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    As we are well aware we need help a DE.

    I think we alraed have 2 good young Right Ends in Robinson and Edwards - it is a left end we need with Scott gone and Udeze off-contract next year. I like Jayme Mitchell but we need a real everydown 'do it all' guy. First i thought the trade for Peppers would be perfect but that looks very unlikley, so i have a new idea.
    Chris Long.
    He would be perfect and he is a guy Chilly would love. This would only work if the draft fell like this.

    Miami: Jake Long (they have got Joey Porter and Jason, and specialist pass rushers can be found later in the draft)

    Rams: Gholston (they love him and there is now talk Dorsey is on top of their board)

    Oakland: McFadden (i think this is a bad idea but we know Al Davis - besides they have got a good D, and they have Kalimba Edwards now and Tommy Kelly may still stay at the LE position)

    Falcons: Dorsey (Matt Ryan another option, they spent their 6th overall on Jamall last year and have money already tied up at RE)

    Cheifs: Have two good young ends and need help on the Oline - and Clady could be a reach here --> this is Minni's oppurtunity to strike for Chris Long before the Jets or Pats get a chance.

    According to Trade Chart
    6th overall pick = 1600

    Possible trades
    17th overall pick = 950
    48th overall pick = 420
    74th overall pick = 220

    17th overall pick = 950
    Bryant McKinnie = Cheifs need a LT
    83rd overall pick = 175

    17th overall pick = 950
    74th overall pick = 220
    83rd overall pick = 175
    2009 2nd Round pick

    ect....

    I know for a team that builds through the draft giving up a bunch of picks and putting all eggs in one basket is not ideal, however after our free agency signings we don't have many roster spots left anyway.

    Any thoughts?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Zbikowski_9 View Post
    Any thoughts?
    Yeah, Chris Long's going to last till #5. Riiiight.

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    • #3
      No way on earth Chris Long fall past number 4. It's highly unlikely Miami passes on him at number 1 and no way Al Davis lets Howie's kid slide past him. Your idea would never work.

      Anyone wanting Chris Long would likely have to move up to Miami's spot for him as Miami and St. Louis are both extremely likely to take him.

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      • #4
        There was 'no way' Brady Quinn would fall past Minni if the Browns did pick him first-let alnoe drop out of the top 20.

        There was 'no way' Aaron Rodgers could fall out of the top 5 picks

        the list goes on.

        What I am more getting at is the concept of trading up for him. It could alternativly be a trade with Oakland who don't have a obvious need at DE, already have spent loads of cash (don't need a monster rookie deal) and could be interested in the services.

        Picking in the top 10 is not as glamerous as it use to be now with the contracts needed - so trade downs could become more common.

        If The Phins pass on Chris Long (as they have more glaring needs) he could fall.

        The Rams seem to prefer Gholston as a DE and his numbers at the combine were great. They could also go with Dorsey who they seem to love and move Carriker to the outsied.

        The Raiders Need offensive weapons and after what AD did last year McFadden could look even more attractive. They have massive gaps to fill on the O'Line and would benifit from a trade down - but if that does not happen Clady could be picked. - No one thought Levi Jones would go so early did they.

        The Falcons have more pressing needs and would pass on Long.

        Is it that hard to belive???

        Other scenarios....

        Miami: Gholston Gholston J Long
        St Louis: Dorsey J Long Gholston
        Oakland: J Long McFadden Clady
        Atlanta: Ryan Dorsey Dorsey


        Rather than just write-off the concept add your opions - should Minni make a play for Long? What other scenarios could unfold? ect
        -rather than just sit back and critize like your opinion is the 'be all and end all'
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        • #5
          Dude Brady Quinn and Aaron Rodgers are completely different situations. There's only 1 QB per team and it's a much riskier pick then any other position is. Consider at the very least, 28 out of the 32 teams are content with their QB situations, when they pass on a QB, the player seems to free fall. Same can't be said for DEs.

          Can't believe you said Oakland doesn't have an obvious need at DE. DE might be their biggest need overall.

          Please explain to me what glaring needs Miami has that they would take at number 1 overall Chris Long. Jake Long is the only other pick and there's questions about him. Chris Long is the odds on favorite to be the number 1 pick right now.

          The fact that you even have to come up with 283218053280 reasons for Long to slip just a couple picks shows how highly unlikely it is.

          You have 3 teams in the top 4 who all likely have pass rush at the top of their list in the draft and you really think the best DE in the draft is going to drop past all 3. Not to mention, even if by some stroke of miracle he did, that means Jake Long would be long gone and KC would snap him up in a heartbeat.

          I mean come on bro, you even came up with a situation where the Raiders reach for Ryan Clady just to try to force Chris Long to drop.

          It's not gonna happen. Take it to the bank. Chris Long is a top 4 pick, hands down no questions ask. Al Davis will never let Howie Long's boy get by him and that's if Parcells with his love of DL and his respect for Howie doesn't jump in and get Chris Long 1st.

          You have a better shot at getting Gholston in that spot then Chris Long. Long will never fall there.

          And btw...If you make a post and ask for opinions, don't get upset when you get them. And my opinion is that theres no way you have a shot in hell at Chris Long unless you are trading into the top 2 picks.
          Last edited by Joeyjr09; 03-31-2008, 02:47 AM.

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          • #6
            Peppers isn't worth half the contract he is going to get. Phillip Merling could very well be available at the Viking's 1st round pick though, that would be a better option as he seems to be a very good LDE prospect.

            Although I'm not sure the Vikings have the answer at RDE, I think I'd rather move Robison and/or Edwards to LDE and get an even better pass rusher. But I suppose the Vikes could grab an undersized but quick guy later on, in the mid/late rounds, as a potential pass rush specialist.
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            • #7
              title should be changed...in no where is there any source to any trade taking place....this is the type of false pretense that isn't allowed here.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by thule View Post
                title should be changed...in no where is there any source to any trade taking place....this is the type of false pretense that isn't allowed here.
                Ummm? the thread is about a trade, the idea is to mimmick when they announce a trade on the podium....and who are you to tell people what they can and can't do???

                And to the Ortiz fan i just don't like how people make statements as if they are Ghospel when history tells us that nothing is set in stone. And yes i gave a poor example by only mentioning QBs


                And to the Colts supporter i agree that a punderzied pass rush specialist should be targeted later, similar to Brian Robinson.

                I havn't seen Merling Play before so i just don't know - for all i know he could be just what i want the Vikes to get.

                I know this is probly realy dumb but could Sedrick Ellis play outside at LE? similar to Tommy Kelly. I know he is short and probly doesn't have the seperation speed but when ever i watched USC play he just took centre stage. In a team of so many stars he stood out. If he could play LE for a couple of years he could then move inside when Pat moves on - similar to what Kevin Williams did as a rookie. Just a thought.
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                • #9
                  Zbi has a real problem.

                  Dude, you asked for opinions and then get upset when they are given to you. Don't go trying to neg rep me for it and then act like a little girl just cause you don't like how I word it.

                  Then on top of that, the thread title is completely misleading. The only reason I clicked was to see what trade had gone down, only to find out, there is no trade. This thread should have been titled something along the lines of "Should we move up for C.Long?" If your read the rules of the boards, you know you can't have misleading titles. Don't get mad when someone calls you out for breaking board rules.

                  You need to fix your attitude bro. You got this my sh*t don't stink attitude going on where no one can say anything to you without you trashing them with "You opinion isn't the be all end all" or "Who are you to tell me what I can or can't do". You made a thread, you mistitled it and you asked for opinions. Stop getting upset and starting in with people when you get exactly what you ask for.

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                  • #10
                    raiders would never pass on chris long


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                    • #11
                      i wouldnt be shock if Al Davis trade his next yr 2nd round to move up for Long

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Zbikowski_9 View Post
                        Ummm? the thread is about a trade, the idea is to mimmick when they announce a trade on the podium....and who are you to tell people what they can and can't do???

                        And to the Ortiz fan i just don't like how people make statements as if they are Ghospel when history tells us that nothing is set in stone. And yes i gave a poor example by only mentioning QBs


                        And to the Colts supporter i agree that a punderzied pass rush specialist should be targeted later, similar to Brian Robinson.

                        I havn't seen Merling Play before so i just don't know - for all i know he could be just what i want the Vikes to get.

                        I know this is probly realy dumb but could Sedrick Ellis play outside at LE? similar to Tommy Kelly. I know he is short and probly doesn't have the seperation speed but when ever i watched USC play he just took centre stage. In a team of so many stars he stood out. If he could play LE for a couple of years he could then move inside when Pat moves on - similar to what Kevin Williams did as a rookie. Just a thought.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by thule View Post
                          I'm a team leader and this website has instilled trust and leadership into my name.
                          wow your just like a super hero like the one in your sig. Whith great power comes great responsibility




                          An i am not getting pissed at people for saying there is no chance (that is an unfortunate aspect of typing - no expression) i just want to hear more constructive critisism or actual opinions - not just 'no that would never happen'. It is a hyperthetial of a concept of trading up for Chris Long - i am not saying he will drop - but should the stars allign, would a trade up be on the cards.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zbikowski_9 View Post
                            wow your just like a super hero like the one in your sig. Whith great power comes great responsibility




                            An i am not getting pissed at people for saying there is no chance (that is an unfortunate aspect of typing - no expression) i just want to hear more constructive critisism or actual opinions - not just 'no that would never happen'. It is a hyperthetial of a concept of trading up for Chris Long - i am not saying he will drop - but should the stars allign, would a trade up be on the cards.
                            You might want to go back and read the NFLDC Rules again

                            Section 4a breaks it down

                            4. Do not post information from pay websites (such as ESPN Insider's).

                            a) Further, don't post information without a credible link. If a link doesn't exist, wait until you can find one. Suggesting that event A will happen because you know some people (or worse, because you just KNOW it will) is not acceptable.
                            b) Try only to post relevant information from another article. Don't quote the entire article if the entire article isn't applicable.
                            c) Plagiarism will result in an immediate suspension. Don't do it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by thule View Post
                              You might want to go back and read the NFLDC Rules again

                              Section 4a breaks it down

                              4. Do not post information from pay websites (such as ESPN Insider's).

                              a) Further, don't post information without a credible link. If a link doesn't exist, wait until you can find one. Suggesting that event A will happen because you know some people (or worse, because you just KNOW it will) is not acceptable.
                              b) Try only to post relevant information from another article. Don't quote the entire article if the entire article isn't applicable.
                              c) Plagiarism will result in an immediate suspension. Don't do it.


                              Open 90% of these threads and you will see there is no links. Why would i have link for this it is my idea, i never claimed this to be real - how could i the draft hasn't happened. Your argument is ridiculous
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                              .......--Future Riders in waiting--........
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