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  • #16
    Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
    Well, I almost starting throwing stuff when Jax basically screwed us for the 2nd time today by trading up for Groves. Henne was my 2nd favorite QB in this draft and I basically was calling for him if they chose to go QB. I have to admit though that I was hoping they were going to ignore QB because they liked Beck. Apparently, they don't like him too much because they chose to use yet another 2nd rd pick on a QB.

    I like the first day, but I have to admit that I am disgusted that Taylor was not traded for a first day pick. I have to believe that there were teams in round 2 willing to make a deal for him. If they could have traded him for the TB pick that eventually turned into Groves, then it should have been done.

    Still don't like the Booker trade. Tuna had Meggett in NY and while Booker is not as muscular and powerful, he still had the shiftiness and big play ability that this offense needed. To trade him for a 4 is disappointing.

    Love the Merling pick. Think he has top 10-15 ability and with a little seasoning could be a Seymour-type 3-4 DE.

    All in all, I guess I am happy but not trading Taylor and not having too many extra picks in the next 2 rounds is a bit disappointing. Maybe they start day 2 with a way to accomplish that.

    If they keep the pick, I think Dan Connor, Pat Sims, Tyvon Branch and yes, Mario Manningham are possibilities. My preference would be for the WR, although his stock seems to be dropping big time and maybe they can pick him up later......

    By the way Joe, looks like you won the bet. When I saw Carolina trade up, I was certain it was for a QB and I think it would have changed things for my prediction........ I admit it, I was wrong on that one.......
    I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you said except a couple of things.

    1.) I can't see us going after Mario Manningham. I think we have had this discussion before but he is too small. Look for William Franklin in round 4. That would be a more logical choice.

    2.) I loved the Booker trade. Don't get me wrong, I love Booker as a player. He is exciting and adds punch to any offense. I watched him during my time at FSU. But he is not Meggett. Meggett for Parcells is the exception, not the rule. Booker likely was going to be a ST player and emergency player in case guys get hurt. He is not good in a ST role. Despite what Sparano said about him I just knew he was not going to have a big role here. Getting a 4th rounder for him is a nice little deal for us.

    If I were to tell you before the draft that we traded our 3rd string RB and swapped about 15 spots in Round 4 in order to get a 24 year old starting TE and 28 year old rotational ILB who both have plenty of experience in the system we run, I think you'd be thrilled. For some reason, you are real down on Fasano and Ayodele and real high on Booker, I can't figure out why. I understand Booker is flashy and more exciting but The guys we got are much better fits for our team and the system we want to play. The moves were the right ones to make and improve us a pretty decent amount considering they were minor deals.

    4.) Carolina moving up didn't scare me so much because I knew they wanted a OT and Otah was really the last elite OT left. I pretty much knew that was their target when the deal was made. What scared me was the Jets dealing up to 30. I think they could have stayed put and landed Keller so I didn't understand the trade but when I saw them jump, I thought for sure they were leapfrogging us for Henne.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
      I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you said except a couple of things.

      1.) I can't see us going after Mario Manningham. I think we have had this discussion before but he is too small. Look for William Franklin in round 4. That would be a more logical choice.

      2.) I loved the Booker trade. Don't get me wrong, I love Booker as a player. He is exciting and adds punch to any offense. I watched him during my time at FSU. But he is not Meggett. Meggett for Parcells is the exception, not the rule. Booker likely was going to be a ST player and emergency player in case guys get hurt. He is not good in a ST role. Despite what Sparano said about him I just knew he was not going to have a big role here. Getting a 4th rounder for him is a nice little deal for us.

      If I were to tell you before the draft that we traded our 3rd string RB and swapped about 15 spots in Round 4 in order to get a 24 year old starting TE and 28 year old rotational ILB who both have plenty of experience in the system we run, I think you'd be thrilled. For some reason, you are real down on Fasano and Ayodele and real high on Booker, I can't figure out why. I understand Booker is flashy and more exciting but The guys we got are much better fits for our team and the system we want to play. The moves were the right ones to make and improve us a pretty decent amount considering they were minor deals.

      4.) Carolina moving up didn't scare me so much because I knew they wanted a OT and Otah was really the last elite OT left. I pretty much knew that was their target when the deal was made. What scared me was the Jets dealing up to 30. I think they could have stayed put and landed Keller so I didn't understand the trade but when I saw them jump, I thought for sure they were leapfrogging us for Henne.
      I still think Manningham is a possibility, though I think it is doubtful they take him to start the day tomorrow. Maybe in a trade down.

      I guess if you put it as trading Booker for Fasano, it does not sound that bad. I still think acquiring a LB in his 6th or 7th yr in the league does not help in the long run.

      I am still really pissed that Taylor has not been traded. We literally could have landed Groves with Tampa's pick. Imagine getting Groves along with the 3 players we actually did land......

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
        I still think Manningham is a possibility, though I think it is doubtful they take him to start the day tomorrow. Maybe in a trade down.

        I guess if you put it as trading Booker for Fasano, it does not sound that bad. I still think acquiring a LB in his 6th or 7th yr in the league does not help in the long run.

        I am still really pissed that Taylor has not been traded. We literally could have landed Groves with Tampa's pick. Imagine getting Groves along with the 3 players we actually did land......
        Skolnick, who is one of the better Dolphin writers IMO, has some interesting stuff to say that's he's been hearing.

        -Of course with the Michigan heavy draft, he addressed Mario Manningham. Says there are mixed feelings on him. Says not to expect him on the Dolphins since the Dolphins staff seems to come to a consensus on players before drafting them and they are split on Manningham due to character concerns. Kiss of death for him IMO. Don't expect him here.

        -Despite Ireland saying there were no calls about JT, he believes that there has been talks and that there was something to the Bucs rumors that went around. He's speculating a little bit but he says don't expect this to be the end of the JT talk. We had a deal in place for with the Bucs but Jacksonville ended up with the pick. He says that there's rumblings Jacksonville jumped up to take Groves knowing that was our target and that they are holding him hostage trying to force our hand trading JT to them for a more reasonable price then what we were asking from them. They are ok keeping Groves if a deal can't be reach but supposedly they are trying to use him as leverage to get us to deal JT to them. Smart play on their part and I still think we should jump on it if we can get Groves and a 5th.

        Good stuff from Slonick.

        My thoughts now:

        Ayodele does not help in the long run but he is huge help for now. He has knowledge in the system we run and with a bunch of new guys in Torbor, Anderson, and even Crowder who hasn't spent much time in a ILB role, Ayodele will be a huge help in the development of these players over the next 2 years so it's definately worth a pretty modest price we paid. It certainly can't hurt to have him around for a couple years as we have too many holes to address everything in just 1 offseason.

        I have my draft board stacked, some huge reaches today and real steals as well. But here's the best at each spot left on my draft board:

        QB- Andre Woodson, Kentucky
        FB- Owen Schmitt, West Virginia
        RB- Jamaal Charles, Texas
        WR- Mario Manningham, Michigan
        C- Steve Justice, Wake Forest
        TE- Brad Cottam, Tennessee
        OT- Anthony Collins, Kansas
        OG- Roy Schuening, Oregon State
        DE- Kendall Langford, Hampton
        DT- Dre Moore, Maryland
        MLB- Dan Connor, Penn State
        OLB- Erin Henderson, Maryland/Cliff Avril, Purdue (Have them pretty even)
        CB- Justin King, Penn State
        S- Reggie Smith, Oklahoma

        Obviously not all Dolphin targets but some pretty good talent left for us to pluck.

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        • #19
          is allen bailey a swamp monster?

          jk ... lions fan here (save the wr jokes) checking in to see who ya'll are chatting about early tomorrow?! You guys rocked today with Merling then Henne. Ann Arbor is home so love the Mich picks, Super Mario is not a character threat, he's a cool cat actually. A little young and inmature but if you took him with long & henne already in place, he would be fine and a steal.

          We would like connor in the D, so tell tuna no connor for the fins ... ha ... lol.

          out
          Last edited by SINCE1978; 04-26-2008, 11:34 PM. Reason: take manningham, you'd get planty of new mich fans!

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          • #20
            Parcells won't like it, but at the end of the day, I think he settles for a 3rd rounder and a future for Jason Taylor. If he can get this done before the draft starts tomorrow, he might nab Cliff Avril to start the 3rd.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by toonsterwu View Post
              Parcells won't like it, but at the end of the day, I think he settles for a 3rd rounder and a future for Jason Taylor. If he can get this done before the draft starts tomorrow, he might nab Cliff Avril to start the 3rd.
              I don't see him going anywhere at this point. It'll be done at the trade deadline.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                Skolnick, who is one of the better Dolphin writers IMO, has some interesting stuff to say that's he's been hearing.

                -Of course with the Michigan heavy draft, he addressed Mario Manningham. Says there are mixed feelings on him. Says not to expect him on the Dolphins since the Dolphins staff seems to come to a consensus on players before drafting them and they are split on Manningham due to character concerns. Kiss of death for him IMO. Don't expect him here.

                -Despite Ireland saying there were no calls about JT, he believes that there has been talks and that there was something to the Bucs rumors that went around. He's speculating a little bit but he says don't expect this to be the end of the JT talk. We had a deal in place for with the Bucs but Jacksonville ended up with the pick. He says that there's rumblings Jacksonville jumped up to take Groves knowing that was our target and that they are holding him hostage trying to force our hand trading JT to them for a more reasonable price then what we were asking from them. They are ok keeping Groves if a deal can't be reach but supposedly they are trying to use him as leverage to get us to deal JT to them. Smart play on their part and I still think we should jump on it if we can get Groves and a 5th.

                Good stuff from Slonick.

                My thoughts now:

                Ayodele does not help in the long run but he is huge help for now. He has knowledge in the system we run and with a bunch of new guys in Torbor, Anderson, and even Crowder who hasn't spent much time in a ILB role, Ayodele will be a huge help in the development of these players over the next 2 years so it's definately worth a pretty modest price we paid. It certainly can't hurt to have him around for a couple years as we have too many holes to address everything in just 1 offseason.

                I have my draft board stacked, some huge reaches today and real steals as well. But here's the best at each spot left on my draft board:

                QB- Andre Woodson, Kentucky
                FB- Owen Schmitt, West Virginia
                RB- Jamaal Charles, Texas
                WR- Mario Manningham, Michigan
                C- Steve Justice, Wake Forest
                TE- Brad Cottam, Tennessee
                OT- Anthony Collins, Kansas
                OG- Roy Schuening, Oregon State
                DE- Kendall Langford, Hampton
                DT- Dre Moore, Maryland
                MLB- Dan Connor, Penn State
                OLB- Erin Henderson, Maryland/Cliff Avril, Purdue (Have them pretty even)
                CB- Justin King, Penn State
                S- Reggie Smith, Oklahoma

                Obviously not all Dolphin targets but some pretty good talent left for us to pluck.
                Joe,

                I just can't see the Groves thing happening. It would be a great deal, if they could make it happen, but I think that ship has sailed.

                I really hope this pick (64) gets dealt for some add'l picks. Maybe even a mid rd pick next yr to start the process for next yr.

                If they are legitimately talking to TB about Taylor and they can get a 4 and 6 this yr and a #2 next yr, they should do it right now. Gives us a little more depth this year and gets us an addl first day pick next yr. That would 3 yrs in a row with multiple 2nd rounders and that is how you build quality depth in this league....

                Funny stat that I heard. This is now 4 yrs in a row Miami has used a 2nd rd pick on a qb. (Feeley, Culpepper, Beck, Henne). Lets hope this is the last time for a while that we see a QB picked that early.......

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                • #23
                  We added a 6th with that pick and then took Langford. Really like that pick. Merling and Langford is gonna be nasty.

                  That is correct comahan
                  I ******* LOVE YOU DG
                  <3 dg

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                  • #24
                    I've been calling Langford to us for a long time. Thought we coulda dropped a little more and still got him but other then that, very solid pickup.

                    We are loaded at DE with Merling, Langford, Wright, Starks, Holliday and Roth.

                    You have to think they are shopping either Holliday who is getting older or Roth who is not a great fit in a 3-4. I'm gonna guess one of those guys is gone for picks later on.

                    Connor, King, Avril still on the board. Really hope we can pull a trade up for one of them.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                      I've been calling Langford to us for a long time. Thought we coulda dropped a little more and still got him but other then that, very solid pickup.

                      We are loaded at DE with Merling, Langford, Wright, Starks, Holliday and Roth.

                      You have to think they are shopping either Holliday who is getting older or Roth who is not a great fit in a 3-4. I'm gonna guess one of those guys is gone for picks later on.

                      Connor, King, Avril still on the board. Really hope we can pull a trade up for one of them.


                      The writing is on the wall for Holliday to be a cap casualty. You did call out Langford Joey so much props on that one. Obviously Parcells saw a major weakness on the defensive line and now we added two studs in Merling and Langford to help fix that. Two "Pillars" of the defense HAHAHAHHA

                      Matt Roth should be traded to a 4-3 team for a 4th or 5th if possible. He has no place in the 3-4 defense at this point especially with the two young studs we just picked up.
                      Last edited by BigBlueCrew56; 04-27-2008, 09:50 AM.

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                      • #26
                        I'm not sure if Holliday for sure is gone. Merling and Langford aren't ready to start right away. Merling should see the field a lot but he still has to get healthy and put on some more weight before he is a full time 3-4 DE. And Longford is very raw. Both will contribute, but I still think Holliday and Starks start next season, at least at the beginning of the year.

                        That is correct comahan
                        I ******* LOVE YOU DG
                        <3 dg

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
                          I'm not sure if Holliday for sure is gone. Merling and Langford aren't ready to start right away. Merling should see the field a lot but he still has to get healthy and put on some more weight before he is a full time 3-4 DE. And Longford is very raw. Both will contribute, but I still think Holliday and Starks start next season, at least at the beginning of the year.
                          Guts still tells me Matt Roth is getting dealt for a 4th. With Holliday and Starks starting and Merling 1st off the bench and Wright likely getting some snaps as well and not to mention Langford waiting in the wings. There's just not place for him and he's not a good fit as a 3-4 DE.

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                          • #28
                            I see a OL with this pick. Carl Nicks would be nice, as would Roy Schuening or Anthony Collins.

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                            • #29
                              Well we did go OL but not any of the ones I was looking at. I guess I could live with Shawn Murphy as the pick tho. He's definately one of the biggest OGs in the draft at 320 LBS so he fits the system perfectly. Gotta be our starting LG this coming year I'm guessing.

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                              • #30
                                Yea Toon thinks he can start at LG next season. Would have preferred some other guys but I'm not gonna doubt this pick. Odd we traded up for him though.

                                That is correct comahan
                                I ******* LOVE YOU DG
                                <3 dg

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