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princefielder28 03-04-2007 12:58 PM

Visanthe Shiancoe signed by Minnesota
 
Terms of the deal 5 years/ 18.5 mil

yourfavestoner 03-04-2007 01:00 PM

Sounds about right for the re-established market prices.

Vikes99ej 03-04-2007 01:00 PM

Hooray for us!!! Rep points for the first person who can seriously tell me anything positive about him!!

Chucky 03-04-2007 01:01 PM

he has a cool name?

princefielder28 03-04-2007 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej (Post 186936)
Hooray for us!!! Rep points for the first person who can seriously tell me anything positive about him!!

He's somebody that actually wanted to go play for the Vikings is a positive

tjsunstein 03-04-2007 01:09 PM

He has the balls to play for the worst team in the NFC North next year.

miamichamp_305 03-04-2007 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej (Post 186936)
Hooray for us!!! Rep points for the first person who can seriously tell me anything positive about him!!

He's a TE. Was drafted out of Morgan State by the Giants in the 3rd round in 2003. Played 30 games in college, 52 catches for 1001 yards. And for his 4 years in the NFL has a total of 35 receptions for 253 yards.

Do I get my rep points now?

yourfavestoner 03-04-2007 01:11 PM

Scouting report from an old Giants website.

Scouting Report: A sleeper pick who was rapidly rising up the charts immediately before the draft. Has good size and size potential. Very athletic with excellent speed for a tight end. Can stretch the field. Has excellent hands and will make tough catches in traffic. Good runner after the catch. Works hard at his blocking and is a decent blocker, but needs to work on his strength, bulk, and technique in order to improve his power as an in-line blocker. Good blocker on the move as an H-Back. Small school background so he is raw and needs a lot of route running refinement. However, his college team used him at tight end, H-Back, and in the slot as a receiver - something the Giants will most likely do as well. As a senior, he caught 25 catches for 510 yards (20.4 avg.) and 5 touchdowns.

What Ernie Accorsi Had to Say: "This was a target for us, this is a very talented player. He is an A medical but he only played eight games and he has a twenty-yard average, one was a seventy-five yarder and we picked him off of that. He just absolutely knocked the lights out of Indianapolis (the Combine), he was the star of Indianapolis, he was at the top level on all the drills and he caught the ball, it wasn't just the gymnastics. The thing our coaches have made very clear was that our best, most productive formation was two tight-ends, two wide-outs and one back. We lost (TE Dan) Campbell, this guy will have to learn to be as good a blocker as Campbell but he's faster and he's got great hands so we were very excited. We didn't think we'd get him, we thought he would go earlier and we weren't going to pick a tight-end in the first round. We were thinking about trading up to get him in the second round...He's not Campbell, he is kind of the opposite, he's not this big, powerful blocker, I think he has the kind of body and athletic body that he could become an excellent blocker but he just has more receiver skills. He'll become an outstanding blocker, they just haven't had the program there that they had years and years ago but if we didn't think he was going to be an outstanding blocker we wouldn't have drafted him...I mean he obviously won't beat out (TE Jeremy) Shockey but in the formation he is going to have to play."

What Shiancoe's College Coach Had to Say: "He's like a wide receiver who can block. We changed our offense because of the things he could do."

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/draft/draftr03.htm

Vikes99ej 03-04-2007 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner (Post 186974)
Scouting report from an old Giants website.

Scouting Report: A sleeper pick who was rapidly rising up the charts immediately before the draft. Has good size and size potential. Very athletic with excellent speed for a tight end. Can stretch the field. Has excellent hands and will make tough catches in traffic. Good runner after the catch. Works hard at his blocking and is a decent blocker, but needs to work on his strength, bulk, and technique in order to improve his power as an in-line blocker. Good blocker on the move as an H-Back. Small school background so he is raw and needs a lot of route running refinement. However, his college team used him at tight end, H-Back, and in the slot as a receiver - something the Giants will most likely do as well. As a senior, he caught 25 catches for 510 yards (20.4 avg.) and 5 touchdowns.

What Ernie Accorsi Had to Say: "This was a target for us, this is a very talented player. He is an A medical but he only played eight games and he has a twenty-yard average, one was a seventy-five yarder and we picked him off of that. He just absolutely knocked the lights out of Indianapolis (the Combine), he was the star of Indianapolis, he was at the top level on all the drills and he caught the ball, it wasn't just the gymnastics. The thing our coaches have made very clear was that our best, most productive formation was two tight-ends, two wide-outs and one back. We lost (TE Dan) Campbell, this guy will have to learn to be as good a blocker as Campbell but he's faster and he's got great hands so we were very excited. We didn't think we'd get him, we thought he would go earlier and we weren't going to pick a tight-end in the first round. We were thinking about trading up to get him in the second round...He's not Campbell, he is kind of the opposite, he's not this big, powerful blocker, I think he has the kind of body and athletic body that he could become an excellent blocker but he just has more receiver skills. He'll become an outstanding blocker, they just haven't had the program there that they had years and years ago but if we didn't think he was going to be an outstanding blocker we wouldn't have drafted him...I mean he obviously won't beat out (TE Jeremy) Shockey but in the formation he is going to have to play."

What Shiancoe's College Coach Had to Say: "He's like a wide receiver who can block. We changed our offense because of the things he could do."

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/draft/draftr03.htm


WINNER!!!

Sorry, MiamiChamp, but you were just telling me basic stats, and from looking at those I can't really say they are positives.

miamichamp_305 03-04-2007 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej (Post 186983)
WINNER!!!

Sorry, MiamiChamp, but you were just telling me basic stats, and from looking at those I can't really say they are positives.

Damn :'( I'm going to go cut myself now.

princefielder28 03-04-2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by miamichamp_305 (Post 186988)
Damn :'( I'm going to go cut myself now.

Don't make a mess! :)

miamichamp_305 03-04-2007 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 186994)
Don't make a mess! :)

To late. Now I have to go listen to some rap to sooth my soul.

yourfavestoner 03-04-2007 01:19 PM

His athleticism leads me to believe that he still has a ton of untapped potential. I just can't imagine why he couldn't put up better numbers, though, especially with defenses more focused on Shockey. One of the Giants fans could tell you more than I can, though.

etk 03-04-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej (Post 186983)
WINNER!!!

Sorry, MiamiChamp, but you were just telling me basic stats, and from looking at those I can't really say they are positives.

I say Chucky is the winner, because the only positive about Shiancoe is his name.

Vikes99ej 03-04-2007 01:23 PM

Is it basically the consensus that Shaincoe sucks?

JoeMontainya 03-04-2007 01:24 PM

Thats alot of money to a guy that is a third string TE on good teams.

Number 10 03-04-2007 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner (Post 187013)
His athleticism leads me to believe that he still has a ton of untapped potential. I just can't imagine why he couldn't put up better numbers, though, especially with defenses more focused on Shockey. One of the Giants fans could tell you more than I can, though.

More of a workout warrior than anything. Very impressive in the weight room and actually beats Shockey in wind sprints. But I never see him use that speed on the field as I think he just lacks the foot quickness and instincts to know how to use his athleticism.

etk 03-04-2007 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej (Post 187033)
Is it basically the consensus that Shaincoe sucks?

I'd take Jermaine Wiggins over him any day.

Vikes99ej 03-04-2007 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by etk (Post 187043)
I'd take Jermaine Wiggins over him any day.

Now that's bad. Jermaine is both old AND fat. Lethal combo.

yourfavestoner 03-04-2007 01:28 PM

So he's the Matt Jones of tight ends. Gotcha.

Vikes99ej 03-04-2007 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner (Post 187059)
So he's the Matt Jones of tight ends. Gotcha.

I always thought that Matt Jones was pretty good... isn't he fast, though?

Number 10 03-04-2007 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej (Post 187063)
I always thought that Matt Jones was pretty good... isn't he fast, though?

Not on the field,.

etk 03-04-2007 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej (Post 187058)
Now that's bad. Jermaine is both old AND fat. Lethal combo.

At least he can catch.

Vikes99ej 03-04-2007 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by etk (Post 187122)
At least he can catch.

If he was still productive we'd still have him.

etk 03-04-2007 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej (Post 187152)
If he was still productive we'd still have him.

He was productive a few years ago. I had him on my fantasy team and he would always get like 8 catches for 30 yards lol.


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