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  • #16
    Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
    I said he beat Ross as well, he beat him for the TD before the half, but he wasn't on him all game. He had 2 catches on Hall, one was the PA TD when it was the safety and Hall tried to make a play, and the other was a skinny post where he beat Hall with speed. Other than that he beat up on Trent. I forgot about Brown being hurt, but I know he wasn't on Ross all game (I don't like Ross anyway). Ginn is successful in college because of his speed. He burns people. That will not work in the NFL. He is too small to not run good routes or have good hands.
    Why do I always have to repeat myself. 4.2 is 4.2, college or pros. That will be hard to keep up with for any type of players. That's the speed he possesses and he has beaten NFL-calibre defenses in the Big Ten, with the likes of Michigan being one of them. What makes you believe with that being said that he can't run by Asante Samuel or David Barrett or Terrence McGee or Andre Dyson. The Corners of the AFC east won't touch Ginn. That's how it will work in the NFL.

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    • #17
      How many times do I have to repeat myself, you can't run by everyone in the NFL like you can in college.

      That is correct comahan
      I ******* LOVE YOU DG
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      • #18
        ok how about Ted Ginn as a defensive back discussion?

        any info how good he is as a cornerback?

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        • #19
          If Ted Ginn played CB in college you have no idea how bad I would want him. He was amazing in high school. Literally shut down half the field. Damn you OSU.

          That is correct comahan
          I ******* LOVE YOU DG
          <3 dg

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          • #20
            Bottom line is that Ginn is not worth the number 9 overall pick. He is not nearly the complete WR that most of the othe propsects in this draft are. It usually takes about 2 or 3 years for a WR to make an impact in the NFL and the fact that Ginn is raw in alot of areas will make him even less likely to hlep right now. You don't take a guy in the top 10 for his kick return ability.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
              As a WR Ginn has to many holes to be worthy of the 9th overall pick. If hands are coachable tell that to Troy Williamson. Route running is coachable to an extent but the problem with Ginn is he is a strider and not quick so him running crisp routes is going to be very hard. For Ginn being such a big time playmaker and a guy that can take it to the end zone all the time his ypc isn't very high. He averages 13 ypc, Meachem averages 18. Meachem can burn people just like Ginn, but he can also do other things, Ginn can't. Ginn doesn't juke people, he isn't that good on screens unless he can just run. You can't just run by people in the NFL.
              Ginn isn't quick? Where are you getting that? He has remarkable acceleration and loses almost no speed when cutting...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dolphinfan2k5 View Post
                Ginn isn't quick? Where are you getting that? He has remarkable acceleration and loses almost no speed when cutting...
                Ginn has an average agility compare to reggie bush ..

                he just simply outruns everybody

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dolphinfan2k5 View Post
                  Ginn isn't quick? Where are you getting that? He has remarkable acceleration and loses almost no speed when cutting...
                  You're absolutely right.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Athrun340 View Post
                    Ginn has an average agility compare to reggie bush ..

                    he just simply outruns everybody
                    Why did you even bother posting this?

                    You obviously have never watched him play. While I agree his agility isn't as good as Reggie, I don't think anyone's is. But he is still VERY agile and makes crisps cuts while losing absolutely no speed. (Like stated above)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
                      If Ted Ginn played CB in college you have no idea how bad I would want him. He was amazing in high school. Literally shut down half the field. Damn you OSU.
                      Good point. And hey, if we drafted him... who is to say we don't test that. Since everyone is so down on his ability to be a good reciever at the next level. Let's let him be a returner and test his cover abilities in practice. That guy from the bears Rashied Davis used to be a corner... now he's a solid slot reciever for them..... we could do the opposite with Ginn. It's possible. He could be *gasp* Primetime-like.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
                        Why did you even bother posting this?

                        You obviously have never watched him play. While I agree his agility isn't as good as Reggie, I don't think anyone's is. But he is still VERY agile and makes crisps cuts while losing absolutely no speed. (Like stated above)

                        there's no way I'm gonna win againts a Ginn nuthugger.

                        I was just stating the fact btw.

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                        • #27
                          Ginn is not shifty. He has world class speed but he doesn't juke people, he runs by them. Steve Smith is shifty, DeSean Jackson is shifty, Ginn, is fast.

                          That is correct comahan
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                          • #28
                            You can only say Ginn close to Reggie if you only watch highlights.
                            Vince Young is going to prove he's the next overrated QB to come out in years.

                            He'll probably end up being a WR or something...

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                            • #29
                              Alright guys, as many of you know I am a Tedd Ginn Jr. supporter but I did some digging up and here is the "read" that sold me on Ginn.

                              It was written by a well respected, knowledgable guy over at Finheaven (Boomer) who is usually dead on with his predictions. He has a lot of connections in the NFL and with the Dolphins front office so he comes on every now and then to give us some information. I think he has a previous history with scouting too so he stays in contact with a lot of people who look at the draftees on a daily basis.

                              Here is his post on Ginn..

                              In the past 3 hours, whilst chatting draft with CK, I've been watching highlights of Ted Ginn Jr. both at OSU and at high school.

                              I see no way that Miami should pass on him, unless Brady Quinn gets to pick 7. I managed to go 19 minutes and saw him tackled twice. TWO times. 2. In almost 20 minutes. And this was a clip reel, not an individual game tape.

                              He is as phenomenal an athlete as Calvin Johnson. His open field ability is better than anything I think I've ever seen and I've been doing this draft thing for a long time now. What he can do with his body at top speed is off the charts. To change direction, to flip his hips, to control his body and still create yardage, all at high speed, is a joy to watch. The footwork is remarkable.

                              He can reverse a field and out run an entire defense, he can take a reverse , give a defense 10 yards in ground lost and still make the corner before anyone else. When he puts his head down and hits full speed, it's over.

                              Ginn reminds me of Terry Glenn, his rookie year when he had 92 catches, but quicker. People talk about his inability to run routes, but I say hold on; look what he does on those routes. He may not conventionally run them the way say a Hines Ward does, but he is still effective and he can't be stopped when used correctly.

                              People say he can't play press. Well put on the tape of the Texas game. Man coverage against Aaron Ross. Ross, BTW is a great man cover corner, strong at the LOS and very fast. Oh and he won the Thorpe Award. He goes to knock Ginn off his route at the snap and Teddy gives him 3 moves that leave a very good corner, a guy I like a lot, grasping for air as he blows by him for 6. Watch the Cincy game. Antoine Horton does the same thing. But Horton gets his hand on him and pushes him out to the sideline, knocks the timing. Then Ginn gives him a move, a subtle move and then they go out of the shot. Troy Smith steps up, launches the ball down the left sideline and when they come into shot, Ginn has 8 yards on Horton. TD. Over.

                              Him not working out is a blessing in a way. He would run a 4.2. No doubt. The Combine heads, the coaches that love the 40's and the splits, they rue that BCS injury because it stopped two things happening; potentially robbed them of the fastest time at the Combine. And robbed them of breaking the fastest 10 yard split time held by Deion Sanders and Jevon Kearse. I think it's likely that he won't run at all before the draft, so we won't get the true chance to see just how quick he is.

                              Would I have concerns about him running the comeback? Maybe. But he's the son of one of the best coaches in Ohio. This cat knows how to run routes. When you're so fluid as a runner, so quick, then commitment to perfect routes is not nearly as big an issue as it is for a 4.55 guy like Courtney Taylor for example.

                              I wouldn't have any concerns about using him as a flanker, in the slot, on middle screens, on reverses, I would line him up at QB and get him to run out of a single wing formation. You could get the ball in his hands 12/15 times on offense, no problems at all. And as a return man, Devin Hester is good, but Hester didn't lead the nation in punt return average, he didn't lead the nation in kick return average, his career punt average as a collegian was less than Ginn's, as was his career kick return average. And Teddy scored more touchdowns as well.

                              And last time I looked, that's what it's all about.

                              And yes he's skinny but watch tape on him. He breaks more tackles than anyone I can think of. And it's not just walk on safeties. It's top quality linebackers and corners. You better be grounded and have your hips LOW if you're going to take him down one on one. His ability in the open field is like something few teams have. I can't remember the last time Miami did. And as I've said before, the 'Reggie Bush' effect on each play, knowing where he is, what he's doing, will open up huge opportunities, not only for the other wideouts, but for Ronnie and Ricky as well. Why? You can't play him in man without safety help. You just can't.

                              If Miami have seen Brady Quinn go off the board before 7, then unless I'm getting a blockbuster deal, or a deal that affords me the chance to slip down 3 or 4 and still get him, then I'm all over Theodore Ginn Jr. like a cheap suit. I'm convinced that he can have a tremendous impact on this team, if used correctly. And Cam Cameron is an offensive mastermind.

                              It could easily be a very lethal combination.
                              Amazing read and great points on why Ginn would be a great pick..
                              Major props to Boomer

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                              • #30
                                Ginn is a great prospect and in my mind is going to turn out to be a great WR and KR but I think that the #9 pick in the draft is too high for him. Maybe the Dolphins should trade down to somewhere around the 15-20 area if they want to draft him. Ginn will likely still be there and they could get some extra pick(s).
                                The Pro-Ginn arguement can be backed by referring to Steve Smith
                                The Anti-Ginn arguement can be backed with the Troy Williamson reference

                                Personally I think Ginn will probably not be a great #1 WR but rather a great #2 or slot WR. If you can get overly physical with Ginn he will struggle but it only takes Ginn one play with just a little bit of room to get up to speed and poof TD.

                                And to the arguement that his speed won't stick out as much, 4.2 speed is 4.2 speed no matter where you are and he will still be able to get by most with his speed.

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