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  • Originally posted by Ness View Post
    You want to put the down and distance for each of those third downs while you are at it? Because those numbers are useless without the down and distance.
    So are the 3rd down passing statistics. You never posted down and distance for those. No need to be hypocritical in attempt to argue your point.

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    • Just keep winning!
      Last edited by phlysac; 01-02-2012, 05:33 PM.

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      • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
        So are the 3rd down passing statistics. You never posted down and distance for those. No need to be hypocritical in attempt to argue your point.
        It only is for when doing the easy thing. Crapping on Alex Smith.

        When you point out Alex Smith might of been only mediocre in 2009 somewhat due to the 49ers where in 3rd and 8+ more than any team in 2009.

        Alex Smith is a B/B+ level QB

        There are less than 10 A-/A/A+ QB in the NFL at any time.

        I'd like to have 1 for sure but hard to find.

        Until then it makes more sense to me to focus on the substandard performance from the O-Line and whats left of the WRs.

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        • Originally posted by ViperVisor View Post
          Atlanta? Matt Ryan ain't better than Smith.

          Lots of neat stats
          http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/l...0&type=Passing
          I know that site.

          Ryan isn't better than Smith? Why? He's thrown more touchdowns and his touchdown percentage is respectably higher. 5.1 compared to 3.8. He also has around the same YPA.

          "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
          -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
          Originally posted by Borat
          Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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          • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
            So are the 3rd down passing statistics. You never posted down and distance for those. No need to be hypocritical in attempt to argue your point.
            Why should I have to? Look at the top 10 teams in the league in terms of converting third downs. All of those guys are thought as franchise quarterbacks by most people. Look at the bottom ten. Completely different story. Should be obvious why is why it wasn't posted.

            "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
            -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
            Originally posted by Borat
            Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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            • Gore is the worst short yardage runner I have ever seen so that doesn't surprise me. One of my only criticisms is that it shouldn't take all the receivers getting injured for Davis and Crabtree to be the focal points in the passing attack.
              Originally posted by 49erNation85
              I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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              • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
                No, you want yards, yards, yards. The 49ers rank 11th in points per game. That's 5 better than the "middle of the pack" that you hope for.
                That's due to good special teams putting the offense in nice field position and an opportunistic defense getting turnovers. But good special teams and good defense doesn't last as long as offenses do for years and years, unless you have rare exceptions with Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

                "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                Originally posted by Borat
                Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                  I know that site.

                  Ryan isn't better than Smith? Why? He's thrown more touchdowns and his touchdown percentage is respectably higher. 5.1 compared to 3.8. He also has around the same YPA.
                  Smith getting sacked at literally twice the rate has something to do with it.

                  Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez had something to do with it.

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                  • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                    Why should I have to? Look at the top 10 teams in the league in terms of converting third downs. All of those guys are thought as franchise quarterbacks by most people. Look at the bottom ten. Completely different story. Should be obvious why is why it wasn't posted.
                    Because converting 3rd down doesn't illustrate how many yards the team had to get to convert. That's why.

                    Averaging 3 and 3 versus averaging 3 and 8 are two ENTIRELY different worlds but the conversion percentage doesn't differentiate.

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                    • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                      That's due to good special teams putting the offense in nice field position and an opportunistic defense getting turnovers. But good special teams and good defense doesn't last as long as offenses do for years and years, unless you have rare exceptions with Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
                      Once again the offense does nothing right any success they have is due to help they get from the offense and defense. Worst 13-3 team ever with arguably the best special teams of all time and a defense with the best run defense of all time.
                      Originally posted by 49erNation85
                      I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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                      • Originally posted by ViperVisor View Post
                        Smith getting sacked at literally twice the rate has something to do with it.

                        Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez had something to do with it.
                        What? Matt Ryan wouldn't make Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree look good? Please.

                        And Smith holds on to the ball way too long some times. When Matt Ryan came to the NFL the Falcons gave up 47 sacks in 2007. In Ryan's rookie year that number went down to 17. I think the Falcons offensive line had the majority of the same starters as well. I think only two were replaced. A good quarterback can get rid of the ball faster.

                        "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                        -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                        Originally posted by Borat
                        Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                        • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                          That's due to good special teams putting the offense in nice field position and an opportunistic defense getting turnovers. But good special teams and good defense doesn't last as long as offenses do for years and years, unless you have rare exceptions with Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
                          Then just admit that "winning" isn't a priority of yours. Must be nice to simply dismiss every single positive accolade a team and/or player can have simply to isolate issues that make your point.

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                          • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
                            Because converting 3rd down doesn't illustrate how many yards the team had to get to convert. That's why.

                            Averaging 3 and 3 versus averaging 3 and 8 are two ENTIRELY different worlds but the conversion percentage doesn't differentiate.
                            You're telling me that the bottom ten teams in converting third downs don't have issues at quarterback and it's just bad luck that they aren't converting third downs and it's also luck that the top ten teams at converting third downs all have franchise quarterbacks? You sure it's not just that those teams have quarterbacks that can consistently make plays and move the chains and the cellar-dwellers don't?

                            "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                            -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                            Originally posted by Borat
                            Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                            • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
                              Then just admit that "winning" isn't a priority of yours. Must be nice to simply dismiss every single positive accolade a team and/or player can have simply to isolate issues that make your point.
                              Winning is important. But winning season after season is also important as well. 49ers are going to have a much harder season next year and may not have the turnover year they are having this season. Especially on the road against teams like New Orleans, New England, and Green Bay.

                              "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                              -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                              Originally posted by Borat
                              Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                              • Originally posted by Menardo75 View Post
                                Once again the offense does nothing right any success they have is due to help they get from the offense and defense. Worst 13-3 team ever with arguably the best special teams of all time and a defense with the best run defense of all time.
                                The offense is pretty much along for the ride. 29% on third downs pretty much seals the deal in that regard. The special teams and defense are far superior. I don't think it's a stretch to say that. Which is why I'm concerned. It's an offensive league.

                                "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                                -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                                Originally posted by Borat
                                Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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