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  • #31
    If we were to get Calvin Johnson, it would make sense for us to give Jackson one more year to prove himself. If he can't get it done, we should see what veteran QBs are on the market, or maybe see if any more college QBs develop during the season into NFL prospects.


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    • #32
      i think johnson could turn this team around by himself offensively, he has the potential to be such a force he would make teams have to addapt to cover him creating more room for others and the running game

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      • #33
        I don't think Johnson could turn it around by himself. Just look at Andre Johnson in Houston. Jackson would have to improve.


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        • #34
          the big difference though is that first of all calvin is a much better looing and more highly touted prospect than andre was, not to mention we have a better running game and a better offensive line than houston had

          i think the combination of a great WR, a good line, (at least 3/5s of it) and a pretty darn good running game will help turn this offense around, right now we are missing that WR, if we get that WR itll make all the difference in the world, IMO

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          • #35
            Originally posted by jerthemessiah View Post
            But they didn't flip, hence the Pats line played better. The Vikings gave up more sacks. It wouldn't matter if McKennie was pro bowler too. The right side is terrible.
            Their scheme is better because it's consistent. Howevre player for player
            our lineman have so much more skill , it's not even close.
            McKinnie is a pro bowler (just not last year) Hutch and Birk are very
            close to if not THE premier talents at their positions. The right side
            sucked major donkey, I won't try and deny that , but McKinnie / Birk and
            Hutch are 3 of the best lineman in the game. Our talent is higher , their
            consistent scheme works better...it doesn't mean they have more talent.
            They're just better at utilizing it than we are.

            When I say recievers, I think guys that can catch the ball. It includes TE's and to a much lesser extent the RB's(unless it's a guy like Tiki or L.T.). It's basically the weapons a QB has to work with on passing downs. This includes Graham and Watson. For the Vikes Wiggins and Jimmy.
            Here's every player that caught a pass for N.E. last year.
            Player .....................Catches....Yards
            Reche Caldwell..............61.........760
            Benjamin Watson...........49.........643
            Troy Brown...................43..........384
            Kevin Faulk...................43..........356
            Doug Gabriel.................25..........344
            Daniel Graham...............21..........235
            Laurence Maroney..........22..........194
            David Thomas................11..........159
            Chad Jackson................13..........152
            Corey Dillon..................15...........147
            Jabar Gaffney................11..........142
            Heath Evans..................7............34
            Patrick Pass..................2............24
            Kelvin Kight...................1.............9
            Brandon Childress...........2.............7

            http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/NE

            I'm pretty sure everyone would want to swap WR's and TE's with the Pats that is a Vikes fan. Graham and Watson alone are worth it.
            Why exactly is that ? Perhaps you're confussed as to Graham and Watson's
            actual value as recievers. Watson had 49 catches Wiggins 46 (in an off year)
            Graham had 21 catches Kliensauser and Dugan combined for 13. But you have to take this into context too...we threw to the TE fewer times in 06 than in the previous 3 years by a ton. Watson is the superior talent, but
            he had all of 3 more catches than Wiggins in a Wiggins "down year".
            Brady's talent level around him as far as catching the ball was roughly the same as Johnson and Jackson had to work with in 06. The major difference is that druing "crunch time" they didn't penalize themselves and they kept the ball..got points where we drew flags, turned 3rd and 2 into 3rd and 6..
            threw a 4 yard pass...then punted. Giving up possible points.
            We finished 6-10 but could've very easily been 8-8...which would've put us in the playoffs.
            Run down Dillon ran for 13 TD's compared to the 12 TD's for everyone in Purple. I'd take Maroney and Dillon over any back on the Vikings roster. Dillon if it was for just one year.
            Dillon was the designated goal line back...and good for him that he was able to score that many times.
            But don't for one second think that he was breaking off 20 yard runs every game. The Pats worked the ball down the field methodically and punched it in from a few yards out (the same thing we tried to do, they just did it penalty free) Chester Taylor handled the rock 100 more times than did Dillon and
            managed to average the same amount of yards per touch. Taylor is in a tier
            above Dillon who at this point in his career is nothing more than a part timer.
            I like L.Maroney too (I am a Gopher season ticket holder for the last 15+ seasons) but he's not durable...the Pats are a punishing style of offense and he's just not going to be able to run the ball 250+ times a year.
            Taylor's speed is comparable, and his hands are better...Maroney's vision and
            hip movement is on another level....to me Taylor's durability and ability to
            run between the tackles without a high fumble rate , and better hands out of the backfield makes him the better back. But to each his own.

            The Vikings offense is near sandlot calibur. They have a center, a guard, an ok tackle, and ok running back and questions marks everywhere else.
            That's more likely frustration than logical thought. Look we're all Viking fans and are tired of seeing them out of the playoffs. And this system that's being assembled is now and unfamiliar....which is scary. But the kind
            of people / system we have in place wins. We have to trust it, and not be a perenial Lions or Cardinals who every 2 years run a system then get so frustrated that they throw everything away...having to constantly rebuild.
            Tice did very little for us system wise (just tried copying what Denny did)
            Childress is doing the same thing...for the most part but what good right now
            would it do to scrap it all again , before we really understand what it is this team is trying to do.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by andyjo672 View Post
              How can you say "thats just a sad fact." How in any way is that fact? I mean really, you can't just throw that word around. Its really annoying. Because you make comparisons that in no way can be made yet, you simply say that is "fact"

              Also, why do your responses come up on here as if you hit the "enter" button half way through most of your sentences so that they're broken up and difficult to read? Is it some sort of tactic to make people not read your responses because its a hassle and thus not allow them to see that you make no points whatsoever and simply claim it as fact?
              Oohh I don't know , how about the same guy who eleveated Brady's game (Charlie Weiss) moulded Quinn into a Bradyesque clone.
              41 td's 7 picks...you make the connection.
              I said he's more like Brady than Jackson or Bollinger..which is a fact, unless of course Jackson or Bolllinger studied under Weiss and or Billichek and no one seems to know it but you...it's a fact.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by crazyisme View Post
                i think johnson could turn this team around by himself offensively, he has the potential to be such a force he would make teams have to addapt to cover him creating more room for others and the running game
                This and this reason alone is why Viking fans think they know what they want when they want Calvin Johnson...just think about this "he can do it all himself" thinking. If he was soooooo good that he could dominate games AT THE PRO LEVEL by himself..they how exactly did the Yellow Jackets every lose a game ???? He's good, he's not a God...get off his jock.
                We run a WCO , we're not trading up for a WR who wouldn't fit the offense we currently have here. He's a vertical WR, not a short possession guy..he shys away from contact....and is going to be a Moss type WR in the NFL.
                A guy who runs the deep outs the deep comeback and the post / fly route.
                He could even be a guy who you can use at the goal line. If Tice were
                still here or Denny then he'd be the perfect fit because that was the type of offense we ran. Now we throw 3-6 yard quick slants and flat passes ...CJ would be an utter waste here , except for the 2 fly patterns we run a game.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by crazyisme View Post
                  the big difference though is that first of all calvin is a much better looing and more highly touted prospect than andre was, not to mention we have a better running game and a better offensive line than houston had

                  i think the combination of a great WR, a good line, (at least 3/5s of it) and a pretty darn good running game will help turn this offense around, right now we are missing that WR, if we get that WR itll make all the difference in the world, IMO
                  Also incorrect. Andre Johnson was very much on the same level leaving school as was Johnson. In fact Johnson had helped lead the Caines to a Nat'l Championship game. Andre Johnson and Randy Moss both out of college were better prepared and better WR's than CJ.

                  Putting Calvin Johnson on last years team wasn't giong to win us any more games.

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                  • #39
                    Putting CJ on the team last year and he wins us 0-6 more games last year, how many games were we close to winning in the last quater? lets see Bills, First Chicago game, 49ers, Packers(both games),dolphins ... now CJ isnt a miracle worker and cant win by himself but having him a RELIABLE deep threat in the passsing game would have been a world of a difference late in all the close games we had.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Severe Punishment View Post
                      Also incorrect. Andre Johnson was very much on the same level leaving school as was Johnson. In fact Johnson had helped lead the Caines to a Nat'l Championship game. Andre Johnson and Randy Moss both out of college were better prepared and better WR's than CJ.

                      Putting Calvin Johnson on last years team wasn't giong to win us any more games.


                      you are completely and absolutely WRONG on this, as usual severe. Calvin is much more thought of than Andre was and either way, Andre could easily have a similar effect as Calvin would on this team, he would also change this team around.

                      We run a WCO , we're not trading up for a WR who wouldn't fit the offense we currently have here. He's a vertical WR, not a short possession guy..he shys away from contact....and is going to be a Moss type WR in the NFL.
                      this just makes you lose the very little credibility you had, this is the dumbest statement i have ever read in my life, i honest to god think that a 4th grader with downs syndrome is smarter than you (no offense to kids like that, its a terrible disease!) you are a flat out idiot severe, bottom line, you know absolutely nothing

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by crazyisme View Post
                        you are completely and absolutely WRONG on this, as usual severe. Calvin is much more thought of than Andre was and either way, Andre could easily have a similar effect as Calvin would on this team, he would also change this team around.
                        Your man lust for CJ is out of control...seek help.
                        Calvin Johnson was a very good prospect on a horrible team with very little
                        options. That's one main reason he was thrown at 70+ times.
                        Andre Johnson is just as good as CJ. If Miami was as bad a program as
                        GT has been ...then perhaps fewer blue chip recruits might have gone to Da U and they wouldn't have sent 16 players in the NFL in 2001...and guys
                        like Willis McGahee would've gone elsewhere...leaving Andre to fill a larger role in Miami's offense. Oh well could've should've,whatever..your assestment of football prospects is horrible, the only thing worse I'd say is your bombardment of trade scenario's on here. You're obviously in junior high.

                        This just makes you lose the very little credibility you had, this is the dumbest statement i have ever read in my life, i honest to god think that a 4th grader with downs syndrome is smarter than you (no offense to kids like that, its a terrible disease!) you are a flat out idiot severe, bottom line, you know absolutely nothing
                        I wish you had any credibility so might take it from you.
                        The rest of this tantrum is going to get you a warning from a mod.
                        Good day.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Crazy_Chris View Post
                          Putting CJ on the team last year and he wins us 0-6 more games last year, how many games were we close to winning in the last quater? lets see Bills, First Chicago game, 49ers, Packers(both games),dolphins ... now CJ isnt a miracle worker and cant win by himself but having him a RELIABLE deep threat in the passsing game would have been a world of a difference late in all the close games we had.
                          Speculation...nothing more. If we had 1 WR to catch the ball last year it might've helped, might not have. Taylor had at least 5 first downs called back because of holding or other various penalties. This team needs to figure out how to sustain a drive without a penalty before they can start worrying about how to get the ball into the endzone.

                          The only thing I'll agree with is "CJ is not a miracle worker" ...you're absolutely right..the sooner people in here figure this out, the better.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Severe Punishment View Post
                            Speculation...nothing more. If we had 1 WR to catch the ball last year it might've helped, might not have. Taylor had at least 5 first downs called back because of holding or other various penalties. This team needs to figure out how to sustain a drive without a penalty before they can start worrying about how to get the ball into the endzone.

                            The only thing I'll agree with is "CJ is not a miracle worker" ...you're absolutely right..the sooner people in here figure this out, the better.
                            Speculation? Just like your comment about how because Brady Quinn studied under Weiss it is a FACT that he will likely do better in the NFL. Yet another contradiction from the man who claims to be more intelligent just because he takes the side as the Devil's Advocate.

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                            • #44
                              I know Calvin Johnson is not a miracle worker. I know he couldn't take the Vikes offense into the top half of the league by himself. I have to believe theat Tarvaris Jackson will be improved after an offseasons worth of work and studying, and a bout through training camp. Jackson won't be a rookie anymore, and he should have some confidence if he is convinced that he is Childress' guy. We could make Calvin Johnson one of the foundations of our offense.


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                              • #45
                                All this Calvin Johnson talk is worthless anyways..as we're not trading up to get him, and he's not falling to 7.

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