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  • If we trade Gallo in a Melo deal I'd watch more Nuggets games than I do now...when homerism goes to far?

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    • I'm not sure if I like Amare playing C most of the time.

      If I'm building a team, I want 2 stars that play SF and PF, a thug at C. A sharp shooter at SG and a pass first PG that can knock down a 3.

      If we can get Melo, hopefully we can play Felton, Fields, Melo, Amare, Turiaf to start, sometimes subbing in Chandler at SF (if he doesn't go) for Turiaf and bumping everyone else up, against smaller lineups.

      I think Fields would be better on the bench, but we really don't have a better option for SG right now and I do like his unselfish game.

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      • The offense looks better than ever without Gallo....

        We desperately need a backup PG. Amare and Felton are playing way too many minutes, if we don't give these guys some rest they're going to break down.

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        • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
          The offense looks better than ever without Gallo....

          We desperately need a backup PG. Amare and Felton are playing way too many minutes, if we don't give these guys some rest they're going to break down.
          Haha, it's more about the Suns being crap than the offense being better without Gallo.

          Felton could certainly use some rest, but he also needs to stop with the turnovers. It's going to become an issue if he doesn't ease up soon. Amar'e got a nice rest yesterday but Felton still played too many minutes considering it was a blow out.
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          • Felton always plays too many minutes, bc we have no backup PG at all. Douglas isn't a PG. We desperately need another body back there.

            We have 2 expiring contracts coming up don't we? We need to trade 1 for a backup PG.

            If we have no chance of trading for Melo, then we need to trade our other expiring contract for a backup Center. Maybe package Gallo + expiring contract for a quality Center.

            I know you guys love Gallo, but if we have to lose either Gallo or Chandler in some moves to improve the overall team, I choose moving Gallo. Chandler is just better than him, I rather keep Chandler.

            Plus my thinking is Gallo would have higher trade value bc of his youth.

            Mozgov is so horrible. He should never see the court.

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            • I know in a perfect world we want to keep both, but realistically we can't. And I'm choosing Chandler over Gallo, it's that simple to me.

              I know Chandler's contract is coming up sooner, but that won't change the fact that we probably won't be able to resign both of these guys to long term contracts moving forward.

              So let's assume there's 2 scenarios:

              1. We get Melo
              2. We don't get Melo.

              In scenario 2, you basically have to keep the better of the 2 guys, which is Chandler, and move your expiring contracts plus Gallo to fill out the rest of the team.

              To do that, we'll need a backup PG and a quality defensive Center. That gives Felton his rest, plus now we can use Turiaf as a bench guy who can come in and play hard defense for 20 minutes a game and give us 6 fouls, which is probably his best role. The starting Center can play harder too bc we can always rotate him with Turiaf, and we'll always have a defensive presence in the middle that will allow Amare to do what he does, which is roam and block shots.

              It greatly improves the overall unit. Sure, we lose a scorer on the court when we lose Gallo, but we gain so much more defensively. Plus, I think when we come out with Gallo, Felton, Amare, and Chandler, that's too many bodies who demand the ball at once. Once Gallo got hurt Chandler and Felton commanded more on offense and our offense actually looks better for it. I also think moving forward Fields will work on his game (primarily his jumpshot) and we won't miss a beat.

              Now in the first scenario, where we get Melo, the whole scenario changes a little. We can give both Felton and Amare more rest by default bc we'll have a capable scorer who can take over games by himself so we won't need Amare and Felton on the floor all the time. And contrarily, Melo can get his rest bc we won't need him all the time with Felton and Amare on the court.

              But our bench probably suffers in the process. But I don't mind that. Your bench is just important to get you into the playoffs. They get quality minutes in the regular season and keep your guys fresh. But come postseason, it's all about your starters.

              I rather have a better starting 5 than have a better bench, so I'll take that trade off.

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              • It's really speculative at this point. I'd like to see how they keep playing from here on out with no Gallo. It's basically been two games.

                Overall, I want to see how things go once we get deep into the season. If Felton continues to turn the ball over too much we may have to look at other options like Chris Paul. Not sure if we could get him, but it would certainly be worth looking into.
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                • Originally posted by Forenci View Post
                  It's really speculative at this point. I'd like to see how they keep playing from here on out with no Gallo. It's basically been two games.

                  Overall, I want to see how things go once we get deep into the season. If Felton continues to turn the ball over too much we may have to look at other options like Chris Paul. Not sure if we could get him, but it would certainly be worth looking into.
                  Paul scares me with that knee. I like Felton, I think he's good enough at PG, if we're going to go after another star, it's Melo or bust to me. I'm a HUGE Paul fan, but I'm just scared of that knee right now. And does he really improve our team THAT much? I'm not so sure anymore, Felton is playing like a top tier PG.

                  I honestly think we need Melo if we want to be considered legitimate Championship contenders. Without him, we'll always be pretenders until we draft a star to pair with Amare.

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                  • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                    Paul scares me with that knee. I like Felton, I think he's good enough at PG, if we're going to go after another star, it's Melo or bust to me. I'm a HUGE Paul fan, but I'm just scared of that knee right now. And does he really improve our team THAT much? I'm not so sure anymore, Felton is playing like a top tier PG.

                    I honestly think we need Melo if we want to be considered legitimate Championship contenders. Without him, we'll always be pretenders until we draft a star to pair with Amare.
                    Paul is a million times better than Felton. It's really not even close. I agree about his health though. He may just need some more time to recover from it. Even without healthy knees he's still having an MVP type season. Or was for a good portion of the season.

                    As much as I like Melo, he does have some deficiencies as a player. He's very one dimensional, unlike a lot of the other superstars in the NBA. Granted, he does that one thing extremely well, but he scares me a little.
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                    • Originally posted by Forenci View Post
                      Paul is a million times better than Felton. It's really not even close. I agree about his health though. He may just need some more time to recover from it. Even without healthy knees he's still having an MVP type season. Or was for a good portion of the season.

                      As much as I like Melo, he does have some deficiencies as a player. He's very one dimensional, unlike a lot of the other superstars in the NBA. Granted, he does that one thing extremely well, but he scares me a little.
                      Oh, trust me, I know Paul is a million times better. But is a Paul/Amare duo enough to win a championship? I don't think so.

                      Now if we have Amare/Melo with Felton as the PG, I think that has a better chance.

                      Melo sucks on defense, but hell, let's be honest, we don't play defense anyway right now. And who knows, maybe playing in NY inspires him to get tougher. Amare looks much tougher now than he ever did in Phoenix. So maybe he gets a similar jump start.

                      I think he'll learn how to pass better in NY too. He has to, if he learns how to pass out of that post up, he'll be so deadly. It's not hard Melo, find open guy, throw to open guy. It's not a difficult concept.

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                      • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                        Oh, trust me, I know Paul is a million times better. But is a Paul/Amare duo enough to win a championship? I don't think so.

                        Now if we have Amare/Melo with Felton as the PG, I think that has a better chance.

                        Melo sucks on defense, but hell, let's be honest, we don't play defense anyway right now. And who knows, maybe playing in NY inspires him to get tougher. Amare looks much tougher now than he ever did in Phoenix. So maybe he gets a similar jump start.

                        I think he'll learn how to pass better in NY too. He has to, if he learns how to pass out of that post up, he'll be so deadly. It's not hard Melo, find open guy, throw to open guy. It's not a difficult concept.
                        I don't see it. Melo has never been a good passer. He just doesn't have the court vision, ability or willingness to pass like other superstars like LeBron, Wade and others.
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                        • Originally posted by Forenci View Post
                          I don't see it. Melo has never been a good passer. He just doesn't have the court vision, ability or willingness to pass like other superstars like LeBron, Wade and others.
                          To be fair, he's never played with a Stoudemire or Felton. Maybe he'll be more inclined to pass with them on the roster.

                          It's probably wishful thinking on my part.

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                          • This west coast road trip has been brutal. I haven't seen any of the games bc they're all so late.

                            Can't wait until they come back east. I might try to get some cheap tickets and go to another game. I love the Garden, it's the best stadium I've ever been to. There's just nothing like the Garden.

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                            • Was the Turiaf steal (travel), outlet to Felton, pass to fields, oop to Wil for the one-handed throwdown, Amare trailing screaming the play of the year?

                              I think so.

                              Four players touched the ball and the one who didn't was the ******* league MVP - and he was screaming because he was so pumped up.

                              ******* awesome.
                              "I'm Ko Simpson!"

                              - Ko Simpson

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                              • Sick play. I know there are other players out there with better stats than Amare, but he is clearly the MVP in my eyes. No player has even come close to his impact for the Knicks this year. That's what MVP is all about.

                                To me it's Amare by a fairly significant margin.

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