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  • Originally posted by Menardo75 View Post
    How is he not an elite prospect? What makes Landry elite and Mays not?
    Some of the things that seperate the two are Mays' size and Landry's mastery of the position. Mays hasn't really done anything spectacular to garner elite status yet.


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    • Originally posted by 49ers169 View Post
      Mays wouldn't be the best pick but he wouldn't be the worst either. As for Landry not being elite, he is a strong safety naturally. If we needed a strong safety Mays would be elite. Mays is quite a ways from Ed Reed as far as ball skills go when Reed was coming out..
      thats the dumbest thing i have heard this year. MAYS IS NOT A STRONG SAFETY! his size may scream that, but hes everything you want in a FS. And honestly im starting to wonder if any of you actually watch USC's defense play.

      He doesnt have ball skills? he plays centerfield better than anyone in the country. USC runs a cover 1 defense and ask Mays to play deep in coverage and take away the deep ball, which he does. He takes away the ENTIRE field. There is a reason that USC doesnt get beat deep, and that reason is Taylor Mays. His INT numbers are not special, but thats because he has to cover so much ground that all he can do is knock the ball down when he gets there. When Mays gets the chance to pick off the ball he does it.

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      • Originally posted by Zyro_1014 View Post
        thats the dumbest thing i have heard this year. MAYS IS NOT A STRONG SAFETY! his size may scream that, but hes everything you want in a FS. And honestly im starting to wonder if any of you actually watch USC's defense play.

        He doesnt have ball skills? he plays centerfield better than anyone in the country. USC runs a cover 1 defense and ask Mays to play deep in coverage and take away the deep ball, which he does. He takes away the ENTIRE field. There is a reason that USC doesnt get beat deep, and that reason is Taylor Mays. His INT numbers are not special, but thats because he has to cover so much ground that all he can do is knock the ball down when he gets there. When Mays gets the chance to pick off the ball he does it.
        How is it dumb???

        Mays is a huge hitter that can lay the wood in the secondary. He is also very good coming up and playing the run.

        Also yes I watch SC's defense a ton and I actually like SC.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRyOxWurQkI

        This highlight film shows you a lot of what Mays is. He is stout against the run and makes huge hits in the secondary to jar the ball loose. But the last play shows you exactly his tendency of being a SS. Mays has a perfect opportunity to play the ball and either intercept it or at the very least deflect it away. But instead he resorts to laying the big hit and fortunately knocking the ball loose. Also around the :46 mark you see him have a perfect opportunity to get a take away and can't hang onto the ball.

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        • Anyone who thinks Mays is even close to the prospect Landry was is out of their mind.

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          • Originally posted by 49ers169 View Post
            How is it dumb???

            Mays is a huge hitter that can lay the wood in the secondary. He is also very good coming up and playing the run.

            Also yes I watch SC's defense a ton and I actually like SC.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRyOxWurQkI

            This highlight film shows you a lot of what Mays is. He is stout against the run and makes huge hits in the secondary to jar the ball loose. But the last play shows you exactly his tendency of being a SS. Mays has a perfect opportunity to play the ball and either intercept it or at the very least deflect it away. But instead he resorts to laying the big hit and fortunately knocking the ball loose. Also around the :46 mark you see him have a perfect opportunity to get a take away and can't hang onto the ball.
            IDK where youre getting alot of that. With Mays' size he should actually be better against the run. Thats why Ellison played strong safety and Taylor didnt. Sure, hes gonna make his share of big hits but Taylor Mays is a centerfielder. Hes not a strong safety.

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            • Originally posted by Zyro_1014 View Post
              IDK where youre getting alot of that. With Mays' size he should actually be better against the run. Thats why Ellison played strong safety and Taylor didnt. Sure, hes gonna make his share of big hits but Taylor Mays is a centerfielder. Hes not a strong safety.
              I have seen Mays around the run game in most SC games I have seen. He seems pretty good against the run but again don't know the ins and outs of the SC program.

              I really don't think he makes it to our pick anyways after the combine. We will see I guess, I would take Landry over Mays though.

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              • Woah, went a little over board with locking threads here Brent. Haha.

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                • simmons makes an interesting point in his most recent podcasts, talking about safety being an underratedly important position. he points to ed reed as well as how the vikings D struggled when darren sharper went down.

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                  • Originally posted by Borat Sagdiyev View Post
                    They're not even close. Sorry.
                    ....How so?
                    Originally posted by 49erNation85
                    I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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                    • The only advantage I see to signin Atogwe instead of drafting Mays is the fact that it pulls him from within the division.

                      As far as people projecting Mays as a strong safety, I believe that's exactly what makes him an elite Free. Obviously he can play centerfield, he's proven that on saturdays playing for arguably the best defensive coach in college. So we also know he's been around pro-style terminology on defense. But the stereotypical knock on Free safeties is that they are liable in run support. This kid obviously isn't! I don't see why it's so bad for a kid who gives you one more hat around the ball.

                      As far as ball skills are concerned, if you really paid attention to USC's defense, they really did ask him to cover sideline to sideline, and it's pretty difficult to get INT opportunities. But you have to remember, pass deflections aren't the end of the world, especially when they are accompanied by a bone jarring hit.

                      Baltimore Ravens
                      Chicago Bears
                      Philadelphia Eagles
                      Pittsburgh Steelers
                      Tennessee Titans
                      Carolina Panthers

                      Those are teams that usally go hand-in-hand with 'good defenses' around the NFL. They also happen to be in the top ten for pass deflections in the league. Also I thought it was interesting that Baltimore only had 4 more sacks than us. So even if Taylor Mays were to get a mere 2 INT's, and still bring all those breakups, it would be an upgrade.

                      I guess my point is, because he's a Free Safety with free safety tools AND strong safety tools, why does that make him less than elite?
                      Originally posted by Babylon
                      It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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                      • Also: I'm perfectly fine with us taking a pass rusher or an offensive tackle, as i believe we need both. The thing I disagree with is doing it BECAUSE for some reason Mays is viewed as less than the value of the tenth pick. Picking the other two positions because Mays, OT, and OLB grade out the same, but you beleive the other two are higher priorities are one thing, grading him lower than the OT's or OLB's at the ten spot is another.
                        Originally posted by Babylon
                        It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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                        • It's just his tackling technique that scares me. I'm sure it can be taught but if he spent three years doing it and succeeding at it. See Taylor Mays' hit on Keola Antolin(ARIZ RB). Didn't wrap up but since Antolin is smaller than Mays and less powerful, he fell. I'm nitpicking here so obviously I wouldn't be totally against drafting Mays since it's a huge upgrade over Mark Roman.


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                          • Originally posted by YAYareaRB View Post
                            It's just his tackling technique that scares me. I'm sure it can be taught but if he spent three years doing it and succeeding at it. See Taylor Mays' hit on Keola Antolin(ARIZ RB). Didn't wrap up but since Antolin is smaller than Mays and less powerful, he fell. I'm nitpicking here so obviously I wouldn't be totally against drafting Mays since it's a huge upgrade over Mark Roman.
                            I'm with you on the tackling technique. As much as I really like Mays, I, much like you, am a little more old school and would like to see him bring the guy to the ground with good fundamentals.

                            However, it's only going to take one time of getting emberassed by a running back, or Singletary taking him over to the sideline, Vernon Davis style, and explaining him the right way to do it, for him to be more conscious of his technique.

                            With that said...Ronnie Lott wasn't much for wrapping up either. I'm definitely not saying Mays is a hall of famer, but you understand my point.
                            Originally posted by Babylon
                            It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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                            • Ronnie Lott would have also cut his finger off to stay in a game. Mays' heart for the game has been questioned by some.


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                              • Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                                Woah, went a little over board with locking threads here Brent. Haha.
                                Haha, I noticed that we'd get three or four threads going with the same conversation and JBond suggested just locking them if no one says anything for a few days. It keeps all the conversations in one thread which is better than repeating things over and over in different threads. I was looking back and you'd have two threads about the same topic but with different titles or one thing that is different. Or a thread about someone being signed as a UDFA which is totally useless.

                                Originally posted by YAYareaRB View Post
                                Ronnie Lott would have also cut his finger off to stay in a game. Mays' heart for the game has been questioned by some.
                                I don't know how anyone wouldnt get pumped up to play with Singletary in their ear.
                                Last edited by Brent; 01-07-2009, 03:34 PM.

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