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d34ng3l021 12-05-2007 03:37 AM

All-NFC South Team
 
Saw it at the NFC North boards...

QB Drew Brees
RB Deuce McAlister
FB Ovie Mughelli
WR Steve Smith
WR Marques Colston
TE Eric Johnson
OT Jammal Brown
OG Davis Joseph
OC
OG Mark Wahle
OT Jordan Gross

DE Julius Peppers
DE Will Smith
DT Rod Coleman
DT Jovan Haye
WLB Derrick Brooks
MLB Barrett Rudd
SLB Michael Boley
CB DeAngelo Hall
CB Mike McKenzie
FS Josh Bullocks
SS Lawyer Milloy

K John Kasay
P Michael Koenen
KR Jerious Norwood
PR Mark Jones

Caddy 12-05-2007 05:07 AM

QB: Jeff Garcia
RB: Deuce McCallister
FB: Mike Karney
WR: Joey Galloway
WR: Steve Smith
TE: Alge Crumpler
LT: Jamaal Brown
LG: Mike Wahle
C: Jeff Faine
RG: Davin Joseph
RT: Jordan Gross

LE: Julius Peppers
DT: Jovan Haye
DT: Rod Coleman
RE: John Abraham
WLB: Derrick Brooks
MLB: Barrett Ruud
SLB: Michael Boley
CB: Ronde Barber
CB: Mike McKenzie
FS: Josh Bullocks
SS: Jermaine Phillips

K: John Kasay
P: Josh Bidwell
KR: Jerious Norwood
PR: Lance Moore

dbtb135 12-05-2007 09:23 AM

This year or just based on talent alone? This year, I'd say:

QB: Drew Brees, Jeff Garcia
RB: Earnest Graham, Jerious Norwood (pretty weak)
FB: Ovie Mughelli
WR: Roddy White, Marques Colston (pretty good)
WR: Joey Galloway, Steve Smith
TE: Alge Crumpler, Jeff King
LT: Jammal Brown
LG: Arron Sears
C: Justin Hartwig or Jeff Faine
RG: Jahri Evans
RT: Jeremy Trueblood

DE: Will Smith
NT: Hollis Thomas/Maake Kemoeatu (a clear weak position of the South)
UT: Jovan Haye
DE: Julius Peppers
SLB: Michael Boley easily
MLB: Jon Beason/Barrett Ruud
WLB: Derrick Brooks (another weak position)
CB: DeAngelo Hall
CB: Mike McKenzie
SS: Jermaine Phillips
FS: Tanard Jackson/Josh Bullocks

K: John Kasay
P: Josh Bidwell
PR: Lance Moore
KR: Jerious Norwood

Honorable mention: DeShaun Foster, John Abraham, Chris Gamble, Roman Harper, Ronde Barber.

Final count: 8 Falcons, 10 Saints, 9 Panthers, 12 Bucs.

iloxygenil 12-07-2007 08:35 AM

If you don't put John Abraham at RE then your list is pretty much bogus. There isn't a better DE...different but not better. He's a freak. RB Deuce is pretty much hard to top as an every down back...I want Norwood as my situational backup to him though. WR is tough to pick just 2, but Colston and Smith are hard to argue against, but Joey and Roddy have cases as well...this year I'd have to go with Galloway and White, but overall...Smith can't be passed up. TE Crumpler, finally getting over his injuries this season and the case of the dropsies he had early on due to not being in camp you have to take him. UT is Rod Coleman if he's healthy, there isn't a better one in the league.

d34ng3l021 12-07-2007 02:50 PM

I still havent gotten used to the fact that John Abraham is our RE. Recent trade. His image as a Jet. Missing so much of the first year with injuries. Him over Will Smith for sure.

And I considered White and Galloway, but Smith and Colston are great compliments.

ATLDirtyBirds 12-07-2007 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 770593)
I still havent gotten used to the fact that John Abraham is our RE. Recent trade. His image as a Jet. Missing so much of the first year with injuries. Him over Will Smith for sure.

And I considered White and Galloway, but Smith and Colston are great compliments.



AH! You think it would be easy with only 4-5 good players to remember one of the best!

d34ng3l021 12-07-2007 10:19 PM

I dont know. I ALWAYS forget him. I forget him now. I dont remember to vote for him in the Pro Bowl...

I fail at life.

dbtb135 12-08-2007 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iloxygenil (Post 770183)
If you don't put John Abraham at RE then your list is pretty much bogus.

Well, I based mine off this year. Abraham hasn't been beastly this year.

ATLDirtyBirds 12-08-2007 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbtb135 (Post 771419)
Well, I based mine off this year. Abraham hasn't been beastly this year.


Considering he is pretty much our only threat to get to the QB, and has to deal with double teams, yes he is.


And what makes Will Smith more beastly?

Smith: 5 sacks, 1 FF, 3 passes defended

Abraham: 7 sacks, 3 FF, 4 passes defended

etk 12-08-2007 08:53 PM

QB: Drew Brees
HB: Earnest Graham
FB: Ovie Mughelli...close call, there's some good ones
WR: Joey Galloway, Marques Colston, Steve Smith
TE: Jeff King
LT: Jammal Brown
LG: Arron Sears
C: Jeff Faine
RG: Davin Joseph
RT: Jordan Gross

LE: Julius Peppers
RE: John Abraham
DT: Jovan Haye
DT: Damione Lewis
SLB: Michael Boley
MLB: Barrett Ruud
WLB: Derrick Brooks
CB: DeAngelo Hall
CB: Ronde Barber
CB: Mike McKenzie
FS: Tanard Jackson
SS: Jermaine Phillips

K: John Kasay
P: Josh Bidwell
KR: Jerious Norwood
PR: Lance Moore

12 on each team because I'm Canadian. 11 Bucs, 6 Saints, 6 Panthers, 5 Falcons.

d34ng3l021 12-09-2007 02:00 AM

Galloway over White? White has more catches, more yards, but just 2 less TDs...

etk 12-09-2007 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 772710)
Galloway over White? White has more catches, more yards, but just 2 less TDs...

Stats aren't everything...Galloway is the biggest deep threat in the league.

Draft King 12-09-2007 09:41 AM

I agree with you keeping Crumpler off the list, Jeff King has showed more this year. Though the White/Galloway choice must have been difficult I actually think you made the right one. I don't think Steve Smith deserves it this year in particular though, not saying he's bad, but his QB troubles have caused a real drop off in his stats. Not saying stats are everything, but in a year where he isn't getting the ball, I just don't think he should be up there.

Personally, I would choose Jerious Norwood > Earnest Graham but maybe that's just the homer in me because I have seen what he can do with the ball in his hands. He is a proven take it the the house guy who has now averaged over 6.0 yds/carry in both of his 2 years. The Falcons should really give him at least 10 touches a game and probably more, and I guess you can say that he hasn't had to ball enough to prove anything.

Overall pretty good list and I have shown you my thoughts and all that. I really think Rod Coleman would give those guys a run for their money had he not been injured the first couple weeks, and Lawyer Milloy at least deserves consideration. Finally somebody gives Michael Boley some recognition.

ATLDirtyBirds 12-09-2007 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etk (Post 772809)
Stats aren't everything...Galloway is the biggest deep threat in the league.



iloxygenil 12-09-2007 11:15 AM

Another thing that is REALLY annoying. How can you leave the BEST DB in our division off the list? I don't care if you don't like Deangelo Hall, he's the best, and is the only REAL option at CB in this division. Barber had his day, and Mike...well...he's part of the 28th ranked pass defense...man he's good. Come on now, no Deangelo is just hating on him and the Falcons.

Saints67 01-13-2008 01:51 PM

I'm seeing alot of Mughelli over Karney...wow.

Karney as the best FB, not even close.

BamaFalcon59 01-13-2008 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbtb135 (Post 771419)
Well, I based mine off this year. Abraham hasn't been beastly this year.

Will Smith- 7 sacks, 66 tackles, 7 tackles for loss, 2 forced fumbles, 3 pass deflections

Julius Peppers- 2.5 sacks, 30 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 3 forced fumbles, 2 blocked kicks, 1 interception, 5 pass deflections

John Abraham- 10 sacks, 32 tackles, 4 tackles for loss, 4 forced fumbles, 4 pass deflections

I think Abraham easily had the best year of the three.

Chucky 01-13-2008 09:15 PM

Here is my new team. Comments welcome

QB: Drew Brees(it was tough between him and Garcia)
RB: Earnest Graham
WR: Joey Galloway
WR:Marques Colston
TE:They all suck, Crumpler I guess, but thats all based on name
LT:Jammal Brown
LG: Arron Sears
C: Jeff Faine
RG:Jahri Evans(im not sure if he plays left or right, but if he plays left replace him with sears and put Joseph at RG)
RT: Jeremy Trueblood

DE:Will Smith
DT:Javon Haye
DT:Rod Coleman
DE:John Abraham
WLB:Derrick Brooks
MLB: Barret Ruud
SLB: Michael Boley
CB: Deangelo Hall
CB:Ronde Barber
SS:Jermaine Phillips
FS: Tanard Jackson

Ouch no panthers, thats a little weird but i dont no where iwould fit one in, based on this years play only

etk 01-13-2008 10:20 PM

Without even thinking about the other RTs in the division, I can tell you Trueblood is not the best in our division or any division for that matter. He's trash.

Chucky 01-13-2008 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etk (Post 840459)
Without even thinking about the other RTs in the division, I can tell you Trueblood is not the best in our division or any division for that matter. He's trash.

He really isnt trash, he improved a lot this year(and even got a mention as Peter Kings RT on his all-pro team I know King is trash but still), Just cuz he couldnt handle strahan, it doesnt make him trash. THe only competition was Jordan Gross.

etk 01-13-2008 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chucky (Post 840517)
He really isnt trash, he improved a lot this year(and even got a mention as Peter Kings RT on his all-pro team I know King is trash but still), Just cuz he couldnt handle strahan, it doesnt make him trash. THe only competition was Jordan Gross.

Trueblood can't handle a bull rush. His pass pro technique is disgustingly sloppy. Gross is a better overall lineman.

SchizophrenicBatman 01-14-2008 01:13 PM

Mike Wahle isn't a good guard anymore, and really hasn't been since he came to Carolina. Well, I guess he was decent the first year. Certainly not Pro Bowl quality (even though he was selected that year)

edit: and while Jeff King was a solid player for us this year, he might not even be the starter next. just run 3-4 WR sets with Galloway/Colston/Smith/White, forget TE

dbtb135 01-18-2008 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59 (Post 838911)
Will Smith- 7 sacks, 66 tackles, 7 tackles for loss, 2 forced fumbles, 3 pass deflections

Julius Peppers- 2.5 sacks, 30 tackles, 2 tackles for loss, 3 forced fumbles, 2 blocked kicks, 1 interception, 5 pass deflections

John Abraham- 10 sacks, 32 tackles, 4 tackles for loss, 4 forced fumbles, 4 pass deflections

I think Abraham easily had the best year of the three.

Abraham also had 3 sacks and 1 FF to end the year after I made my list. Should have spoken up about a month ago, you would have looked smarter...

dbtb135 01-18-2008 05:38 AM

True's owning by Michael Strahan will leave a lasting impression in the offseason, but he was much better than that this season. Plus, it's Michael Strahan 1 on 1 with a 2nd year guy we're talking about.

etk 01-18-2008 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbtb135 (Post 848856)
True's owning by Michael Strahan will leave a lasting impression in the offseason, but he was much better than that this season. Plus, it's Michael Strahan 1 on 1 with a 2nd year guy we're talking about.

I don't know if I blame it on Trueblood, for letting a future HOFer get in his head, or our OL coach for not teaching the proper fundamentals. Trueblood didn't bend his knees well and thus he got smacked around. He became Strahan's rag doll. This is something I see everytime Trueblood goes up against a bullrusher...his technique goes out of whack. If this becomes an even more consistent theme I think we should move Sears over to RT, where he has the width and body strength to keep guys like Strahan at bay.


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