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  • Almost forgot..............what third rounder? The 49ers traded their 2005 4th and 6th rounders for the Eagles third rounder in the 2005 draft. It was never part of the original trade so basically, we traded Owens for DE Brandon Whiting. Yeah, what a great trade. Give me a break.

    We were originally going to receive the Ravens 2nd rounder in 2004 but that was returned to them after the trade was nulified. Dont know about anyone else but rather have had the 2nd rounder instead of Whiting but of course, thats just me and my own personal opinion.

    I'm sure you were happy to have Whiting instead of the second rounder or just keeping Owens and if thats true, I wouldnt be surprised one bit.

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    • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
      Almost forgot..............what third rounder? The 49ers traded their 2005 4th and 6th rounders for the Eagles third rounder in the 2005 draft. It was never part of the original trade so basically, we traded Owens for DE Brandon Whiting. Yeah, what a great trade. Give me a break.

      We were originally going to receive the Ravens 2nd rounder in 2004 but that was returned to them after the trade was nulified. Dont know about anyone else but rather have had the 2nd rounder instead of Whiting but of course, thats just me and my own personal opinion.

      I'm sure you were happy to have Whiting instead of the second rounder or just keeping Owens and if thats true, I wouldnt be surprised one bit.
      http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1760284
      Above is a link to the trade when it happen. Union filed grievance after TO's agent botched the papers. At the time most believed the arbitrator was going to rule that TO was going to become a free agent so SF was lucky to get anything for him. Also don't forget Terry Donahue was GM at the time so I doubt he would have accomplished anything meaningful anyways.

      I don't see the parallel between Kolb and TO. TO has had numerous run-ins with coaches and players at every place he has played. Great player but his past history has shown he has burned bridges with most of the teams he has played with. I really don't see any problem with Kolb asking for a trade. He did not cause any problems in Philly during the season when he lost his job to Vick and waited till the offseason to voice it. Most accounts from Philly writers is that he is a close friend of Vick and in no way tried to rock the boat after losing his job.

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      • In the end it is probably going to be a moot point on Kolb. A team has already offered a first rounder for Kolb, via Peter King, and Maiocco says it is "unlikely" the 49ers end up with him. Carson Palmer may be the best target. I got a feeling the Bengals will move him after the draft......then again they are owned by Mike Brown.

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        • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
          His work ethic is easily the best in the league whether anyone agrees with it or not or whether anyone likes it or not.



          We havent been in the playoffs since the 2002 season. Maybe if we had some more players like T.O. who actually give a damn about winning, maybe the team still wouldnt be a shell of their former self. .
          Wow.

          Dan, I love professional football. I'm one of those 'weird' guys who actually likes it more than college football. I have my favorite team (obviously) and my favorite players - but even with my homer glasses on, I wouldn't claim someones work ethic to be the best in the league.

          Ray Lewis? Peyton Manning? (any elite quarterback)?

          Or, for the sake of your 'favorite' team.... Patrick Willis? Vernon Davis? Frank Gore?

          Seriously? Are you ******* kidding me?

          And yes, if only we had players on our 53 man roster that wanted to win. Gosh, where do we find professional football players that want to win, instead of the guys we have on our team who just want to collect their paycheck, and their ok losing.

          Seriously? Are you ******* kidding me?

          And to go back to the, 'don't trade with the Eagles because look what happened last time'. Really? Because every trade with the Eagles will involve your favorite player for a crummy one? But this is coming from the same guy who believes the only way to win in the NFL is by running the WCO and nothing else.

          If we:
          Only run the WCO and
          Never trade with the Eagles and
          Sign TO and
          Go after every single big name FA to hit the market and
          Find some players that actually want to win, instead of the ones we have that enjoy losing


          THEN WE WILL BE A GOOD TEAM

          4949 Centennial Boulevard Santa Clara, CA 95054 <---- Jim Harbaugh is waiting
          Originally posted by Babylon
          It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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          • Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
            http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1760284
            Above is a link to the trade when it happen. Union filed grievance after TO's agent botched the papers. At the time most believed the arbitrator was going to rule that TO was going to become a free agent so SF was lucky to get anything for him. Also don't forget Terry Donahue was GM at the time so I doubt he would have accomplished anything meaningful anyways.

            I don't see the parallel between Kolb and TO. TO has had numerous run-ins with coaches and players at every place he has played. Great player but his past history has shown he has burned bridges with most of the teams he has played with. I really don't see any problem with Kolb asking for a trade. He did not cause any problems in Philly during the season when he lost his job to Vick and waited till the offseason to voice it. Most accounts from Philly writers is that he is a close friend of Vick and in no way tried to rock the boat after losing his job.
            We were originally going to get a 5th rounder and Thrash from Philly but BAL offered a 2nd rounder and PHI didnt want to match it but because Owens didnt want to go to BAL, the entire trade was nulified and we received Whiting instead. There's nothing there about us getting a 3rd rounder.

            I agree with you about Donahue but he should have been forceful in regards to the trade with BAL or allow Owens to become an UFA despite his agent screwing up and get at least a 3rd rounder in compensation which would have been better than getting Whiting who barely played so in a way, we did get nothing in return.

            Owens burning bridges is such crap because he's always the scapegoat regardless of whether or not he's in the wrong. The only comparison im making between Owens and Kolb is that Kolb is mouthing off to the media about wanting to be traded and being a starter. If Owens did that, everyone would say, why didnt he do that behind closed doors but yet, Kolb does the same thing and no one mentions it. It's a double standard and thats bullcrap because Owens is only made to look worse because of his attitude yet we have players far worse and less talented who get away with stuff and people seem to forget about it.

            Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
            In the end it is probably going to be a moot point on Kolb. A team has already offered a first rounder for Kolb, via Peter King, and Maiocco says it is "unlikely" the 49ers end up with him. Carson Palmer may be the best target. I got a feeling the Bengals will move him after the draft......then again they are owned by Mike Brown.
            I hope thats true about Kolb since I dont want him period. Dont want Palmer either.

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            • Originally posted by king2am View Post
              Wow.

              Dan, I love professional football. I'm one of those 'weird' guys who actually likes it more than college football. I have my favorite team (obviously) and my favorite players - but even with my homer glasses on, I wouldn't claim someones work ethic to be the best in the league.

              Ray Lewis? Peyton Manning? (any elite quarterback)?

              Or, for the sake of your 'favorite' team.... Patrick Willis? Vernon Davis? Frank Gore?

              Seriously? Are you ******* kidding me?

              And yes, if only we had players on our 53 man roster that wanted to win. Gosh, where do we find professional football players that want to win, instead of the guys we have on our team who just want to collect their paycheck, and their ok losing.

              Seriously? Are you ******* kidding me?

              And to go back to the, 'don't trade with the Eagles because look what happened last time'. Really? Because every trade with the Eagles will involve your favorite player for a crummy one? But this is coming from the same guy who believes the only way to win in the NFL is by running the WCO and nothing else.

              If we:
              Only run the WCO and
              Never trade with the Eagles and
              Sign TO and
              Go after every single big name FA to hit the market and
              Find some players that actually want to win, instead of the ones we have that enjoy losing


              THEN WE WILL BE A GOOD TEAM

              4949 Centennial Boulevard Santa Clara, CA 95054 <---- Jim Harbaugh is waiting
              Sorry but considering Owens age and the condition he keeps his body in year in and year out, I say he has the best work ethic of them all and when he plays, he plays all out and you know it. I dont remember the game but there was one game where he had leg cramps and had treatment on the sideline while the defense was on the field. Most players would be on the sideline for the rest of the damn game not willing to risk further injury. Owens coming back from a broken fibula to play in the SB seven weeks later just proves his worth ethic is the best. Majority of players get a strained hamstring and milk it for weeks if not longer.

              And you're using Lewis (a possible murderer) and Manning (who decided to sit on a female reporter's face back in college with his bare ass plus blamed his OL for the loss to PIT a few years ago and blamed Wayne for his game ending INT to NO) as examples? Come on, give me a break.

              I'll give you Willis and Gore but Davis? It took Singletary sending him to the locker room for him to finally play up to his skill, talent and potential.

              You're delusional if you think every player cares more about winning than they do about getting their paychecks. Think of the players we've had and even currently have that take plays off, never played up to their skill and talent. You can look at Crabtree who has a lot of skill and talent but let's be honest, his work ethic ******* sucks and until that improves, he'll never be the dominant playmaking WR he should become with or without a franchise QB.

              I wouldnt trade with PHI because I wouldnt want Kolb and because there's no way in hell I would trade away more thn 3rd for him anyway. Using the Owens trade to PHI is my third reason as to why I wouldnt make any trades with PHI. Think about it, we trade a five star caliber player for an injury prone DE who barely played for us and then retired due to injury. No way in hell do I trade the 7th overall draft pick who would be younger and have far more potential than Kolb.

              And I said the ONLY way we'll get back to winning is by getting back to the basics that made this franchise great and Harbaugh is doing just that. I havent mentioned signing T.O. since before McNabb signed his extension in WSH. And the funny thing is that if we did sign T.O., he automatically becomes our best WR whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

              I dont want every big name free agent. For this off-season, I wanted Atogwe and currently want RB Darren Sproles and CB richard Marshall. Three free agents which is now two. How is that every big name UFA? Yeah, I would try to acquire Flynn and Josh Johnson via trade but since they're not UFA's, they technically dont count.

              And having players who want to win and having players that show that they want to win is two different things. Dont get them confused.

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              • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                And you're using Lewis (a possible murderer) and Manning (who decided to sit on a female reporter's face back in college with his bare ass plus blamed his OL for the loss to PIT a few years ago and blamed Wayne for his game ending INT to NO) as examples? Come on, give me a break.
                TO accused Jeff Garcia of being a homosexual. Jeff Garcia is married to a former Playboy playmate.

                Pick the Winners Champion 2008 | 2011

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                • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                  We were originally going to get a 5th rounder and Thrash from Philly but BAL offered a 2nd rounder and PHI didnt want to match it but because Owens didnt want to go to BAL, the entire trade was nulified and we received Whiting instead. There's nothing there about us getting a 3rd rounder.

                  I agree with you about Donahue but he should have been forceful in regards to the trade with BAL or allow Owens to become an UFA despite his agent screwing up and get at least a 3rd rounder in compensation which would have been better than getting Whiting who barely played so in a way, we did get nothing in return.
                  I never said anything about a third and no matter how much Donahue kicked and screamed he was up against the union and a seperate arbitrator. They were not winning that case and as much as I hated what SF got in return they were lucky they weren't left in the dust with nothing.

                  Owens burning bridges is such crap because he's always the scapegoat regardless of whether or not he's in the wrong.
                  I will say that he got unfairly scapegoated here. I know a lot of people will disagree with me here but I feel the 49ers used Owens big time to cover up a lot of the front office problems. But Owens was at fault as well. Not trying to go Skip Bayless here but incidents off the top of my head involving TO:
                  - Questioned head coaches killer instinct to media.
                  - Openly questioned why Garcia was starter and not Rattay and questioned his sexuality
                  - Chewed out Greg Knapp on the sidelines
                  - The whole McNabb feud
                  - Got into fist fight with team leader Hugh Douglas
                  - Tried to turn whole WR core in Dallas against Tony Romo by claiming he threw only Whitten
                  - Wanted Fitz over Trent Edwards (He was right in this case though)

                  "Scapegoated?" I think he has done a great job of establishing a nice record of bad history. As you said above great work ethic but he has the ability to pull teams down with his conduct.

                  The only comparison im making between Owens and Kolb is that Kolb is mouthing off to the media about wanting to be traded and being a starter. If Owens did that, everyone would say, why didnt he do that behind closed doors but yet, Kolb does the same thing and no one mentions it. It's a double standard and thats bullcrap because Owens is only made to look worse because of his attitude yet we have players far worse and less talented who get away with stuff and people seem to forget about it.
                  Past history comes into play. I think if Kolb had repeatedly done it Farve style then there would be an outcry but like I said he waited till the season ended and he was a good solider during his season with the Eagles.
                  Last edited by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?; 03-21-2011, 07:19 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                    Sorry but considering Owens age and the condition he keeps his body in year in and year out, I say he has the best work ethic of them all and when he plays, he plays all out and you know it. I dont remember the game but there was one game where he had leg cramps and had treatment on the sideline while the defense was on the field. Most players would be on the sideline for the rest of the damn game not willing to risk further injury. Owens coming back from a broken fibula to play in the SB seven weeks later just proves his worth ethic is the best. Majority of players get a strained hamstring and milk it for weeks if not longer.

                    And you're using Lewis (a possible murderer) and Manning (who decided to sit on a female reporter's face back in college with his bare ass plus blamed his OL for the loss to PIT a few years ago and blamed Wayne for his game ending INT to NO) as examples? Come on, give me a break.

                    I'll give you Willis and Gore but Davis? It took Singletary sending him to the locker room for him to finally play up to his skill, talent and potential.

                    You're delusional if you think every player cares more about winning than they do about getting their paychecks. Think of the players we've had and even currently have that take plays off, never played up to their skill and talent. You can look at Crabtree who has a lot of skill and talent but let's be honest, his work ethic ******* sucks and until that improves, he'll never be the dominant playmaking WR he should become with or without a franchise QB.

                    I wouldnt trade with PHI because I wouldnt want Kolb and because there's no way in hell I would trade away more thn 3rd for him anyway. Using the Owens trade to PHI is my third reason as to why I wouldnt make any trades with PHI. Think about it, we trade a five star caliber player for an injury prone DE who barely played for us and then retired due to injury. No way in hell do I trade the 7th overall draft pick who would be younger and have far more potential than Kolb.

                    And I said the ONLY way we'll get back to winning is by getting back to the basics that made this franchise great and Harbaugh is doing just that. I havent mentioned signing T.O. since before McNabb signed his extension in WSH. And the funny thing is that if we did sign T.O., he automatically becomes our best WR whether anyone wants to admit it or not.

                    I dont want every big name free agent. For this off-season, I wanted Atogwe and currently want RB Darren Sproles and CB richard Marshall. Three free agents which is now two. How is that every big name UFA? Yeah, I would try to acquire Flynn and Josh Johnson via trade but since they're not UFA's, they technically dont count.

                    And having players who want to win and having players that show that they want to win is two different things. Dont get them confused.
                    Ray Lewis' legal past has NOTHING to do with his work ethic.Peyton Manning blaming his offensive line, or doing whatever he did in college has NOTHING to do with his work ethic.

                    You understand that ^ right?

                    I am certain that I never said every player cares more about winning than the paycheck. I, unlike you, do not use such a wide brush stroke with my eyes closed when making statements like that. How long do you think you'd last walking into the locker room and making that statement? I'd put the over/under at 3 seconds. Crabtree? Yeah, the dude held out for about a million days and I was pissed. Prima dona? You betcha. Satisfied with just collecting the check, and putting another L in the column? Your assumption that the players on the 49ers roster are, for the majority, greedy punks who don't care about winning - is insane.

                    Not wanting Kolb? That's fine dude. I think Kolb's okay, but I, like you, would never trade a 1 or a 2 for him. However, there's nobody a part of the organization now, that was there for the making of that deal - so what makes you think using that trade way back then is a legitimate reason? Seriously?

                    Indianapolis should only draft players from Tennessee and New England should only draft quarterbacks with picks in the 6th round...

                    Yes, Harbaugh is running the WCO - but to think it's the only way to win in the NFL just because our team is located in San Francisco, is ... about as smart as the other **** you've said.
                    Originally posted by Babylon
                    It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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                    • Question are teams allowed to trade future draft picks? I am under the assumption that only draft picks from this class can be dealt for one another. Is that correct?

                      NE looking to move either of their 1st round picks:
                      http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...medium=twitter

                      SF has past trade history with them. Could be the best spot to move up and grab one of the QBs.

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                      • When I get off work, I'll be debuting a new Dan-inspired meme. Stay tuned.
                        The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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                        • Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
                          Question are teams allowed to trade future draft picks? I am under the assumption that only draft picks from this class can be dealt for one another. Is that correct?

                          NE looking to move either of their 1st round picks:
                          http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...medium=twitter

                          SF has past trade history with them. Could be the best spot to move up and grab one of the QBs.
                          Chris Mortensen - Are 2012 picks available for trading this year? >> yes, league has told teams future picks traded at own risk

                          Some reports have said that there is a possibility of no 2012 NFL Draft due to the antitrust litigation.

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                          • OK guys there is a group mock going in the forum on the fansty section here is how i have SF going so far. I'm either taking a FB,CB or WR with the next four round pick.What do u all think?

                            7. San Francisco 49ers - Von Miller, OLB Texas A&M
                            45. San Francisco 49ers - Mike Pouncey, OG Florida
                            76. San Fransisco 49ers - Andy Dalton, QB TCU
                            107. San Francisco 49ers - Mark Herzlich, ILB Boston College

                            I think if Locker falls to the NE pick in round round and we trade up,I would die happy!

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                            • Originally posted by Brent View Post
                              TO accused Jeff Garcia of being a homosexual. Jeff Garcia is married to a former Playboy playmate.
                              I never said that Owens wasnt an asshole. All im saying is that ability > personality especially when you're winning which we havent done since 2002. And being married doesnt mean a damn thing and you know it.

                              Originally posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? View Post
                              I never said anything about a third and no matter how much Donahue kicked and screamed he was up against the union and a seperate arbitrator. They were not winning that case and as much as I hated what SF got in return they were lucky they weren't left in the dust with nothing.



                              I will say that he got unfairly scapegoated here. I know a lot of people will disagree with me here but I feel the 49ers used Owens big time to cover up a lot of the front office problems. But Owens was at fault as well. Not trying to go Skip Bayless here but incidents off the top of my head involving TO:
                              - Questioned head coaches killer instinct to media.
                              - Openly questioned why Garcia was starter and not Rattay and questioned his sexuality
                              - Chewed out Greg Knapp on the sidelines
                              - The whole McNabb feud
                              - Got into fist fight with team leader Hugh Douglas
                              - Tried to turn whole WR core in Dallas against Tony Romo by claiming he threw only Whitten
                              - Wanted Fitz over Trent Edwards (He was right in this case though)

                              "Scapegoated?" I think he has done a great job of establishing a nice record of bad history. As you said above great work ethic but he has the ability to pull teams down with his conduct.



                              Past history comes into play. I think if Kolb had repeatedly done it Farve style then there would be an outcry but like I said he waited till the season ended and he was a good solider during his season with the Eagles.
                              Donahue should have just lost the case and waited until 2005 for the compensation pick which couldnt have turned out any worse than acquiring Whiting.

                              -I agree with Owens in regards to Mariucci's lack of a killer instinct. You can look at the season finale in 2002 against the Rams and other games too but thats the main one I can think of. You need a killer instinct because if you dont have it, you wont win. Being aggressive may turn out in a loss due to mistakes but I would much rather see the team be aggressive and have that killer instinct as opposed to just going through the motions and hoping to hold on for a cheap win. In other words, go out and take the win instead of hoping it will come to you.

                              -For 2003, I agree with Owens. Garcia played the season injured and missed games. If Rattay was 100% healthy, why wouldnt you start a healthy Rattay over an injured Garcia? Dont give a crap about his *** comments and being married doesnt mean a damn thing which im sure you'll agree with.

                              -Didnt Knapp also get chewed out in ATL or something too? As for SF, I think you're talking about the Vikings loss in 2003 and quite honestly, I would have been yelling and screaming at everyone. But this proves one of my points - Owens only gets pissed when he loses which is good because he wants to win and is obsessed by it. Excluding any legal trouble, give me a player like that and I'll take him every time.

                              -The whole McNabb feud was on Owens but I do agree with him in regards to McNabb puking during the SB and not being able to suck it up for four hours. If I was Owens and worked my ass off to come back from a broken fibula to put on an MVP type performance yet my hundred million dollar QB cant suck it up for four hours because of the flu, I would be pissed off too. Anyone who's Owens should be.

                              And the contract Owens signed in Philly had a $7.5m roster bonus due in March 2006. Even if Owens was a Saint in 2005, he would have been gone either way as anyone who saw that contract knew that it was a two year run maximum.

                              -Thats ALL on Douglas. He wasnt even on the team roster anymore and went into the room where Owens was in the tub healing whatever injury he had at the time and Douglas is the one who started that **** and was sent in there by management so they would have an excuse to suspend Owens. Douglas said Owens was faking his injury and yeah, if I was T.O., I would have jumped out of that tub, put on a pair of sneakers and kicked his ass while I was naked. How Douglas could think he was faking or milking his injury despite putting up 47 rec, 763 yds and 6 tds in 7 games is beyond me. Sorry, but thats all on Douglas and the team for setting Owens up. Anyone who doesnt think thats what happened or that its possible is delusional. They know Owens is emotional and gets pissed off easily and Douglas and management took advantage of that but of course, there's nothing wrong with that, right?

                              -Dont agree with what he said about Romo considering his stats in his three seasons in DAL but I do think that he was still pissed off about Romo caring more about going on vacation with Simpson during that bye week instead of preparing and working for the home divisional game. Thats a perfect example of a player who doesnt have the work ethic he should or desire to win and be the best.

                              - Who and who??? LOL. Fitz had the better arm but that entire team sucked. Owens in BUF was like Moss in OAK in 2005 or 2006. Forgot which was his worse season.

                              Owens is an asshole but a few of the above things are debateable. The only one I will truly agree with is the Romo crap since Owens stats prove otherwise. The rest is either 50/50, on the other person (like Douglas) or just doesnt make any sense like not starting a healthy Rattay over an injured Garcia especially when they knew they were going to release Garcia after the 2003 season if he didnt take a paycut.

                              But whatever, I never said Owens wasnt an asshole. I personally just dont give a damn about that. All I would care about is him putting up good stats which in turn will help the team win games and he's already proven that he can.

                              To each his/her own though.

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                              • Originally posted by 49erNation85 View Post
                                OK guys there is a group mock going in the forum on the fansty section here is how i have SF going so far. I'm either taking a FB,CB or WR with the next four round pick.What do u all think?

                                7. San Francisco 49ers - Von Miller, OLB Texas A&M
                                45. San Francisco 49ers - Mike Pouncey, OG Florida
                                76. San Fransisco 49ers - Andy Dalton, QB TCU
                                107. San Francisco 49ers - Mark Herzlich, ILB Boston College

                                I think if Locker falls to the NE pick in round round and we trade up,I would die happy!
                                Thats pretty damn good but no wa in hell will Pouncey last to 45 in reality but I actually like that mock draft. As for next position, I say the best NT available followed by CB.

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