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  • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
    Because we tried that three years ago with Balmer and how did that work out for us? I would not use our 7th overall draft pick on a 3-4 DE who's job is to engulf and contain the OL so the LB core can make plays. Not worth it in my opinion.
    It depends on the player. If you made the pick of Fairley it'd be because you envision him as a Justin Smith-type. He lead the team in sacks, he not just a space eater.

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    • Originally posted by king2am View Post
      But with our needs being a cover guy, a pass rusher, and a quarterback - with a top tier guy at every position to almost certainly be available, I don't see us going for Fairly.
      I agree completely. This is also why I get confused when I see 49ers fans hopi ng AJ Green drops to #7. We have too many other needs with great players available to fit them. We can't get the ball to our playmakers enough as it is.

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      • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
        I agree completely. This is also why I get confused when I see 49ers fans hopi ng AJ Green drops to #7. We have too many other needs with great players available to fit them. We can't get the ball to our playmakers enough as it is.
        Green is Scott's top rated prospect and the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson. We do have many other needs but of course, if management allows to let Franklin, Lawson, Spikes and Goldson leave plus release Clements, its more on them than anyone else for letting them go. If anything, management would be creating more needs than we already have.

        I have Green second after Peterson but would draft Prince before him but if both CB's are gone but Green is still available at 7, why would I pass on an elite talented prospect to draft Fairley who could become the next Balmer. I think that there's a better chance of that happening than Green becoming the next Woods.

        The reason why we cant get the ball to our playmakers is simple - our OL is average at best, we have an ineffective revolving door at QB and our coaching wasnt any good.

        If Harbaugh is as good offensively as everyone says, he should hopefully find us a QB and become more aggressive on offense instead of playing power ball like Singletary and Nolan did. Also, Crabtree has the skill and talent but his work ethic sucks and having another WR with the skill and talent that Green has, it could help Crabtree improve his work ethic. If not, we can trade Crabtree down the line and keep Green.

        Would I draft Green if Peterson/Prince are still there at 7? NO WAY.
        Would I draft Green if Peterson/Prince are gone by 7 and no other team wants to trade up with me? YES. .......Why? Because he would most likely be far more worthy and valuable as the 7th overall draft pick than anyone else would be.

        What I dont understand are the 49er fans who would pass on Green just because WR isnt a major need. Makes no sense to me. After all, if management lets Franklin, Lawson, Spikes, Goldson and Clements leave, thats their fault for creating more needs which quite honestly would be stupid and only hurt our defense instead of helping it.

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        • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
          Would I draft Green if Peterson/Prince are still there at 7? NO WAY.
          Would I draft Green if Peterson/Prince are gone by 7 and no other team wants to trade up with me? YES. .......Why? Because he would most likely be far more worthy and valuable as the 7th overall draft pick than anyone else would be.

          What I dont understand are the 49er fans who would pass on Green just because WR isnt a major need. Makes no sense to me. After all, if management lets Franklin, Lawson, Spikes, Goldson and Clements leave, thats their fault for creating more needs which quite honestly would be stupid and only hurt our defense instead of helping it.
          If Green is there you could make a case for him if

          a) both DBs are gone
          b) Cant trade down
          c) and if Quinn, Bowers, Miller as well are gone

          then yeah why not draft Green but for it to work perfectly like that is slim. Honestly i dont want it to happen but if he falls to us and all good options are gone all DEs and all DBs.
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          • I could see this scenario highly likely:

            #1 Carolina: Da'quan Bowers
            #2 Denver: Marcell Dareus
            #3 Buffalo: AJ Green
            #4 Cincinnati: Cam Newton
            #5 Cardinals: Von Miller
            #6 Cleveland: Nick Fairley

            This would leave both Peterson and Quinn on the board. I see this as a best case/most probable situation.

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            • I am still holding out hope that Peterson falls to us. It'd be a great match.

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              • I'm with the rest of you guys I so want PP so bad!After watching and seeing his results from the combine he would be a great fit for us.JH needs to trade and get up him lol. His little segment on NFL N this mooring he compared him self to Deon Sanders when returning kicks!

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                • Originally posted by edgrenade View Post
                  I could see this scenario highly likely:

                  #1 Carolina: Da'quan Bowers
                  #2 Denver: Marcell Dareus
                  #3 Buffalo: AJ Green
                  #4 Cincinnati: Cam Newton
                  #5 Cardinals: Von Miller
                  #6 Cleveland: Nick Fairley

                  This would leave both Peterson and Quinn on the board. I see this as a best case/most probable situation.
                  Originally posted by Brent View Post
                  I am still holding out hope that Peterson falls to us. It'd be a great match.
                  In both of your scenarios, my biggest fear is that money-bags Jerry Jones would throw the farm at Cleveland in order to jump us for Peterson. That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

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                  • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
                    In both of your scenarios, my biggest fear is that money-bags Jerry Jones would throw the farm at Cleveland in order to jump us for Peterson. That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
                    yeah it worries me so much that people are saying that about them. How badly do they need a DB?
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                    • Originally posted by txparkes49x
                      If Green is there you could make a case for him if

                      a) both DBs are gone
                      b) Cant trade down
                      c) and if Quinn, Bowers, Miller as well are gone

                      then yeah why not draft Green but for it to work perfectly like that is slim. Honestly i dont want it to happen but if he falls to us and all good options are gone all DEs and all DBs.
                      Dont get me wrong, I want Peterson the most but he seems to be the safest an most talented player available regardless of position. I wouldnt be surprised if the Panthers draft him especially if they lose Marshall.

                      I agree with A and B but disagree with C. No way would I pass on Green for Quinn who hasnt played in two seasons and quite honestly, I think he'll be a flop. You can just see from the combine that he didnt do as good as people were expecting, isnt in top condition and would be rusty as hell. Not worth the 7th overall draft pick in my opinion. I would rather have Green over Miller but if Miller was the pick instead, I wouldnt complain but I do think ARZ will take him at 5 because they need an OLB for their 3-4 just like we do. As for Bowers, would he fit in as a 3-4 DE and still be able to get sacks? He's too big to play OLB and in a 3-4, a pass rushing DE is a waste because they're usually meant for a 4-3. Also, I dont think drafting a DE to engulf the OL is worth the seventh overall pick compared to a 4-3 DE who would be a pass rusher first and foremost. What's worse is that BUF and ARZ are 3-4 teams that will be looking for the same players/positions as us and thats not a good thing.

                      The reason why I have wanted to go back to the 4-3 is because its easier to find a pass rushing DE for the 4-3 than it is to find a pass rushing OLB in the 3-4 especially when the majority of OLB's in a 3-4 were 4-3 DE's in college. Also, with 14 teams in the league set to run the 3-4 in 2011, its even harder to get the players we need to not only fit the scheme but also make a smooth transition. Lucky for us, DEN is going back to the 4-3 and I also think CLE is too which helps us because instead of four teams who are ahead of us running the 3-4, its only two. BUF and ARZ. I think BUF goes DL while ARZ will go with Miller.

                      Amazingly, there's a good chance that Peterson, Prince or Green will be available at 7. I am worried that DAL will trade up with CLE to get Peterson if he falls. Us beating ARZ in week 17 really screwed us over and not in a good way.

                      As for DE, I doubt that he'll slip to us in round two, I was thinking about Miami's Allen Bailey? Thoughts?

                      Originally posted by edgrenade
                      I could see this scenario highly likely:

                      #1 Carolina: Da'quan Bowers
                      #2 Denver: Marcell Dareus
                      #3 Buffalo: AJ Green
                      #4 Cincinnati: Cam Newton
                      #5 Cardinals: Von Miller
                      #6 Cleveland: Nick Fairley

                      This would leave both Peterson and Quinn on the board. I see this as a best case/most probable situation.
                      I dont buy that Palmer will retire. If CIN keeps Benson, releases Chad and drafts Green, Palmer would still have weapons and none of the headaches. CAR and DEN will most likely go DE or DT but I wouldnt rule out Peterson. BUF drafting Green would be stupid because their defense is horrible, they have no QB and their OL is bad. Green and Spiller would just wasting away in BUF. I see BUF going QB or defense. ARZ is pretty much a lock for Miller unless BUF takes him. CLE is the wild card because if Peterson falls to 6, I think that DAL will try to trade up for him. Of course, getting Prince at 7 sure as hell isnt a bad second prize.

                      Peterson/Quinn. I vote for Peterson 100/100. I dont want Quinn. He's rusty, out of shape, had a year off due to violations or whatever and isnt worth 7th overall draft pick for us in a 3-4. CB is a far greater need than DE especially if we release Clements.

                      Originally posted by Brent View Post
                      I am still holding out hope that Peterson falls to us. It'd be a great match.
                      Me too. :)

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                      • Originally posted by 49erNation85 View Post
                        I'm with the rest of you guys I so want PP so bad!After watching and seeing his results from the combine he would be a great fit for us.JH needs to trade and get up him lol. His little segment on NFL N this mooring he compared him self to Deon Sanders when returning kicks!
                        Peterson returning kicks would be a plus but I wouldnt use him that way. I would never use a starter as a returner if he gets injured, you're losing your best CB and a returner. I hate it when teams do that. Its not worth the risk. We have Ginn for punt returns and im sure we can find someone else to return kickoffs. No way in hell would I put Peterson back there returning kicks. No ******* way!!!

                        As fo trading up, I would try to trade up with CLE but DAL would offer more since they would have to give up more and I dont want to move up especially if Prince and Peterson are there at 6 because at least one of them would fall to us at 7.

                        Originally posted by phlysac View Post
                        In both of your scenarios, my biggest fear is that money-bags Jerry Jones would throw the farm at Cleveland in order to jump us for Peterson. That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
                        Yeah, I have read this too. My friend wants them to trade up too but he wants Prince over Peterson because Prince is said to be a better cover guy where as Peterson is the better playmaker. I do see DAL trading up with CLE if Peterson falls to 6 and Jones wants him because im sure he knows that we would most likely draft him at 7.

                        Originally posted by txparkes49x View Post
                        yeah it worries me so much that people are saying that about them. How badly do they need a DB?
                        Badly. They need two starting safeties and a CB. Newman has declined and Jenkins is coming off a horrible season but Jenkins will only be 26 and still has two years left on his rookie deal. Like I told my friend who's a Cowboys fan, Jenkins regressed but at the same time, so did the entire team. Its not like DAL was awesome and he was the weak link. Every player on that team played bad. Besides, Jenkins is too young and talented to give up on in my opinion. Hell, I would take him for Clements in a heartbeat. If DAL was smart, they would move Newman to FS, draft Peterson or Prince to start opposite Jenkins and all they would need is a SS. Their secondary is worse than ours because they have no SS or FS.

                        So yeah, im worried they trade up with CLE to get Peterson. I'm just hoping that if they trade up with CLE to get Peterson (or Prince) that the other is still on the board at 7.

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                        • As much as I want Patrick Peterson, and that's as much as the next guy - i'm starting to try and get excited about the Amukamara pick (which would still be great) because there's no way 6 other GMs don't see Peterson as the #1 player in the draft.

                          We would almost certainly have to move up in order to have a shot.
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                          • On a side note -

                            Redskins signed FS O.J. Atogwe to a 5 year/$26m contract which is an average of $5.2m a year. Waiting for the contract details including guaranteed amount.

                            Obviously, im not a happy camper but at least he's not on the Rams anymore.

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                            • It's OK Dan its not like we were going to get him any ways.

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                              • All six teams ahead of us have much bigger needs then corner.

                                I could definitely see Peterson droping to us at #7, but i don't see how a team like Dallas or Detriot would let him drop to us.

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