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DeangeloHall4President 02-25-2007 11:23 PM

New Orleans Saints Draft thread
Assuming that none of the top Corners or Linebackers fall to the Saints in the Draft, would you draft Ted Ginn Jr.

He would add a new dimension to our offense that we do not already have with someone who has the ability to reach paydirt every time he touches the ball. He is absolutely filthy when he gets a glimpse of space. He would be a nice to have opposite of Colston. His Kick/Punt returning ability would help the Saints too, we would be able to get better field position.

What do you think?

diabsoule 02-25-2007 11:25 PM

He won't last til our pick.

UtepMiner 02-25-2007 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by diabsoule (Post 164172)
He won't last til our pick.

I agree.

If by some chance he is, I would pass only because we have so many Defensive needs.

we already have an explosive return guy, Bush.

DeangeloHall4President 02-26-2007 01:31 AM

Bush is not that great of a return man because he tries to juke to many people out and ends up losing yards some of the time. Whereas Ginn just uses his speed and goes straight up the field or breaks it to the corner, he does very little juking. the one return for a touchdown that Reggie had was poor punt coverage by the bucs more that it was reggie. Not to discredit reggie but he is not that great of a return man.
You say that Ginn will be gone, he very well could be, but with the emergence of Meachem and Bowe both showcasing their talents in the Combine and Ginn siting out the combine, he is likely due for a slide. You never know, if we did go Ginn then I think we would be alright as long as we went defense for the rest of the picks

Auron 02-26-2007 07:31 AM

Dang why are our names all messed up?

Addict 02-26-2007 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by Auron (Post 165178)
Dang what the heck is up with our names?

DeangeloHall4Prez, Utep Miner..

Says the guy who's named himself after a Final Fantasy character.

Auron 02-26-2007 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Addict (Post 165190)
Says the guy who's named himself after a Final Fantasy character.

What does that have to do with anything? I was referring to how our names were all messed up from our previous ones.

Auron is also a derivative from the Latin word for Gold, Aurum..hence the periodic table listing (Au), and Gold is the Saints primary color...

Acreboy 02-26-2007 08:40 AM

I would, if there was no better LB, DT, CB, OL, or Greg Olsen was off the board...

BiggerFoot 02-26-2007 10:48 AM

Speaking of Greg Olsen, he has put on some clinics at the combine and has likely worked his way into the bottom of the first or the beginning of the second round. His speed and his hands not to mention his lineage are all real positives for him. The only offensive players I can see the Saints taking are WR and TE, with that being said my WR favorites are Ginn and Meachem and TE are Olsen and Ben Patrick. I could see the Saints trading up in the 2nd round for Olsen or Meachem if they fall that far. Both would be great additions to our team. I think that Olsen would give our offense something we have never had. There are no great TEs in Free Agency so he would be sight for sore eyes for Brees whose wreaks havoc with a solid TE

Auron 02-26-2007 01:31 PM

Combine: Defensive Prospects
Linebackers, and Defensive linemen working out today. Who's impressing you?

edit: borrowed from the Combine thread in the draft forum.

Linebacker 40 Times

* Antwan Barnes, Florida International - 4.40
* Quincy Black, New Mexico - 4.42
* Tim Shaw, Penn State - 4.43
* Patrick Willis, Mississippi - 4.49
* Justin Durant, Hampton - 4.51
* Chad Nkang, Elon - 4.51
* Juwan Simpson, Alabama - 4.51
* David Harris, Michigan - 4.53
* Zak DeOssie, Brown - 4.53
* Lawrence Timmons, Florida State - 4.59
* Jon Beason, Miami - 4.64
* Buster Davis, Florida State - 4.67
* Paul Posluszny, Penn State - 4.68
* Stewert Bradley, Nebraska - 4.69
* Michael Okwo, Stanford - 4.69
* Sam Olajubutu, Arkansas - 4.69
* Rufus Alexander, Oklahoma - 4.70
* Dallas Sartz, USC - 4.70
* Quinton Culberson, Mississippi State - 4.77
* KaMichael Hall, Georgia Tech - 4.79
* Blair Phillips, Oregon - 4.82
* Kelvin Smith, Syracuse - 4.83
* Earl Everett, Florida - 4.88
* Prescott Burrgess, Michigan - 4.90
* Jon Abbate Wake, Forest
* Desmond Bishop, California
* H.B. Blades, Pittsburgh
* Nate Harris, Louisville
* Zach Latimer, Oklahoma
* Marvin Mitchell, Tennessee
* Brandon Siler, Florida
* Justin Warren, Texas A&M
* Anthony Waters, Clemson
* Rory Johnson, Ole Miss
* Stephen Nicholas, South Florida
* Tony Taylor, Georgia

Linebacker Bench Press Results (225)

* Desmond Bishop, Cal-Berkeley 33
* Antwan Barnes, Florida Int. 31
* Stephen Nicholas, South Florida 29
* Stewart Bradley, Nebraska 28
* Jonathan Abbate, Wake Forest 26
* Zak Deossie, Brown 26
* Nate Harris, Louisville 26
* Kelvin Smith, Syracuse 26
* Tony Taylor, Georgia 26
* Tim Shaw, Penn St. 26
* Lawrence Timmons, Florida St. 25
* Anthony Waters, Clemson 25
* Rufus Alexander, Oklahoma 25
* Justin Durant, Hampton 25
* Quincy Black, New Mexico 24
* Buster Davis, Florida St. 24
* Sam Olajubutu, Arkansas 24
* David Harris, Michigan 23
* Blair Phillips, Oregon 23
* Chad Nkang, Elon 23
* Patrick Willis, Mississippi 22
* Paul Poslusny, Penn St. 22
* Marvin Mitchell, Tennessee 22
* H.B. Blades, Pittsburgh 22
* Michael Okwo, Stanford 20
* Dallas Sartz, Southern Cal 20
* Jon Beason Miami, (Fla.) 19
* Prescott Burgess, Michigan 19
* Earl Everett, Florida 19
* Rory Johnson, Mississippi 19
* Zach Latimer, Oklahoma 19
* Quinton Culberson, Mississippi St. 18
* Justin Warren, Texas A&M 16
* Juwan Simpson, Alabama 15

Inside Linebackers

* Jon Abbate Wake, Forest 5096 231
* Desmond Bishop, California 6017 239
* H.B. Blades, Pittsburgh 5106 236
* Quinton Culberson, Mississippi St. 6005 236
* Buster Davis, Florida St. 5093 239
* Zak DeOssie, Brown 6045 250
* David Harris, Michigan 6022 243
* Nate Harris, Louisville 6003 230
* Zach Latimer, Oklahoma 6016 237
* Marvin Mitchell, Tennessee 6030 249
* Chad Nkang, Elon 5114 220
* Michael Okwo, Stanford 5113 232
* Blair Phillips, Oregon 6011 243
* Brandon Siler, Florida 6016 241
* Kelvin Smith, Syracuse 6020 240
* Justin Warren, Texas A&M 6025 245
* Anthony Waters, Clemson 6025 245
* Patrick Willis, Ole Miss 6011 242

Outside Linebackers

* Rufus Alexander, Oklahoma 6007 228
* Antwan Barnes, Florida International 6005 240
* Jon Beason, Miami (FL) 6002 237
* Quincy Black, New Mexico 6015 240
* Stewart Bradley, Nebraska 6036 254
* Prescott Burgess, Michigan 6033 240
* Justin Durant, Hampton 6007 230
* Earl Everett, Florida 6024 238
* KaMichael Hall, Georgia Tech 6000 228
* Rory Johnson, Ole Miss 6001 232
* Stephen Nicholas, South Florida 6013 232
* Sam Olajubutu, Arkansas 5086 227
* Paul Posluszny, Penn St. 6015 238
* Dallas Sartz, USC 6047 235
* Tim Shaw, Penn St. 6014 236
* Juwan Simpson, Alabama 6023 225
* Tony Taylor, Georgia 6004 236
* Lawrence Timmons, Florida St. 6007 234

Heights are listed in scouting terminology and the last number represents 1/8 of an inch.
Ex. 511 would be 5-11 7/8, 6044 would be 6-4 1/2, 5093 would be 5-9 3/8, etc...

TPFKA#1SaintsFan 02-26-2007 01:52 PM

Barnes is a freak.

Auron 02-26-2007 02:27 PM

I think with Willis' combine numbers that takes him out of our reach, as he will probably be the 1st LB off the board now.

I really like what I saw from Poz, and some of the other LBs...

really wish Cornerbacks would run today. I will be awaiting that.

Sveen 02-26-2007 05:01 PM

Desmond Bishop having 33 reps at 225 is impressive. I would like to see us pick him up on Day 2. Don't know much about him, but Antwan Barnes running a 4.40 is also very impressive.

Auron 02-27-2007 05:46 AM

Cornerbacks run today,going to be really interested in that.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan 02-27-2007 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Auron (Post 169767)
Cornerbacks run today,going to be really interested in that.

I hope Aaron Ross doesn't run *too* good so we can still have a shot at him.

Auron 02-27-2007 12:36 PM

Defensive Backs 40 Times

Chris Houston, Arkansas - 4.32

Marcus McCauley, Fresno State - 4.33

LaRon Landry, LSU - 4.35

Josh Wilson, Maryland - 4.35

Eric Wright, UNLV - 4.38

Jonathan Wade, Tennessee - 4.38

Kenny Scott, Georgia Tech - 4.37

Leon Hall, Michigan - 4.39

Tarvarious Bain, Hampton - 4.43

Anthony Arline, Baylor - 4.43

John Wendling, Wyoming - 4.43

Michael Griffin, Texas - 4.45

Sabby Piscitelli, Oregon State - 4.44

Aaron Ross, Texas - 4.47

Bo Smith, Weber State - 4.48

Brandon Meriweather, Miami - 4.49

Eric Weddle, Utah - 4.51

Chinedum Ndukwe, Notre Dame - 4.51

Ryan Smith, Florida - 4.51

C.J. Wilson, Baylor - 4.52

Marvin White, TCU - 4.53

Reggie Nelson, Florida - 4.53

Brandon McDonald, Memphis - 4.57

Darren Stone, Maine - 4.58

Trumaine McBride, Ole Miss - 4.58

Kevin Payne, LA-Monroe - 4.59

Leonard Peters, Hawaii - 4.68

Marcus Paschal, Iowa - 4.69

Chaz Williams, LA-Monroe - 4.72

Daymeion Hughes, California - 4.72

J.D. Nelson, Oregon - 4.86

Tanard Jackson, Syracuse -

Darrelle Revis, Pitt - DNR

Cornerbacks Ht. and Wt.

Anthony Arline Baylor 6016 199
Travarous Bain Hampton 6002 182
Fred Bennett South Carolina 6007 196
Tyron Brackenridge Washington St. 5114 189
Tarell Brown Texas 5105 190
Michael Coe Alabama St. 6005 190
Duane Coleman Clemson 5093 199
A.J. Davis North Carolina St. 5100 193
C.J. Gaddis Clemson 5114 203
Dashon Goldson Washington
Corey Graham New Hampshire 5117 195
Leon Hall Michigan 5112 193
Chris Houston Arkansas 5097 185
Daymeion Hughes California 5101 190
David Irons Auburn 5102 190
DeAndre Jackson Iowa St. 5113 193
Tanard Jackson Syracuse
Reggie Lewis Florida 5100 204
Trumaine McBride Ole Miss 5091 185
Marcus McCauley Fresno St. 6006 203
Brandon McDonald Memphis 5107 181
Darrelle Revis Pittsburgh 5114 204
Aaron Ross Texas 6004 193
Kenny Scott Georgia Tech 6007 179
Ryan Smith Florida 5102 174
Bo Smith Weber St. 5102 193
Jonathan Wade Tennessee 5100 190
Chaz Williams Louisiana-Monroe 5111 196
C.J. Wilson Baylor 6012 196
Josh Wilson Maryland 5092 189
Eric Wright UNLV 5105 192

Auron 02-27-2007 12:57 PM

Houston and McCauley surprised with super fast times, Daymeion Hughes with a 4.72 kills him. He'll slip to late day 1, maybe day 2 with that.

diabsoule 02-27-2007 01:37 PM

Hughes is probably going to fall into Day 2. I'm suprised Ross' time wasn't faster.

I think by the looks of the 40's and their weigh-in we will definately be able to address our CB needs in the 1st if Willis and Puz are off the board.

BiggerFoot 02-27-2007 11:00 PM

I think that we should draft a defensive back with the 2nd round pick. I just do not think that we will get good value at CB because the creme of the crop will be gone. I think that Fred Bennett or maybe if we are really lucky Aaron Ross in the 2nd.
Whomever we draft we need a playmaker on Defense we did not really have one last year. Our defense needs to cause more turnovers, we did not cause very many last year and that is a huge boost in a game.

Flyboy 02-28-2007 01:39 PM

I'm wanting Chris Houston so bad right now it's scary.

diabsoule 02-28-2007 03:40 PM

There are a few defensive backs I would like to get: Leon Hall, Darrelle Revis, Aaron Ross, Fred Bennett, Tanard Jackson... Even some guys to look to in the later rounds like Michael Coe and DeAndre Jackson.

I'm very iffy about Chris Houston, esp. now that he has the Ahmad Carroll comparison.

Auron 02-28-2007 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by diabsoule (Post 173431)
I'm very iffy about Chris Houston, esp. now that he has the Ahmad Carroll comparison.

I don't think he'll be anything like Carroll, people say that because they have similar height and were both Arkansas CB.

Houston has a better work ethic, and improved every year at Arkansas. He is
also a lot stronger than Carroll and can jam receivers at the line.

I'm actually starting to think he might be gone before 27 as well as guys like Willis, Olsen...so that might limit the options.

I'm starting to feel really questionable about Tanard Jackson, he seems like he has trouble in deep coverage and might be better suited to be a safety, or zone corner.


Does not have very good hands or ball skills...Not much of a playmaker...Can be too aggressive at times...Timed speed is only average at best and he might have trouble in deep coverage...Has character questions that need to be looked into.

Saints Dome Patrol 02-28-2007 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Auron (Post 173460)
I don't think he'll be anything like Carroll, people say that because they have similar height and were both Arkansas CB.

Houston has a better work ethic, and improved every year at Arkansas. He is
also a lot stronger than Carroll and can jam receivers at the line.

I'm actually starting to think he might be gone before 27 as well as guys like Willis, Olsen...so that might limit the options.

I'm starting to feel really questionable about Tanard Jackson, he seems like he has trouble in deep coverage and might be better suited to be a safety, or zone corner.

Personally, I talked to diabsoule about Chris Houston that the only comparison I can attach between him and Ahmad Carroll is just like you said, height, and of course, that they're both from Arkansas.

With the recent blazing 4.32 speed in the 40 in Indianapolis, Houston may have boosted himself out of the late first/early second to one of the top cornerbacks taken in April.

That being said, with players like Houston and Patrick Willis separating themselves from the rest of the pack, we might be in a pickle on Draft day.

Auron 04-14-2007 01:33 AM

Saints Draft Discussion
With the Draft rapidly approaching, just under 2 weeks now. Figured we could use a thread just for some Hardcore Draft talk, and post in it during the Draft.

So we've seen the combine, pro-day results, we've had some time to watch a little film on prospects. Who are the prospects you guys really like? Anyone have any player rankings, or big board made yet?

Here are the confirmed prospects that have personally visited / or are scheduled to visit with the Saints:

Paul Posluszny (OLB) Penn St.

Penn State linebacker Paul Posluszny has interviews scheduled with San Diego and New Orleans.
- Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Trent Edwards (QB) Stanford.

John Murphy, of Yahoo! Sports, reports the New Orleans Saints have a private visit set up with Stanford QB Trent Edwards.
John Beck (QB) BYU

BYU QB John Beck, who just welcomed a baby boy named Ty in Utah, will visit the Saints, Ravens and Lions.
Marcus McCauley (CB) Fresno St.

McCauley just returned from an official visit with the Eagles, and is now going to San Diego, then New York on Thursday and New Orleans on Sunday. After that: the Patriots, Giants and Titans.
Eric Wright (CB) UNLV

KFFL has learned the New Orleans Saints will meet with University of Nevada-Las Vegas CB Eric Wright April 14-15.
Ray McDonald (DT/DE) Florida

The 6-foot-4, 276-pound lineman has recovered from two serious knee surgeries two years ago and has been drawing interest from the New York Giants, New York Jets, Kansas City Chiefs, Carolina Panthers, Browns, Saints, Miami Dolphins, Cincinnati Bengals, Falcons and San Francisco 49ers. (reported on Sirius radio we have set up a visit)
Joe Staley (OT) Central Mich.

Staley currently has visits scheduled with the St. Louis Rams and New Orleans Saints.
If anyone else knows of any prospects that have met with the Saints post them here please.

diabsoule 04-14-2007 04:28 AM

Here is the official Saints Draft Discussion thread!

I'd like to thank Auron for taking the time to point out that we need a thread like this just for who we think the either the Saints should draft or for official visits by upcoming members of this years draft.

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