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  • When you guys say you want Locker, you mean with the 2nd rounder right? That dude is a huge freaking project. He's so inaccurate it's silly, and he's got the pocket presence of Troy Smith.

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    • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
      Huge difference between Billick and Singletary. Billick didnt have control or power like Singletary did this year and Singletary chose wrong three times. He chose Aex over Shaun Hill. He chose Carr over Hill and he chose Troy over Nate.

      Billick didnt have power because if he did, im sure he would have drafted or signed a QB. Of course, when you look at the draft, he wasnt going to go after Eli, Philip or Ben in 2004 after drafting Boller in 2003 and he didnt have a first rounder in 2004 anyway so it doesnt even matter. 2005 had Alex, Rodgers and Campbell. Rodgers is the best one by far with Alex and Jason second and third. 2006 had Young, Leinart and Cutler. Cutler is easily the best one by far but Billick got Ngata so you cant really blame anyone in BAL for tht decision. In 2007, it was Russell who is gone and Quinn who's a backup in DEN if I remember correctly.

      So, when you think about it, out of eight QB's between 2005 and 2007, only two have become good to great so its obvious that the percentages of success isnt exactly there. Plus, its Newsome who's been in charge since 2002, not Billick so at worst, Billick is 50/50 to blame. And always remember, the GM is always going to do what he wants to do regardless of what the coach wants. Not every GM/HC works together. More times than not, both look to go for a "power play" with one succeeding and one failing.

      I understand you wanting a HC who wants to get a QB but there's one small problem with that. Its not going to be up to the HC or even the GM. If Baalke becomes the official GM, its all Jed York so if anyone is to blame regardless of who our next HC turns out to be, its Jed York.

      And just because we have a QB on our team, we dont instantly become division champions because there's so much bullcrap behind the scenes year after year that its going to take a lot more than that. Plus, the QB isnt going to be awesome from the start unless we luck out like the Rams did but thats not going to happen.

      Bottom line is that I prefer Billick over any of those coordinators that were posted on the last page. Of course, im still baffled as to why Gruden hasnt been at least mentioned. It doesnt make any sense but then again, im not really surprised that what Jed does doesnt make any sense to begin with.
      Billick was still the Ravens coach for three years before Newsome became the GM. And they were switching out quarterbacks (even during their Super Bowl run) like crazy. Regardless, it would be a little navie to assume that that the GM and head coach weren't on the same page or didn't work together seeing as they were both there for so long and never expressed wanting to leave. That's really a cop-out/excuse in my opinion for Billick and his failed attempt to field a decent starter in the nine years he was in Baltimore. Billick was brought in because of what he did in Minnesota, develop a dynamic offense with a good quarterback (Cunningham was already established however). There were a lot of great to even "decent" starters Billick and Newsome could have acquired in the draft. Like it or not, Billick does not have a proven track record when it comes to developing known quarterbacks. Even at the collegiate level. Fact. He has a lot of knowledge about offense though.

      I think if we get a decent starter in year we're division champs...unless another team like Seattle or Arizona gets lucky and does the same exact thing. You disagree. Proceed. Just remember the NFC West isn't exactly a powerhouse.

      And where does this assumption come from that Baalke is automatically going to be a "yes man" to Jed York? York said himself he's not going to have an active role in football operations. Baalke hasn't even been hired yet either. So where is the idea that Jed York is now Jerry Jones coming from?
      Last edited by Ness; 01-02-2011, 02:37 AM.

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      Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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      • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
        On a related side note -

        What happens is Harbaugh loses the Bowl game on Monday and Luck plays bad? Also, what happens if Luck decides to stay in college for his senior season after we sign Harbaugh?

        Has anyone thought of those possibilities?
        Luck is not part of the equation. We do not know his future. The focus is entirely on trying to wrap up a deal with Harbaugh as soon as this bowl game is over win or lose. Harbaugh's career at Stanford speaks for itself no matter what he does Monday. If the 49ers, somehow, ended up with Luck as well that would just be icing on the cake.

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        • Originally posted by binary View Post
          When you guys say you want Locker, you mean with the 2nd rounder right? That dude is a huge freaking project. He's so inaccurate it's silly, and he's got the pocket presence of Troy Smith.
          Hard to get a read on him with the talent he has around him. On the main forum they were comparing his stats to Cutler's.
          Jay Cutler: 4917 yds 31 Td 14 Int - 564 rush yds 7 Td - 7-13 Record Jake Locker: 5065 yds 38 Td 20 Int - 773 rush yds 13 Td - 12-12 Record
          Only caught a few games the last couple months of him and he really reminds me of McNabb.............especially the way he overthrows WRs on 10 yard routes.

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          • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
            Yeah, but the York's are ******* cheap to begin with. In four off-seasons, only three major free agent signings - Clements, Lewis (gone) and J. Smith. Everyone else has been via the draft or a cheap veteran signing like Franklin and Spikes. And when you look at who our head coaches have been since Mariucci, they're definitely going the cheap route.

            And to anyone here, doesnt anyone know what Mariucci's contract was back in 1997? Thanks.
            Disagree IMHO, since the '05 season, the Yorks have done a solid job of changing the perceived image of being cheap. They paid for the number 1, signed Clements and J.Smith in back to back seasons to high contracts, gotten draft picks signed (expect Crabtree) on time, and extended guys with years still left on their current deals. SF may not sign players like the Skins or Dolphins but the Yorks have proved the are willing to spend to bring players in.

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            • updated 1-7 round mock

              1. patrick robinson - cb
              2. jake locker - qb
              3. steven friday - olb/de
              4. cedrick thorton - de (3-4 )
              5. alex linnenkohl - c
              6. chris rainy - wr/kr/pr
              7. ( i believe this is via detroit for shaun hill ) - davon house - cb
              7. marcus gilbert - g/t

              i would still like to add a legit fs & ilb - i'm hoping the new gm & coach realize the need for a pass rush upgrade, corners who don't stop playing aka spencer versus the rams, and a qb so there is no shuffling during mid season.

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              • People wanting Holmgren to GM this team really need to look at his track record in Seattle. Look at the guys he brought in and the guys he decided not to resign or trade away. Take a few minutes of your time to do this and tell me if this is really what you want to have happen to our roster.

                Gruden is reportedly unavailable until his kid graduates, that may or may not be true, but perhaps would be a reason for people that want the guy to calm down a bit. You don't know if feelers have been put out or not and you don't know if his agent has passed it along that he is available or not.

                Just because you recognize a name doesn't mean it is the best one to go with. Little trivia tidbit: No head coach has won a Superbowl coaching for two different teams.

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                • Hearing from some good people in Schemmy Hall that Harbaugh will be announced as the next head coach at Michigan when he is done with the Bowl Game stuff.


                  Originally posted by supermario86
                  Stanton will be a pro bowler his 5th year book it.

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                  • Does Harbaugh's lack of head coaching experience remind you of Nolan, or Sing at all or the fear of it at least. I feel different about Harbaugh but still it haunts me. I still want Gruden if i had to choose between them. Gruden/Billick experience is key role in deciding who we should get as HC.
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                    • Originally posted by chapo123 View Post
                      updated 1-7 round mock

                      1. patrick robinson - cb
                      2. jake locker - qb
                      3. steven friday - olb/de
                      4. cedrick thorton - de (3-4 )
                      5. alex linnenkohl - c
                      6. chris rainy - wr/kr/pr
                      7. ( i believe this is via detroit for shaun hill ) - davon house - cb
                      7. marcus gilbert - g/t

                      i would still like to add a legit fs & ilb - i'm hoping the new gm & coach realize the need for a pass rush upgrade, corners who don't stop playing aka spencer versus the rams, and a qb so there is no shuffling during mid season.
                      Patrick Robinson? from florida state who is playing for the saints? lol
                      San Francisco 49ers: 5 Super Bowls
                      Auburn Tigers: 2 National Championships

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                      • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                        Billick was still the Ravens coach for three years before Newsome became the GM. And they were switching out quarterbacks (even during their Super Bowl run) like crazy. Regardless, it would be a little navie to assume that that the GM and head coach weren't on the same page or didn't work together seeing as they were both there for so long and never expressed wanting to leave. That's really a cop-out/excuse in my opinion for Billick and his failed attempt to field a decent starter in the nine years he was in Baltimore. Billick was brought in because of what he did in Minnesota, develop a dynamic offense with a good quarterback (Cunningham was already established however). There were a lot of great to even "decent" starters Billick and Newsome could have acquired in the draft. Like it or not, Billick does not have a proven track record when it comes to developing known quarterbacks. Even at the collegiate level. Fact. He has a lot of knowledge about offense though.

                        I think if we get a decent starter in year we're division champs...unless another team like Seattle or Arizona gets lucky and does the same exact thing. You disagree. Proceed. Just remember the NFC West isn't exactly a powerhouse.

                        And where does this assumption come from that Baalke is automatically going to be a "yes man" to Jed York? York said himself he's not going to have an active role in football operations. Baalke hasn't even been hired yet either. So where is the idea that Jed York is now Jerry Jones coming from?
                        Thats why he didnt get a QB. He had Grbac and Cunningham. Grbac signed a huge contract but retired after a year. Personally, I think the Ravens would have repeated if they stayed with Cunningham as the starting QB. Either way, he's not first on my list but above others. Billick cant do any worse than Nolan and/or Singletary and is still a huge upgrade and would be the best head coach since Mariucci.

                        As for being division champs, everyone including us thought that this year. How did that work out? And when you say QB? Who exactly? A rookie? A veteran? In between? I think we need more than QB to win the division. We need two new starting CB's, a playmaking FS and another DE opposite Smith. Plus, we need a veteran RG that allows Davis to just go one on one and hope tht he cant do that.

                        What York says and does are two different things. Unless he hires someone else to be the GM, everyone will know that the "search" was nothing more than a sham. He's just going through the motions in my opinion. He interviewed Lombardi who I would think is far more qualified tha Baalke but yet even he thinks that Baalke will be the next GM. And York is going to hire the GM that hires the HC that he (Jed) wants. If you cant see that then you're just as blind as he is.

                        Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
                        Luck is not part of the equation. We do not know his future. The focus is entirely on trying to wrap up a deal with Harbaugh as soon as this bowl game is over win or lose. Harbaugh's career at Stanford speaks for itself no matter what he does Monday. If the 49ers, somehow, ended up with Luck as well that would just be icing on the cake.
                        And why does everyone here think that getting Harbaugh will automatically lead us to a good to great QB regardless of who that QB is? People say he's done good at Stanford but has anyone thought of this - if you subtract Luck or Harbaugh, would the other be where they are now?

                        Just have to wait and see what happens, I guess.

                        Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
                        Hard to get a read on him with the talent he has around him. On the main forum they were comparing his stats to Cutler's.

                        Only caught a few games the last couple months of him and he really reminds me of McNabb.............especially the way he overthrows WRs on 10 yard routes.
                        Locker's stats arent great but not bad either considering his team is worse than Luck's so you have to wonder what would happen if both of them were switched with the other. I'm still hoping the three juniors declare and that they all surpass Locker after the Combine.

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                        • Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
                          Disagree IMHO, since the '05 season, the Yorks have done a solid job of changing the perceived image of being cheap. They paid for the number 1, signed Clements and J.Smith in back to back seasons to high contracts, gotten draft picks signed (expect Crabtree) on time, and extended guys with years still left on their current deals. SF may not sign players like the Skins or Dolphins but the Yorks have proved the are willing to spend to bring players in.
                          Yeah, they have spent some money but when they need to solve a position, they never do. They leave it as is and it always comes back to haunt them. The Crabtree contract favors the team by far so him holding out actually helped us. And while they ave spent on players, they havent spent on the coaching staff. They have gone for three straight cheap hires and like the saying goes, you get what you paid for. Plus, I think that Baalke will be the GM because he'll still get paid less than what he would have to pay someone outside the team to become the GM.

                          Originally posted by chapo123 View Post
                          updated 1-7 round mock

                          1. patrick robinson - cb
                          2. jake locker - qb
                          3. steven friday - olb/de
                          4. cedrick thorton - de (3-4 )
                          5. alex linnenkohl - c
                          6. chris rainy - wr/kr/pr
                          7. ( i believe this is via detroit for shaun hill ) - davon house - cb
                          7. marcus gilbert - g/t

                          i would still like to add a legit fs & ilb - i'm hoping the new gm & coach realize the need for a pass rush upgrade, corners who don't stop playing aka spencer versus the rams, and a qb so there is no shuffling during mid season.
                          Like you, im hoping for CB Patrick Peterson and then trade back into the first round for Locker. I'm also hoping they sign UFA's CB Richard Marshall and FS O.J. Atogwe. Of course, dont see any of that actually happening.

                          Originally posted by Rabscuttle View Post
                          People wanting Holmgren to GM this team really need to look at his track record in Seattle. Look at the guys he brought in and the guys he decided not to resign or trade away. Take a few minutes of your time to do this and tell me if this is really what you want to have happen to our roster.

                          Gruden is reportedly unavailable until his kid graduates, that may or may not be true, but perhaps would be a reason for people that want the guy to calm down a bit. You don't know if feelers have been put out or not and you don't know if his agent has passed it along that he is available or not.

                          Just because you recognize a name doesn't mean it is the best one to go with. Little trivia tidbit: No head coach has won a Superbowl coaching for two different teams.
                          The major mistake made by Holmgren was not franchising Hutchinson but he still led them to a SB appearance and they should have won but the officials screwed them just like they did the Cardinals.

                          Still prefer Holmgren/Gruden over Baalke/whoever.
                          Last edited by dan77733; 01-02-2011, 01:11 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by txparkes49x View Post
                            Does Harbaugh's lack of head coaching experience remind you of Nolan, or Sing at all or the fear of it at least. I feel different about Harbaugh but still it haunts me. I still want Gruden if i had to choose between them. Gruden/Billick experience is key role in deciding who we should get as HC.
                            It concerns me. Just because he did great in college doesnt mean he'll do great in the NFL. There's no guarantee ether way but im far more comfortable and confident in Gruden and even Billick than I will be with Harbaugh but thats just me.

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                            • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                              The major mistake made by Holmgren was not franchising Hutchinson but he still led them to a SB appearance and they should have won but the officials screwed them just like they did the Cardinals.

                              Still prefer Holmgren/Gruden over Baalke/whoever.
                              The Hutch one was huge, but look into it more for hilarity's sake. If nothing else the misery of Seahawk fans should bring a smile to your face.

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                              • Originally posted by Rabscuttle View Post
                                The Hutch one was huge, but look into it more for hilarity's sake. If nothing else the misery of Seahawk fans should bring a smile to your face.
                                I know he made some bad decisions but what GM hasnt? No GM is perfect. And back then, I was cheering for the Seahawks. I ******* hate the Steelers more than any other NFL team. They never should have tied us with 5 SB's let alone win 6.

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