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LarryJohnson27 03-04-2007 04:16 PM

Difference between Cover 2 and Tampa 2?
 
There is a difference correct? What is it?

ny10804 03-04-2007 04:28 PM

Something like in the Tampa 2 the MLB drops back farther into coverage or something.

LarryJohnson27 03-04-2007 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ny10804 (Post 187536)
Something like in the Tampa 2 the MLB drops back farther into coverage or something.

Exactly what I thought, but I wasn't sure if that was all.

energizerbunny 03-04-2007 04:37 PM

in the tampa 2 the safties split out further to the sideline and the MLB drops back further inbetween the safties. It almost requires a saftey type coverage Mike.

art vandelay 03-04-2007 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by energizerbunny (Post 187573)
in the tampa 2 the safties split out further to the sideline and the MLB drops back further inbetween the safties. It almost requires a saftey type coverage Mike.

Well put...aka why the Bills let London Fletcher walk.

energizerbunny 03-04-2007 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by art vandelay (Post 187785)
Well put...aka why the Bills let London Fletcher walk.

usually you want a tall Mike in the Tampa 2 as well. Since it will make it harder to throw over him. This is one of the reaons Urlacher is so successful in this system.

art vandelay 03-04-2007 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by energizerbunny (Post 188183)
usually you want a tall Mike in the Tampa 2 as well. Since it will make it harder to throw over him. This is one of the reaons Urlacher is so successful in this system.

Yes, plus Fletcher really isn't a good coverage LBer, he's more of a thumper. Also, he isn't that good in "flying to the ball," he is more likely to let the runner come to him.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) 03-04-2007 07:35 PM

They're pretty much the same thing these days. The Tampa 2 just takes away one of the weaknesses of the Cover 2. Teams don't run a Madden-style cover 2.

Zbikowski_9 03-04-2007 07:35 PM

Patrick Willis should be a big target for these teams, i think he is on the Bills list. He is nice and tall and a good coverage MLB

BuffaloDraftGeek 03-04-2007 07:37 PM

Tampa 2 is a variation of the cover 2. Sort of like asking what the difference between the basic 46 and bears 46 is. Its taking one, and making adjustments to it. If those adjustments are good (which they were) it becomes the norm of that scheme.

etk 03-04-2007 08:02 PM

the Difference Is That Cover 2 Sucks & Tampa 2 Owns

etk 03-04-2007 08:03 PM

Just because it's called Tampa 2 doesn't mean only Tampa runs it....I've seen Lofa Tatupu drop pretty far many times.

sweetness34 03-04-2007 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by etk (Post 188325)
Just because it's called Tampa 2 doesn't mean only Tampa runs it....I've seen Lofa Tatupu drop pretty far many times.

Indy, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, and Tampa run that type of system (I'm sure there are more but I can't think of them).

Billingsley26 03-04-2007 09:07 PM

That exaplains why two years ago Gary Brackett (i think it was him, could be cato June as well) had so many picks. Dropping back that far into coverage would allow him to have more opportunities.

seahawks_blue 03-05-2007 12:21 AM

Tampa 2 vs. Cover 2
 
In the Tampa 2 the MLB essentially becomes the middle safety, making it like a Cover 3 defense. To execute this style of defense, a team has to have a very athletic MLB whose primary responsibility is to cover the deep middle of the field, while the secondary responsibility is to help out in run support. Few MLB's come to mind that can execute both responsibilities well enough (Urlacher, Vilma, Tatupu). Energizerbunny had a point about having a taller MLB, but that's more of a secondary trait to the speed (what good does a 6'4" linebacker have if he can't get 20 yards back; note that Urlacher has the speed and the height coveted).

What the MLB does is check to see if the tight end or slot receiver is running any sort of route up the deep middle. If they see a deep middle route developing, the MLB covers the deep middle receiver (or the deep middle zone if the receiver leaves that zone).

Because of the personnel preferences (small, fast front 7, bigger CBs and hard hitting safeties), one way to exploit the tampa 2 is to run the ball up the middle or off-tackle. The design concedes 4 yards/carry if you take it, with the normal 7-vs-7 box. A more specific way is the draw up the middle, making sure the tight end releases as if he were running a passing route. This draws the MLB up the middle, leaving a larger hole for the RB to run through.

Because of the responsibility of the MLB to drop deep into coverage, he often becomes the main target of offensive game-planners to exploit in the passing game. The primary way to attack it right now is to high-low the MLB. In the super bowl, Indy sent Dallas Clark up the middle on seam routes all day, lifting Urlacher up into the deep middle zone. This left the short middle zone open for Rhodes and Addai to catch little dump off passes for 5-10 yards a pop, consistently moving the chains.

Here's a couple links to help:
Introducing Cover 2/Tampa 2:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ram...hp?p=167&cat=1

Running against the Colts (Tampa 2 scheme):
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...inicamps/4772/

Caddy 03-05-2007 03:40 AM

Nice links.

RoyHall#1 03-05-2007 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by etk (Post 188321)
the Difference Is That Cover 2 Sucks & Tampa 2 Owns

Yeah, the Bear's defense sucks. All they did was take their team to the super bowl with Rex Grossman at QB.

fenikz 03-05-2007 01:25 PM

the bears basically run the tampa 2

niel89 03-05-2007 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyHall#1 (Post 189937)
Yeah, the Bear's defense sucks. All they did was take their team to the super bowl with Rex Grossman at QB.

yeah they run the defense that is refered to as the tampa 2. you fail

Space Ghost 03-05-2007 06:59 PM



:lol: I really hope that that emoticon works on the new boards or my sarcasm towards this picture will not be seen.

etk 03-05-2007 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyHall#1 (Post 189937)
Yeah, the Bear's defense sucks. All they did was take their team to the super bowl with Rex Grossman at QB.

The Bears run the Tampa 2. Lovie won't admit it, but it's true. He WAS a Bucs co-ordinator before the Rams and eventually Bears, you know? Brian Urlacher drops farther than I've ever seen Quarles drop. The Bears completely run the Tampa 2. They even copy Simeon Rice by lining up Anderson in a 7-tech and sprinting him at the QB. Every little detail of that defense is a complete copy of the Tampa 2.

kmartin575 04-11-2007 07:48 PM

Does anybody know which one the Chiefs run?

Moses 04-11-2007 07:52 PM

Cover 2


Tampa 2

YAYareaRB 04-11-2007 08:33 PM

I believe it also calls for physical corners as well.

yourfavestoner 04-11-2007 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by etk (Post 188325)
Just because it's called Tampa 2 doesn't mean only Tampa runs it....I've seen Lofa Tatupu drop pretty far many times.

That's because every single team in the league runs Tampa Two and Cover Two plays.


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