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  • Mayock says AVOID STAFFORD!

    He didn't say it in all caps like that.. but anyways..

    http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...void_draf.html

    Mike Mayock, the draft analyst for NFL Network, was a guest on WJR tonight, joining hosts Ken Brown and Mike O'Hara. Here are some highlights from that interview (and the Detroit Lions fans who are hoping the team drafts Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford might be a little disappointed with Mayock's opinions):

    --- Mayock said he believes that 2009 will be an average draft class without much star power in the top 10. He believes the draft is deep at outside linebacker and tight end but weak at guard and inside linebacker.

    --- Mayock pointed out that of the last 11 underclassmen quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round, only two have been successful - Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rogers. Mayock pointed out a laundry list of failures - Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, Alex Smith and, so far, JaMarcus Russell.

    Mayock said that if the Lions make a mistake at quarterback with that pick, "they won't recover for five years.''

    Mayock spoke very highly of Stafford, saying he has great arm strength and is a good athlete, but also said "There are some things about him that bother me. If I was the Lions, I'd take (Aaron) Curry or one of those left tackles (Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe).

    "If you have any doubts about the kid, in my opinion, you have to pass. I told everybody last year that Matt Ryan was the guy. I have questions about the guy this year.''

    --- Mayock said he sees some similarities between Stafford and Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, especially arm strength, but he sees one big difference. Mayock said Cutler played for a "horrible'' Vanderbilt team but always had his team in a position to win. Stafford, meanwhile, played with two elite receivers and an NFL-caliber running back and "sometimes he looked like Superman and sometimes he looked average ... I say 'Why?'''

    --- Brown and O'Hara brought up the possibility that if the Lions drafted Curry, they might move him to middle linebacker but Mayock immediately shot that down. Mayock said Curry is the prototype SAM linebacker and shouldn't be moved.

  • #2
    He says that outside linebacker is deep but we should draft one #1 overall? Sorry, but if the Lions draft a strongside linebacker #1 overall, I'll kill myself.

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    • #3
      people dismiss to easily how godawfull the oline of georgia has been the last few years


      Saints 2014 draft wish list:
      - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
      - Corner or Wideout in the first
      - No reaching
      - No Kelvin Benjamin

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      • #4
        cRABTREE number 1

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        • #5
          Originally posted by P-L View Post
          He says that outside linebacker is deep but we should draft one #1 overall? Sorry, but if the Lions draft a strongside linebacker #1 overall, I'll kill myself.
          I'll probably join you in the suicide routine if Aaron Curry is the pick, despite many Lions fans actually wanting it to happen. And I mean honestly, the difference between Stafford and Freeman is much bigger than the difference between Smith/Oher or Beatty. If the Lions go into next season with Elijah Price as the future, I will do some violent action (I'm pretty much out of ideal threats).


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          • #6
            meh that guy doesn't know what hes talking about

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brodeur View Post
              I'll probably join you in the suicide routine if Aaron Curry is the pick, despite many Lions fans actually wanting it to happen.
              I'll make it a threesome.

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              • #8
                Did Mayock seriously call Mohammed Massouquoi an "Elite WR?"

                If he did than lolz all the way around.
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                RIP themaninblack

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lions WMD View Post
                  He didn't say it in all caps like that.. but anyways..

                  http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...void_draf.html

                  Mike Mayock, the draft analyst for NFL Network, was a guest on WJR tonight, joining hosts Ken Brown and Mike O'Hara. Here are some highlights from that interview (and the Detroit Lions fans who are hoping the team drafts Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford might be a little disappointed with Mayock's opinions):

                  --- Mayock said he believes that 2009 will be an average draft class without much star power in the top 10. He believes the draft is deep at outside linebacker and tight end but weak at guard and inside linebacker.

                  --- Mayock pointed out that of the last 11 underclassmen quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round, only two have been successful - Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rogers. Mayock pointed out a laundry list of failures - Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, Alex Smith and, so far, JaMarcus Russell.

                  Mayock said that if the Lions make a mistake at quarterback with that pick, "they won't recover for five years.''

                  Mayock spoke very highly of Stafford, saying he has great arm strength and is a good athlete, but also said "There are some things about him that bother me. If I was the Lions, I'd take (Aaron) Curry or one of those left tackles (Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe).

                  "If you have any doubts about the kid, in my opinion, you have to pass. I told everybody last year that Matt Ryan was the guy. I have questions about the guy this year.''

                  --- Mayock said he sees some similarities between Stafford and Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, especially arm strength, but he sees one big difference. Mayock said Cutler played for a "horrible'' Vanderbilt team but always had his team in a position to win. Stafford, meanwhile, played with two elite receivers and an NFL-caliber running back and "sometimes he looked like Superman and sometimes he looked average ... I say 'Why?'''

                  --- Brown and O'Hara brought up the possibility that if the Lions drafted Curry, they might move him to middle linebacker but Mayock immediately shot that down. Mayock said Curry is the prototype SAM linebacker and shouldn't be moved.
                  I'd like to know who the two "elite" receivers are. Massaquoi? He's a good posession WR but far from elite. He's not fast or elusive and he had the drops for most of his career. Elite WRs do not get booed off the field and are benched for dropping passes. Green? A true freshman who was still learning the offense and had a groin injury most of the year? Green is going to be a force to be reckoned with in the future, but he was not one his freshman year. He ran the wrong routes frequently.

                  And I agree with whomever mentioned Georgia's inexperienced offensive line. Having two good WR and RB can only get you so far if the freshmen and sophomores blocking in front of you are getting manhandled by SEC defensive linemen week in and week out.
                  Last edited by Geason Noceur; 03-10-2009, 01:14 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Matt Ryan went to BC. Thats why Mayock loved him. Stafford has all the tools IMO. You just dont' draft a SAM LB at pick 1. You just don't, especially from Wake Freaking Forest. Stafford is a top 5 pick, with potential to be a franchise QB. He has started just as many games as many seniors and he's in a pro style offense. We need a QB, and if he works out we'll be able to compete in the North eventually. Especially if the Bears and Vikes are still looking for that Qb.

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                    • #11
                      Mayock wants most teams to avoid making themselves better.
                      Originally posted by 49erNation85
                      I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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                      • #12
                        Just a general inquiry. I'm a relatively new fan to the NFL so my knowledge of it's history is limited.

                        My question is, has a QB ever been drafted into a team that was floundering and managed to turn it around within the three or so seasons it takes for them to be considered a bust or for them to move on?

                        And when I say floundering I mean bottom three teams in the league at the time. So that means, the QB has no strong O-line or Running Back or Defence to fall back on.

                        Personally, I don't see Stafford becoming a great QB here, he might at a team which has some personnel for him to work, but here has little. CJ is really the only weapon he has, and while it's a great weapon, it's not gonna stop him from getting rushed constantly.

                        We need to fix our defence, which happens to be among the worst the league has ever seen. Curry would be a good choice, even though there seems to be this utterly stupid notion of not giving the safest and most likely best player in the draft his worth because he plays a certain position.

                        Monroe or J. Smith is also completely viable.

                        Also, for those people who say we can draft a stronger O-line with the picks we have later on in the draft should note that our defence needs help, if we spend 1 or 2 picks that high up on O-lineman, what's gonna be left for our shocking defence. Little, if any top talent, which is what we need.

                        Their will be other QB's in the future, whether it comes from the draft or from the Free Agency, we won't know. But to say not drafting Stafford is gonna be a big mistake is really pretty silly because there's just as much chance, if not a bigger chance, that drafting him will be just as big of a mistake.

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                        • #13
                          I find Mayock's comments to be a contradiction to where he has Stafford rated on his prospects list for the draft. He has Stafford rated as his #6 overall prospect. The 5 rated ahead of him are Curry, Crabtree, J. Smith, Orakpo and Munroe in that order.

                          So looking at those 5 pragmatically, should the Lions go with a LB at #1? I wouldn't mind it, but at the end of the day the answer is no...if they did it would be because it's the safest way to go, but not addressing the most pressing of needs. Crabtree? No. Orakpo? No...I would be shocked if they did. He projects better at OLB in 3-4 system anyways. That leaves us with two LT's in what is a deep class of quality LT's...meaning we can address OT (or better yet OG) likely at #33. Thus, Stafford has the best value based on Detroit's needs and Mayock's rating of him.

                          Imo, Mayock suffers from the same thing as the rest of us....far too much time to over-analyze the draft and who should draft what to the point where you start coming to illogical conclusions.
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                          • #14
                            Didn't Stafford have a not so good combine in terms of throwing the ball?

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                            • #15
                              Stafford didn't throw at the combine.

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