadly, you're right about that. Carp = Trash
                  You know, he might get over exposed if he's used too much on 3rd downs, but Brooking has looked pretty good on the few passes he's defensed.
                  In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                  -Douglas MacArthur

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                  • D-Unit, I know he has been a whipping boy for you, but Kosier has been outstanding so far this season.
                    In war, you win or lose, live or die - and the difference is just an eyelash.


                    -Douglas MacArthur

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                    • Originally posted by Macarthur View Post
                      D-Unit, I know he has been a whipping boy for you, but Kosier has been outstanding so far this season.
                      Yeah, he has. Right now I'd be an idiot to bash the OL. If they keep it up, we'll win a lot of games. Regardless of our other problems.

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                      • Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
                        And I didnt see anyone post it but Felix is out with a PCL sprain, he's probably out until after our bye week so, three weeks or so. Sigh.
                        He's as fragile as a cat. :(

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                        • Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
                          I'm just tired of reading excuses for Roy Williams. I would actually take satisfaction in reading everyone on here admit he's a piece of ****. An underachiever. A bust in terms of what was given up for him.

                          I'm not expecting deep bombs going to RW like they went to Owens.

                          What I am expecting is a possession receiver who works the underneath and middle of the field. I'm looking for a guy to run good routes, use his big body, and use his big hands to bail his QB out.

                          A guy who gives you 6-8 catches a game and 4-5 first downs....

                          I see that guy, but he's white and his jersey says "82" on it, and he gets paid a 3rd as much.

                          I will give Williams credit for his run blocking. He's been great in that aspect so far.
                          So all you are asking for is 96-128 catches a year and 64-80 first downs...and since Roy averages 13 or so YPC, that would translate to 1248-1664 yards a season, and there's no way he's justified in not catching at least one TD for every 10 receptions, so that means 10-12 TDs a year, right?

                          Ic, so all you really want from him is to be Chris Carter in his prime, right? That's all. Fairly reasonable to expect him to play at a HOF pace, considering we gave him such a big contract and paid such a king's ransom of a 1st and 3rd round pick for him--any HOF in the history of the league could be had for such a price, after all.

                          This is ridiculous. Yes, if you are holding him to that standard, he's a bust and a complete failure. I admit.

                          However, if we are looking for a guy to catch 70-80 balls for 1100 or so yards and 6-9 TDs, I think he is quite capable. And he's on pace to do that just fine.


                          Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
                          you pretty much made my point for me. We can't go deep against this defense. Ok, there is Austin's excuse for no production.

                          Now tell me what that has to do with Roy Williams?

                          Those are the types of games where he should take over and command the middle and underneath, right? He should be catching slants and crossing routes or finding holes in the defense.

                          You guys all wanna say he isn't T.O., Don't expect the deep bombs, he's not that sorta player -- Ok i don't... So what should I expect?

                          I would assume that he'll be a great possession guy.

                          Now you're telling me because the Deep routes were taken away, he was rendered useless? I thought the deep routes "weren't his thing" right? " He's not that type of player" right?

                          so let me sort through the so called "facts" that you and others on here have put before me...

                          -Don't expect deep bombs or explosive plays in the mold of T.O.

                          -He's an underneath player with a big body who is more of a possession guy that keeps the chains moving

                          -When deep bombs are taken away by the defense, we use that as an excuse for no production, even though said receiver is supposed to be an underneath specialist, not a deep ball threat.

                          So if the guy isn't producing underneath, and he can't go deep, where can he go?

                          Please, someone break down what this guy's specialty is for me? Explain why he's our #1?

                          ....Oh wait, it because he can catch a fade route right? Big time redzone target?

                          oops.

                          I didn't say he's not capable of big plays. He is, and he's already gotten a 66 yard TD to his name--no matter how much your ridiculous dismissal of it as a "broken coverage" (well, who broke it? Roy and Romo did) the fact remains that he has a 66 yard TD, like it or not--on the season and got another big gainer last night on a deep in route.

                          I just said not to expect him to be a HOF type WR in the mold of TO or Randy Moss. We should expect him to produce like a prime Fred Barnett, Amani Toomer, Hines Ward, Derrick Mason or someone of that ilk. A good player who might have a career year and make a Pro Bowl team, but not one who is going to dominate the ball or force the other team to gear its entire defense to stop him.

                          I think he'll have a game soon where he has 6-8 catches for 100+ yards and plays a big part in winning the game. But he shouldn't be judged on such lofty standards because he simply a) hasn't ever done anything to suggest he is that guy and b) doesnt NEED to be that guy for us to get where we are wanting to go.

                          All he needs to do is be a good player. I think its pretty clear right now that he is that. Lay off him. If our offense keeps playing the way it has the first 3 games, we will be one of the best of all time.
                          Originally posted by 21ST
                          He was protecting his self
                          Originally posted by tjsunstein
                          From what? His leg?
                          Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                          That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                          "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                          DeMarcus Ware

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                          • Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
                            So all you are asking for is 96-128 catches a year and 64-80 first downs...and since Roy averages 13 or so YPC, that would translate to 1248-1664 yards a season, and there's no way he's justified in not catching at least one TD for every 10 receptions, so that means 10-12 TDs a year, right?

                            96 catches for 1250 and 10 TD's would be what Roy needs to produce to justify what was given up for him. No, I do not think that is too much to ask.

                            Ic, so all you really want from him is to be Chris Carter in his prime, right? That's all. Fairly reasonable to expect him to play at a HOF pace, considering we gave him such a big contract and paid such a king's ransom of a 1st and 3rd round pick for him--any HOF in the history of the league could be had for such a price, after all.

                            This is ridiculous. Yes, if you are holding him to that standard, he's a bust and a complete failure. I admit.

                            ^^ Ok good. Bust and failure is all I wanted to hear. And yes, I am holding him to that standard. Partly because Roy Williams himself claims to be great in the media. Lets see him back up that talk.

                            However, if we are looking for a guy to catch 70-80 balls for 1100 or so yards and 6-9 TDs, I think he is quite capable. And he's on pace to do that just fine.

                            70 catches, for 900-1000 yards, and 6 TD's would be pathetic in my eyes. Patrick Crayton was able to put up 700 yards and 7 TD's as the 3rd option in this offense. If you're standards are that low, you're crazy.



                            I didn't say he's not capable of big plays. He is, and he's already gotten a 66 yard TD to his name--no matter how much your ridiculous dismissal of it as a "broken coverage" (well, who broke it? Roy and Romo did) the fact remains that he has a 66 yard TD, like it or not--on the season and got another big gainer last night on a deep in route.

                            No, Sabby Piscatelli blew his assignment and it was an easy play. It was pointed out by multiple analysts on multiple networks as blown coverage. Roy just ran untouched (no jam) up the seem and made a play that any D-list nfl WR could make.

                            I just said not to expect him to be a HOF type WR in the mold of TO or Randy Moss. We should expect him to produce like a prime Fred Barnett, Amani Toomer, Hines Ward, Derrick Mason or someone of that ilk. A good player who might have a career year and make a Pro Bowl team, but not one who is going to dominate the ball or force the other team to gear its entire defense to stop him.

                            This is what I don't understand... and much like the rest of my rant, this isn't a criticism -- it's an honest question. How are you ok with giving up a 1st, 3rd, and 45 mil to amani toomer, hines wards, or derrick mason?

                            I realize it's a decision that was made and you are taking the "glass half full" approach but there has to be some decisions that you disagree with right? To me, this is a blatant blunder by our GM.


                            I think he'll have a game soon where he has 6-8 catches for 100+ yards and plays a big part in winning the game. But he shouldn't be judged on such lofty standards because he simply a) hasn't ever done anything to suggest he is that guy and b) doesnt NEED to be that guy for us to get where we are wanting to go.

                            All he needs to do is be a good player. I think its pretty clear right now that he is that. Lay off him. If our offense keeps playing the way it has the first 3 games, we will be one of the best of all time.
                            Responses in bold. With the exception of the last line which I bolded out of shock. One of the best of all time? Did you really just say that about this offense? dude please.

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                            • Well then I guess what we should be arguing about is the level of expectations, rather than his level of play. Do you realize that TO did not even produce those types of numbers? His best season with us totaled 81 catches for 1300 yards (though he was admittedly an extraordinary TD scorer). You are not asking him to be TO, you are asking him to be BETTER THAN TO. That is ridiculous, imo.

                              And we can agree that his contract was a mistake. I disagreed at the time with it and I disagree now. Whoopee, it's done. Part of the negotiation process is handing out bad deals, everyone does it and its just something you want to minimize, cause you can't avoid it. Its predicting the future and no one can play that game and not get burned. Still, at the time I thought it was completely and utterly unnecessary and significantly above market value considering what he had done in the past. It was absolutely a gaffe on the FO's part.


                              We are averaging 430 yards per game (198 rushing) and 29 ppg. If we do that for an entire season, we will set franchise records for total yards per game, rushing and scoring and will be among the top 10 offenses of all time in yardage and one of the top 30 or so in scoring. That's the truth. People are so busy complaining they don't realize just how good we've been offensively.


                              I didn't say 900 to 1000 yards, I said 1100 or so. That means 1100 give or take 75 or 100 yards....so if a range is needed I would say 1000-1200 yards with 70 to 80 catches and 6 to 9 TDs. Health permitting, he will get those numbers this year. What you fail to realize is that we just aren't the type of offense that is going to provide him with the opportunity to get more. TO got as much (in many people's minds, more) opportunity as one could ever reasonably expect and his max catches was 85 while his max yards were 1355. Yet somehow, I get the feeling that if Roy ends this season with 80 catches for 1200 yards you are going to be disappointed and feel that he is a major disappoint. That is beyond my comprehension.
                              Last edited by DMWSackMachine; 09-29-2009, 06:46 PM.
                              Originally posted by 21ST
                              He was protecting his self
                              Originally posted by tjsunstein
                              From what? His leg?
                              Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                              That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                              "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                              DeMarcus Ware

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                              • Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
                                Roy Williams is not earning his money right now, but Romo and he don't have the chemistry built the same way Romo has it with Witten. Heck, not even TO had that kind of chemistry. ...one of TO's biggest complaints.

                                Romo is still maturing. That's why people don't know what he is. He's learning to play without TO. Understandably, it's a big adjustment. Who doesn't get that?

                                Roy had a bad drop, but that doesn't make him a bad player. He doesn't get enough targets to be taking such criticism.
                                I agree he is still maturing s a player, but he is still making very bad decisions with the football. What is really slowing his development is the poor blocking schemes and adjustments by Garrett.

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