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JaxJag_1 11-11-2008 03:29 PM

Why So Much Hate On Josh Freeman?
 
Is it just because of his inconsistency and decision making?

Cigaro 11-11-2008 03:30 PM

He sucks. That's why.

JaxJag_1 11-11-2008 03:35 PM

elaborate on why please........

Cigaro 11-11-2008 03:37 PM

God frowns on him, daily.

JaxJag_1 11-11-2008 03:39 PM

I was unaware of that.

I'm not a K State fan either, just wondering why people dislike him.

BeerBaron 11-11-2008 03:39 PM

Hes got great physical tools, he just hasn't quite put them together. If he were to enter this draft, he would probably be taken higher than his performance s would warrant based on his immense physical ability, just probably not top 5 or anything like that. Even Jamarcus Russell proved a little while at LSU.

Babylon 11-11-2008 03:47 PM

He has the good size and arm strength and decent mobility but that is maybe overstated by his supporters. Like all Big-12 QBs i would like to see what they can do outside their comfort zone which is throwing short passes and relying on receivers to get YAC to make them look good. In his defense he probably throws deep more than any other QB in that league. His accuracy and decision making is really his big negative and i think if he can improve on that he could be a steal in the 3rd-4th round area. In his league i would put him behind Bradford and McCoy but ahead of the others.

JaxJag_1 11-11-2008 03:48 PM

I agree with you that J. Freeman has not put it all together, but what makes him so different from Matt Stafford at UGA?

and Freeman has no where near the talent that UGA has

JaxJag_1 11-11-2008 03:49 PM

Okay, so let me ask a question, IF Freeman can improve his decision making and his accuracy how good could he be, what would his ceiling be then?

draftguru151 11-11-2008 03:51 PM

It has mostly to do with mythbusta/starheather overrating him by a ridiculous amount. If it weren't for that people would see him for what he is, a guy with amazing tools that hasn't put it all together, opposed to everyone hating on him because mythbusta is annoying.

STARHEATHER 11-11-2008 03:56 PM

probably because of me. that being said and all his supposed deficiencies, he still has the best physical ability of any qb available. i dont know if he comes out, but if he does he has first rd value just on his physical skills alone

JaxJag_1 11-11-2008 03:59 PM

Well IF he puts it all together in the NFL (accuracy, decision making) how good could he be?

Babylon 11-11-2008 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaxJag_1 (Post 1308012)
I agree with you that J. Freeman has not put it all together, but what makes him so different from Matt Stafford at UGA?

and Freeman has no where near the talent that UGA has

I think you're better off comparing him to McCoy and Bradford because he isnt in the same stratosphere as Stafford as a QB.

JaxJag_1 11-11-2008 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 1308040)
I think you're better off comparing him to McCoy and Bradford because he isnt in the same stratosphere as Stafford as a QB.

Well Stafford too has all the tools minus the mobility that Freeman has, and Stafford has way more talent at UGA. And Stafford isn't there yet as we saw vs. the Gator defense 2 weeks ago.

I'm not a hater on Stafford or a fan of Freeman, I'm just wondering

Babylon 11-11-2008 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaxJag_1 (Post 1308048)
Well Stafford too has all the tools minus the mobility that Freeman has, and Stafford has way more talent at UGA. And Stafford isn't there yet as we saw vs. the Gator defense 2 weeks ago.

I'm not a hater on Stafford or a fan of Freeman, I'm just wondering

Can we stop thinking that every black QB is Vince Young, Freeman isnt all that mobile just like Jamarcus Russell isnt.

JaxJag_1 11-11-2008 04:06 PM

he's mobile for his size at 6'6" 250

STARHEATHER 11-11-2008 04:07 PM

he could be daunte culpepper or he could be quinn gray. for me you roll the dice, because if hes culpepper and you pass and someone else gets him its worse than him busting. anywhere in the mid late rd 1 i think if you need a qb you have to roll the dice. his plays taken him out of the highest spots. he hasnt played any worse than stafford, and there is nothing stafford can do physically throwing that he cant. hes a better athlete with more prototype body. if the team roles were reversed, i wonder if thered even be conversation. i only have 4 guys id pick really at the moment. stafford, freeman, pike, perriloux. the rest are in the g file. its damn near impossible to win a sb with an undersize weak arm qb. it hasnt happened much recently. so i like freeman

DragonFireKai 11-11-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaxJag_1 (Post 1308059)
he's mobile for his size at 6'6" 250

Which is like being the world's tallest dwarf. You're not very tall, and Freeman isn't very mobile. Pound for pound talent means very little in proffesional sports, it's a matter of absolute ability. Freeman is about as mobile as Byron Leftwich.

JaxJag_1 11-11-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DragonFireKai (Post 1308070)
Which is like being the world's tallest dwarf. You're not very tall, and Freeman isn't very mobile. Pound for pound talent means very little in proffesional sports, it's a matter of absolute ability. Freeman is about as mobile as Byron Leftwich.

I'm a Jaguars fan, and I've seen Byron run and Josh Freeman is much more mobile than Byron ever was

P-L 11-11-2008 04:12 PM

Most people don't hate him, they are just sick of him being overhyped on this board. Even before mythbusta/starheather got here I saw a handful of people put him #1 overall in their mock. Realistically, he's still a good quarterback. If he came out this year he'd probably be a fringe 1st Round pick. I still think he's only the fourth best underclassmen quarterback, but that's still a compliment considering the strength of the junior and sophomore classes.

STARHEATHER 11-11-2008 04:17 PM

i think he has 15 rushing tds. i guess its possible those could all be sneaks. 30 total tds. tebow esque #s on that pretty bad team. hes as mobile as anyone. and better throwing on the run as well as just running

draftguru151 11-11-2008 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonFireKai (Post 1308070)
Which is like being the world's tallest dwarf. You're not very tall, and Freeman isn't very mobile. Pound for pound talent means very little in proffesional sports, it's a matter of absolute ability. Freeman is about as mobile as Byron Leftwich.

Wow, the two aren't even close. Freeman isn't a Vince Young running but he is stilll pretty mobile for any sized QB (legit pro QB at least). Leftwich had two left feet. Freeman is pretty close to Culpepper in terms of running ability.

STARHEATHER 11-11-2008 04:18 PM

now i have two names. can you change my name to mythbusta/starheather?

doingthisinsteadofwork 11-11-2008 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 1308055)
Can we stop thinking that every black QB is Vince Young, Freeman isnt all that mobile just like Jamarcus Russell isnt.

Really?Since when?He isn't Vince Young but he can still move around pretty well.

bspen4 11-11-2008 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonFireKai (Post 1308070)
Which is like being the world's tallest dwarf. You're not very tall, and Freeman isn't very mobile. Pound for pound talent means very little in proffesional sports, it's a matter of absolute ability. Freeman is about as mobile as Byron Leftwich.

He has over 300 rushing yards but your saying he isn't mobile?


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