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Shiver 12-26-2006 03:37 PM

DPOTY Debate; Bailey or Taylor?
 
Honestly, I want to see where everyone stands on this. This is a very interesting decision that will be made.
  • For Champ Bailey, he's had his best personal year, by far his best season with the Broncos. He has nine interceptions, an inordinate amount have come in the red zone to stop opposing scoring drives. It's hard to imagine a corner having a better season than this. Although the last time a Corner won the award it was Deion Sanders and Rod Woodson back to back in '93 and '94. Unlike Taylor, his team is going to make the post-season, which may have an effect.
  • For Jason Taylor, he too, has had a phenomenal season. He has 13.5 sacks, which is good but not great, what makes his numbers look special is the two interceptions for touchdowns and the nine forced fumbles. He has been dominant, and has single handidly won games, which is the corner stone by which defensive awards are usually won.

I believe this could be a very nice discussion. I could definitely see both sides of the discussion. Thoughts?

P-L 12-26-2006 03:48 PM

I think Jason Taylor should win it, but I think Champ Bailey will win it.

njx9 12-26-2006 03:56 PM

this is a tough decision. every time i think of a reason for taylor to get it, i think of a play bailey made that was equally amazing and important to his team. the fact that almost every single one of his interceptions was within the 2 yard line is ridiculous. the fact that he's shut down literally every WR he's covered and that he's been our best player in run defense on a team with some amazing linebackers is incredible.

i don't see how you could go wrong with either guy. in my opinion (and if i ran the world), they'd be one first place vote apart either way.

Ace 12-26-2006 04:02 PM

Taylor deserves it, but Champ will likely win it cause his team is likely headed to the playoffs while we are sitting on our ass at 6-9. Either way, both are great players and teams would kill to get those two.

draftguru151 12-26-2006 04:04 PM

Champ Bailey is amazing and the best CB in the league. What he has done this season has been amazing. But Jason Taylor has been just ridiculous this season. 4 in the league in sacks, 11 forced turnovers, 2 picks for TDs, around 60 tackles, and has been extremely consistent, getting at least one sack in 11 games this year.

12-26-2006 04:12 PM

the loser should get on the madden cover.

Don Vito 12-26-2006 04:15 PM

I am a Patriots fan and to see how he played against NE, there is no way Taylor should not win it. In every Dolphins game I've seen this season, you hear his name called out by the announcers on almost every play because he's always making plays. Other teams have to change there game plans around him.

I haven't seen much of Bailey the second half of the season but the was dominant the 1st half. Taylor deserves it IMO.

The Unseen 12-26-2006 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriots-Lions
I think Jason Taylor should win it, but I think Champ Bailey will win it.

Kinda how I feel, although I think JT has a good chance anyways.

Denver Bronco99 12-26-2006 04:37 PM

I think champ would be a great choice and HE IS AVOIDED.....and still has 9 ints and 20+ pd.....80+ tackles....he has already had the most redzone INTS in a year with 6 all comming in the 20 or less.....he has played against some of the best in thegame.....Moss,Johnson,Harrison,Holt and he had locked them all down

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) 12-26-2006 05:12 PM

Julius Peppers :wink:


But I dunno, both those guys are deserving. Any chance at a co-DPOY this year?

Shiver 12-26-2006 05:35 PM

The only Bailey votes are me and the three Broncos fans. :lol:

jetsfan3 12-26-2006 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver
The only Bailey votes are me and the three Broncos fans. :lol:

I voted Bailey.

How many picks does he have inside the one yard line? I remember them showing it but I wasn't really focusing.

njx9 12-26-2006 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver
The only Bailey votes are me and the three Broncos fans. :lol:

i haven't voted yet

ninerfan 12-26-2006 07:09 PM

Champ

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) 12-26-2006 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9
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Originally Posted by Shiver
The only Bailey votes are me and the three Broncos fans. :lol:

i haven't voted yet

Lol me neither.

remix 6 12-26-2006 07:14 PM

81 tackles 9 ints..i would vote Bailey..hes shut down his half COMPLETLY. i saw Moss beat him once but out of like 6-7 Bronco games i've watched..Champ has been amazing

dRaFtDoRk 12-26-2006 07:19 PM

I think its closer than what people think between the two. Champ Bailey leads the league in interceptions and is tied for the lead in passes deflected. He is really has solidified himself as the best corner in the game and then some. The thing I really like about Champ Bailey is that he has taught a lot of things to other corners like Darrent Williams and Dominique Foxworth and Karl Paymah. If you watch a Bronco game or two, you can tell that Darrent Williams is learning a lot of things from Champ.

Jason Taylor, although 32 is having a career year. He has 13.5 sacks(4th in the league), 9 forced fumbles(1st in league), 2 INT's, 2 defensive TD's(tied for lead). He is the most versatile defensive lineman this year and has really stepped up for the Dolphins.


Jason Taylor wins it.

draftguru151 12-26-2006 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dRaFtDoRk
I think its closer than what people think between the two. Champ Bailey leads the league in interceptions and is tied for the lead in passes deflected. He is really has solidified himself as the best corner in the game and then some. The thing I really like about Champ Bailey is that he has taught a lot of things to other corners like Darrent Williams and Dominique Foxworth and Karl Paymah. If you watch a Bronco game or two, you can tell that Darrent Williams is learning a lot of things from Champ.

Jason Taylor, although 32 is having a career year. He has 13.5 sacks(4th in the league), 9 forced fumbles(1st in league), 2 INT's, 2 defensive TD's(tied for lead). He is the most versatile defensive lineman this year and has really stepped up for the Dolphins.


Jason Taylor wins it.

:? Like what? Darrent Williams is awful.

njx9 12-26-2006 08:13 PM

i find it interesting that the arguments for taylor boil down to "he has some great stats and did some big things for his team". this is funny because you could literally, in every one of those statements, replace jason taylor with champ bailey and insert the relevant stats. i don't believe you can make any obvious distinction between the two.

bearsfan_51 12-26-2006 08:19 PM

The Dolphins are going to finish 6-10, that's reason enough for me to want to give the award to someone else, former Zip or not.

Ace 12-26-2006 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
The Dolphins are going to finish 6-10, that's reason enough for me to want to give the award to someone else, former Zip or not.


Sadly, the voters will likely do just that and vote for someone who is in the playoffs and doesn't deserve it as much as JT does.

elway777 12-26-2006 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace
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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
The Dolphins are going to finish 6-10, that's reason enough for me to want to give the award to someone else, former Zip or not.


Sadly, the voters will likely do just that and vote for someone who is in the playoffs and doesn't deserve it as much as JT does.

says the dolphins fan... :roll:

Ace 12-26-2006 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elway777
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Originally Posted by Ace
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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
The Dolphins are going to finish 6-10, that's reason enough for me to want to give the award to someone else, former Zip or not.


Sadly, the voters will likely do just that and vote for someone who is in the playoffs and doesn't deserve it as much as JT does.

says the dolphins fan... :roll:

I can play that game too. I can do the same because you think Champ deserves it more.

Say what you want, but JT deserves it more. Just like how you think Champ deserves it more. Both are great players, but every Phins game I saw JT was always making plays and he did it at a consistant basis.

elway777 12-26-2006 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace
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Originally Posted by elway777
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Originally Posted by Ace
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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
The Dolphins are going to finish 6-10, that's reason enough for me to want to give the award to someone else, former Zip or not.


Sadly, the voters will likely do just that and vote for someone who is in the playoffs and doesn't deserve it as much as JT does.

says the dolphins fan... :roll:

I can play that game too. I can do the same because you think Champ deserves it more.

Say what you want, but JT deserves it more. Just like how you think Champ deserves it more. Both are great players, but every Phins game I saw JT was always making plays and he did it at a consistant basis.

Im pretty much equal to both champ and jason,which is why I didn't vote.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) 12-26-2006 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace
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Originally Posted by elway777
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Originally Posted by Ace
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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51
The Dolphins are going to finish 6-10, that's reason enough for me to want to give the award to someone else, former Zip or not.


Sadly, the voters will likely do just that and vote for someone who is in the playoffs and doesn't deserve it as much as JT does.

says the dolphins fan... :roll:

I can play that game too. I can do the same because you think Champ deserves it more.

Say what you want, but JT deserves it more. Just like how you think Champ deserves it more. Both are great players, but every Phins game I saw JT was always making plays and he did it at a consistant basis.

Same with Champ though. I think they're both EQUALLY deserving, but the fact that Denver will most likely make the playoffs means he might win it. Whether he deserves it or not is debatable, as Denver is more talented than Miami, and one player on a defense can't single handedly win many games, maybe once every few years for the great ones.


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