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    OK, so we have at leasted added some UDFA, and most look like specialist Zone Blockers, so i am very releived however we need imediate help, not just on the right side but for deph. Imagine if Bryant or Hutch went IR in training camp, we would be screwed 3 wins max wouldn't suprise me.

    We need to add a quality Tackle who can start at RT, push Marcus to RG to create some competion and we have a real quality line with some options should injury strike. I would rather add two but at least one quality lineman will be a dramatic improvement.

    My suggestion. Kevin Shafter. The Browns are pretty stacked now and i think they would be willing to deal him for a reasonable price. He would be great at RT for us and LT if nessassary. It gives time for Cook, Marcus and our Rookies to develope and as we all know you don't have to be drafted at all, let alone early to become a great O-Lineman.
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  • #2
    yeah the RG and RT spots are still pretty up in the air. But I want to leave Cook there. I think he could still be real good.Hes quick and has excellent footwork. He needs to work on his technique and getting up from the snap, especially on some of the quicker ends. But I think he has loads of potential to be the RT for us.

    RG is my biggest concern. I think Cook could be better than hicks this year. However, if we get decent play from Cook at RT, I think that'll also help Hicks out.

    I was slightly disappointed that we didnt go after a RG in the draft, with Beekman still around for our 2nd 4th round pick, i was a little disappointed that we traded that away. However, getting a next years 3rd and Rufus Alexander in the deal makes me pretty happy. Hopefully there is a plan because something has to happen to help that right side out.

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    • #3
      Why we would go with a ZBS 100% of the time is stupid. Why then give big money to 3 guys who are straight on punishers ?

      The waste of talent and money continues.

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      • #4
        Yeah, we have maulers and a potentially great RB and we are going ZBS. ******* Childress is clueless.


        Props to BK on the sig!

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        • #5
          Well because most west coast teams use zone blocking. That is why generally west coast teams dont need great lineman.

          Personally Ive never been a huge fan of the west coast offense, i think just like anything else. Something works until everyone uses it then it becomes predictable, But the cover 2 and a west coast offense is about the two most generic vanilla schemes in all of football. When 70 % of offenses use a west coast offense and atleast 60 % of defenses use the cover 2. Add in the fact you dont have many diffrence makers you have a 6-10 at best team. The vikings offense was ordinary with out robert smith and before Randy Moss. We proved before we dont need a super qb to be a good to great offense as long as you have play makers
          As far as our line goes do players get a chance to improve or do we give them one year and if they arent all stars in their first year we cut them

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          • #6
            Well because most west coast teams use zone blocking. That is why generally west coast teams dont need great lineman.
            Did you even bother READING what was said ?
            If you don't need great lineman...then why pay Hutch, McKinney and Birk
            (3 maulers) ?????????????


            This board must be filled with teenaged kids.

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            • #7
              Personally I think atleast 2 of those three are over ratedand over paid. And I was simply commenting on the fact why are we using 100 % zone blocking.
              Because that is one of the defining features of the west coast Offense. I wouldnt call McKinnie a mauler. The guy is a mediocre tackle at best. And Birk is good to very good if he stays healthy. But that too is becoming a reoccuring theme. We have ALOT of IF AND BUTS.

              IF Adrian Peterson stays healthy
              IF Tavaris matures
              IF Chester doesnt fumble
              IF the right side of the line Matures
              Our whole season depends on IFS AND BUTS

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              • #8
                McKinnie a Mediocre Tackle, Are you Nuts?? McKinnie is a BEAST he is a pro-bowl Caliber OT he had a down year(wasn't even a very bad one) Id be willing to put McKinnie in as a Top 5 LT in the league if not that definatly top 10.... and Birk is a great Center he also is a Top center in this league

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                • #9
                  Top 5? interesting lets see
                  Chris Samuels
                  Walter Jones
                  Orlando Pace
                  Jonathon Ogden
                  Tarik Glenn
                  Marcus McNeil
                  Willie anderson
                  Flozell Adams
                  Matt Light
                  Luke Pettigot
                  Uhm................Ya sure hes even in the top half?

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                  • #10
                    Your also sure Chester Taylor is a top 10 back
                    When Im not sure hes in the top ten in the confrence hardly the league
                    he is how ever in the top 3 in our division because Jones got hurt otherwise he would of been the worst in our own division last year
                    Clinton Portis
                    Brian Westbrook
                    JuliusJones
                    Tiki Barber
                    Steven Jackson
                    Frank Gore
                    AhmanGreen
                    Edgrin James
                    Duece McCallister
                    Reggie Bush
                    Warrick Dunn
                    Thomas Jones
                    Just to name a few backs Id pick in front of Chester Taylor

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                    • #11
                      We are going Zone blocking I believe because

                      A. we wont need to waste any morebig dollars on offensive linemen
                      B. it will allow the moneywe have already spent to be more effective
                      c it will allow our new linemen togain confidence quicklyina simply scheme

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kid_Ego View Post
                        Personally I think atleast 2 of those three are over ratedand over paid. And I was simply commenting on the fact why are we using 100 % zone blocking.
                        Because that is one of the defining features of the west coast Offense. I wouldnt call McKinnie a mauler. The guy is a mediocre tackle at best. And Birk is good to very good if he stays healthy. But that too is becoming a reoccuring theme. We have ALOT of IF AND BUTS.

                        IF Adrian Peterson stays healthy
                        IF Tavaris matures
                        IF Chester doesnt fumble
                        IF the right side of the line Matures
                        Our whole season depends on IFS AND BUTS
                        Way to give cliff notes on what that "wogialita" guy said in another thread. only this time you didn't even bother giving him his credit for thinking of it first.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kid_Ego View Post
                          Top 5? interesting lets see
                          Chris Samuels
                          Walter Jones
                          Orlando Pace
                          Jonathon Ogden
                          Byrant McKennie(this is where he belongs)
                          Tarik Glenn
                          Marcus McNeil
                          Willie anderson
                          Flozell Adams
                          Matt Light
                          Luke Pettigot
                          Uhm................Ya sure hes even in the top half?
                          you have got to be kidding me if you tell me the others are better than him i would take Byrant McKennie Any Day over all the Tackles below him on that little list... And Marcus McNeil ??? seriously something wrong with you if you put a rookie with ONE good year that high on the list

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                          • #14
                            Simple The guy has paved the way for 2 first round picks who both seem alot more average now that hes not in front of them. And oh yeah the man who put on a clinic last year at the running back postion. Wonder where LT puts him my guess is alot higher like all the fine folks who voted him to the probowl last year dipshit. Gee where was McKinney and Chester during the probowl last year?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kid_Ego View Post
                              Your also sure Chester Taylor is a top 10 back
                              When Im not sure hes in the top ten in the confrence hardly the league
                              he is how ever in the top 3 in our division because Jones got hurt otherwise he would of been the worst in our own division last year
                              Clinton Portis
                              Brian Westbrook
                              JuliusJones
                              Tiki Barber
                              Steven Jackson
                              Frank Gore
                              AhmanGreen
                              Edgrin James
                              Duece McCallister
                              Reggie Bush
                              Warrick Dunn
                              Thomas Jones
                              Just to name a few backs Id pick in front of Chester Taylor
                              No one in this Minneasota Vikings thread has ever suggested that Chester Taylor is a Top 10 back in the league but to look at your list its extremely wrong i mean you lose ALL credibility when you dont put LT and Larry Johnson on the list... this is what it should look like

                              1.LT
                              2.Larry Johnson
                              3.Stephen Jackson
                              4.Tiki Barber(now retired but would be this high)
                              5.Shaun Alexander(Will bounce back from injury plagued year)
                              6.Clinton Portis
                              7.Edgerin James
                              8.Brian Westbrook
                              9.Frank Gore(only reason he's here is 1700 yds too much to ignore)
                              10.Jamal Lewis(slowing down But turned it on at the end of the season and is still good)

                              to be a top 10 back in the league you must produce for more than just One year hence None of the rookies or Break out RBs should be on there other than Frank Gore... and why did you even bring up RB's here this thred is about O-line not Chester Taylor or RB's
                              Last edited by Crazy_Chris; 05-03-2007, 07:57 PM.

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