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  • Originally posted by THav916
    Originally posted by richdg
    Stop talking about trading Porter. It is not going to happen. Yes, he is not the player he once was. The problem is, no one is going to give us anything for him. He has little value as trade bait. To old, to expensive, and if a team really wants him, all they have to do is wait. He may get cut.

    Tonight is the MAC championship game. Watch #93 for CMU. That is Dan Bazian. He is a 4-3 DE, but might be able to play OLB like Kevin Greene did. Similier size, skills, and attitude. he doesn't give up. He will chase the ball all night long. That is the type of player we need more of. Guys that give 100% every game, all game.

    It is a waste of time to talk about names. We don't know who is available yet. Yes, there are dozens of players that can help. But, we don't know which juniors are coming out, we don't know were we will be drafting yet, and we don't know how much (if any) cap space we will have. I know it has been a long year. But we don't know anything yet, we don't even know who ar ecoach is for next year. Be patient. All will become clear over the next 2 months.

    I will say this. If anyone in the front office is listening, play the young guys!!!!!!! Find out who can cut it and who can't. the season is over. Play Kemo, Colon, Smith, Wallace, and Harrison.
    I agree. I'd love to trade Joey Porter. But trades just don't happen in the NFL. Not at the regularity to predict it to happen, for such a high round pick, and then base our draft around it happening. He's aging, on the decline, and too many players get cut and can be had for no picks at all.

    I'm all for the thought of, "If we can trade Porter, do it..........but I doubt it's gonna happen" theory.

    And also agree about the young guys. Would really like to see Rian Wallace play. Essex is another one u didnt mention and I'd even give Simmons a shot at center. Why not?!?
    The only problem with playing all the young guys is, The idea in the NFL is to win and not give up. Yes it's highly unlikely we will make the playoffs, but I see no advantage to throwing in guys who are going to make mistakes against some good defenses and really bring our team down. We need to have our regular guys step it up so we can possibly get some trades. They are all getting paid big money to play not sit on the bench. Besides I don't want to watch preseason football in the middle of december. Steelers fans are about pride not throwing in the towel. You play until your done for the year. Plus if you start changing players all around you really risk hurting some other key players. You test the younger guys out in preseason, not against probowlers and regulars halfway into a season.

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    • I know that trades don't happen very often in the NFL, but I do think that Joey Porter could very well be traded this offseason. However, thats basically dependant on him holding out for a better contract. He almost held out this past year and cowher talked him out of it, but this year that may not happen. Unless Porter realizes that he's played pretty bad this year and just takes what we give him and shuts his mouth (yeah right), he might try to get out of Pittsburgh. I could easily see a Deion Branch like scenario this offseason for us.

      Plus he's 30, so he probably wants a nice big contract to ensure his job safety for several more years because a 31 year old free agent isnt gong to garner a whole lot of attention and get him that contract he desires. It's probably in his best interest to try and find a team who is willing to pay for a veteran and former star like himself, cause we certainly wont pay him a large contract. I could see a team like San Fran or the Jets (who are trying to switch to the 3-4) pick him up for a 2nd rounder easily.

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      • I wouldn't mind Porter being traded, however, after a bad season like he has been having, some guys tend to bounce back strong the next year. If we get the opportunity, trade him, if not, then we still get a pretty decent OLB.

        thanks to steel man for the fresh sig

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        • Mr Stiller:

          Here is a chart of draft pick values. I thought you might like this since you do alot of mock drafts and often include trades. This will help you make very realistic trades in your mocks.

          http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8358748

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          • Originally posted by TerribleEd
            Mr Stiller:

            Here is a chart of draft pick values. I thought you might like this since you do alot of mock drafts and often include trades. This will help you make very realistic trades in your mocks.

            http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8358748
            i have one.. but even so, it's not an exact science.. trading a round 1 pick for 2 later 1st round picks is do able.

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            • I really can't see Porter being traded. Thats just not something I can see the Steelers doing.

              As for trading our 1st rounder for NE's two, why would they do it? They are a team that has a ton of talent and they'd probably love to add two guys liater in the first round rather than just a superstar early. They have some holes in their linebackers, secondary and recievers. Tehy need multiple picks not one high one.

              Thanks to The Dynasty for the sig

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              • Why would we not play the younger guys. We are losing with the older players. The worst part is, it is are best players that are playing the worst. Porter, Haggans, Farrior, M. Smith, Hartings, Taylor and Simmons have all played poorly. Troy, Ward, and Ben have been hurt off and on all year. Most players drop off after they turn 30. It is a fact. Very few still play great into their 30's. QB's are the lone exception. If we go throw our roster, and look at the starters over 30, we find a third of our team. Faneca, M. Smith, Hartings, Ward, A. Smith, Porter, Haggans, and Farrior. These players are all starters, take up better than half of our cap, and all will start to drop in production. At this time, all have trade value. But trading any of them is tough to do. The cap hit for both teams is step. If any are traded, it also creates a hole. So you need to picks for each one. 1 to replace the traded player and 1 to upgrade another spot.
                As for supp. picks, at most they will be 6th rounders. nothing to get real excited about. In fact all of day 2 is a crap shoot. Something like 94% of all the players in the NFL come from day 1. I stead of trying to have a lot of picks, we need 5 picks on day 1. The goal would be 2 OLmen, 1 LB, 1 power RB, and a big WR. Before the draft last year, everyone said I was wrong for wanting a big WR. Fact of the matter is, size does matter. A big WR is always open, because of his size. Small WR get to beat up to be depended on game after game. How many games has S. Smith missed the last 3 years? How has Carolina played with him gone? Do we really want to be handicapped for a third of the season?

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                • Let's atlk about who the coach is going to be. Untill we know that we don't know what systems are going to be used. if you don't know the systems, we don't really know which players are going to fit. If the next coach runs a 4-3, we need more DLmen, not LB's. If we are going to throw the ball more, we need great pass blocking Olmen. If it is a running attack we need bulldozers. So who is the next coach? Is Cowher in fact going to leave?
                  A name that iw ill throw out is Carroll. Why not? He isn't going to leave USC for a bad team. He might leave if he can go to a good team. Yes, he is stuck on staying home, but money talks.

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                  • I don't see Cowher going anywhere. He is too much of a competitor to leave after such a crappy season. The next coach will be Wisenhunt I think, and I believe that will be in two seasons.

                    thanks to steel man for the fresh sig

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                    • Originally posted by mikehop05
                      I don't see Cowher going anywhere. He is too much of a competitor to leave after such a crappy season. The next coach will be Wisenhunt I think, and I believe that will be in two seasons.
                      if we take Wiz up to HC, I am scared of how powerful our offense could be... Him and a good OC behind him, would be rediculous. He'd let LeBeau do his 3-4 still.

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                      • i know this is lookking ahead... i Really like Jeremy Young of Southern Miss at QB.. He's a 6'4 200lb QB that can scramble but has good poise, fast, and can stay in the pocket.. accurate, strong arm.

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                        • I cannot wait until everyone in Pittsburgh thinks Ben is the man again. It's just a matter of time.

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                          • Originally posted by TerribleEd
                            I cannot wait until everyone in Pittsburgh thinks Ben is the man again. It's just a matter of time.
                            I never stopped thinking that.

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                            • Same here, I have been behind Ben 100% since he started.

                              I get so pissed when they rank Eli and Philip as better quaterbacks then he is.

                              And yeah Stiller, if Wiz is the HC we are gonna put up colt-like numbers, and on another note... Don't be surprsied if Ben starts going no huddle more, after seeing him direct the offense against CLE and BAL, I have to say that he is one of the smarter QB's in the leuage, not to mention physically talented.

                              thanks to steel man for the fresh sig

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                              • Trade Down from #9 to #13 and #13 in round 3.

                                1) Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC
                                • We got Santonio for WR in round 1 last year. We're still thin on talent at the position. Hines is getting older and eventually his body isn't going to allow him to get smashed on every play. Santonio looks like a Career #2. Thats not bad though, look at Reggie Wayne. I think Santonio is set at #2 and he'll light it up. Ced Wilson is our three and as much as I'd hope he'd explode out this season, he has, but not like I meant. He's dropped very catchable passes, made bonehead plays, and although he got screwed on his catch in the oakland game, he expects a call everytime he doesn't make a play. I think We are using 3 and 4 reciever sets more and we need to upgrade. Nate Washington has showed glimpses of solidness, but he's really untested and unproven. He's had some dropsies. He looks like he could be a solid #4. I think thats where he may be best serving. Willie Reid hasn't had a chance to prove he can play WR for us yet. So at this point i'm looking at him as only a return Specialist.

                                2) Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan

                                • Joe Staley is the best Tackle not to recieve 1st round grade. He could eventually make a run for LT. He's athletic and built. With Starks having issues with smaller athletic DE's I think Staley could come in after a year and out work Starks. Essex and Starks have weight problems and haven't shown me that they deserve the spot. Staley is a Pitt fan and he's a give it all kid. You won't find a better team player.

                                3a) Tony Hunt,RB, PSU

                                • Alot of people are calling for a bruiser. We need a short yardage guy. I was toying with signing a vet like Ladell Betts or Anthony Thomas, but they'll probably be expecting bigger money than I'm willing to offer. With Willie as Feature back, Najeh as our 3rd down back/Screen back/ KR, and Tony Hunt as our short yardage guy and splitting 3rd down time. I've watched a lot of Hunt. He won't put up huge 40' and will drop him. We know what he can offer and we know that his skillset is perfect. He has great hands, good vision, good cutback, and he has the ability to just bounce off defenders, I haven't seen many other guys just get hit 5-6 times before their finally tackled.

                                3b) Tanard Jackson, CB, Syracuse

                                • Being completely honest, he may not be here at this pick. He's accepted a senior bowl invite and I think the country will see how good he is. I think he could be Rashean Mathis in a few years. He's not as good coming out, but with some work and polishing, he could be a shutdown #2. I think McFadden could stay at Nickel for a while. He has trouble with faster WR's and I think he should cover the slot. Ike is a solid #1. Tanard would be an amazing #2. Bryant at #3, and Anthony Madison/Ricardo Colclough battle it out for #4.

                                4a) Brian Smith, OLB, Missouri

                                • Brian Smith reminds me of Adalius Thomas. He can Rush the passer, strong against the run, and I think he could jam the Slot reciever. He has solid size. I think at first, he and James Harrison will be top tier backups, but watch out for when he starts. He's 6'4 250lbs. I think He'll give us a solid pass rusher for the future, we're lucky he broke his hip.


                                4b)Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson


                                • Nathan Bennett may be our best choice at guard in the entire draft. At 6'5 and 310 I think he's more than Athletic enough to play RG and pull. Fast enough to get out and block in front of Willie. I like Keomeatu but i think he may be too big for our offensive scheme. Bennett and Joe Staley anchoring the right side of the line has me really excited. I originally had him as a 5th rounder, but the more I think of it

                                5a) Ryan Kalil, OC, USC

                                • I know it's looking as if it's an incredibly USC focused draft and it is. Ryan Kalil has been really winning me over lately. He's athletic, smart, and he's a great blocker. I was hesitant to take him over Mozes. I think He'll be better for our offense as he seems more prone to our style. I think this is a solid Pickup so we have quite a few choices for next season.

                                5b)Deyon Williams, WR, Virginia


                                • Deyon is a speedster with underrated hands. I had originally thought Nate Bennett would fall here, but i doubt thats the case. We Take him a round earlier meaning we can't grab steve smith. Deyon has size. 6'3 size. Meaning all our WR's will be over 6'0. Santonio and Deyon would be our speedsters, Hines,Nate, Dwayne would be our go to guys.

                                6a) Eric Foster, ILB, Rutgers

                                • Eric could very well make the transition for 3-4 ILB. In fact I think he's perfect for it. He's 6'3 265 lbs. I'm sure he'll be more than fast enough, and since he's played DT he knows how to disengage opposing offensive lineman. Sliding him back he will be able to diagnose the play and make an impact. He has played 6 years at ILB (2 in college 4 in HS). I'm quite sure that he'll be able to do it.

                                6b) Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware


                                • Ben Patrick is the quite possibly the most stout of the TE's in this draft. He's looking almost Defensive end size. 6'4 270lbs. He's a solid Blocker, and he still has the speed to go out and make a catch. We've all talked about Daniel Graham. I think he's trying to escape NE looking for someone in need of a TE (Bengals, Carolina). I think he could make the starting squad at least as #3 at first.

                                7) Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE, Hawaii

                                • Rare blend of strength and speed at the 3-4 DE position in Hawaii. Has held the point very well in the games I saw. Could be a developemental prospect. I think he'll prove to be a better later round pickup than Harris and Nua.


                                All this said, we just sign our FA's back. Rodney Bailey, Najeh, Tyrone Carter.

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