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Somse 04-13-2009 11:03 AM

2009 NFC North Positional Rankings
 
2009 NFC North Positional Rankings

Offense

Overall Offense:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Chicago Bears
4. Detroit Lions

QB:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Chicago Bears
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Detroit Lions

RB:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

WR/TE:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Detroit Lions
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Chicago Bears

OL:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

Defense

Overall Defense:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

DL:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

LB:
1. Chicago Bears
2. Green Bay Packers
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Detroit Lions

DB:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Chicago Bears
4. Detroit Lions

Kid_Ego 04-13-2009 12:32 PM

Minnesota 3rd at LB? uhm HELL NO no worse then second probably first
Henderson Greenway and Leber? Popinga Barnett Hawk? atleast second and last year Briggs and urlacher got there butts handed to them.

Somse 04-13-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid_Ego (Post 1596116)
Minnesota 3rd at LB? uhm HELL NO no worse then second probably first
Henderson Greenway and Leber? Popinga Barnett Hawk? atleast second and last year Briggs and urlacher got there butts handed to them.

Vikings' linebackers benefit greatly from playing behind that great offensive line. Henderson and Leber are mostly just thumpers. Greenway is a rising player but he's still not as good as Urlacher or Briggs.

Packers have Barnett, Hawk, Kampman, Poppinga, and Chillar at LB. It's obviously an awkward comparison because of the schematic differences but I think on paper the Packers are more impressive. Kampman is an elite player, Barnett is better than Greenway, etc.

princefielder28 04-13-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somse (Post 1596327)
Vikings' linebackers benefit greatly from playing behind that great offensive line. Henderson and Leber are mostly just thumpers. Greenway is a rising player but he's still not as good as Urlacher or Briggs.

Packers have Barnett, Hawk, Kampman, Poppinga, and Chillar at LB. It's obviously an awkward comparison because of the schematic differences but I think on paper the Packers are more impressive. Kampman is an elite player, Barnett is better than Greenway, etc.

I have to agree with Kid_Ego. Greenway/Henderson/Leber is as solid a LB unit as there is the league and there is no way you can consider the Packers ahead of the Vikings or Bears because of the unknown with their transition to a 3-4 defense.

ffuns 04-13-2009 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 1596410)
I have to agree with Kid_Ego. Greenway/Henderson/Leber is as solid a LB unit as there is the league and there is no way you can consider the Packers ahead of the Vikings or Bears because of the unknown with their transition to a 3-4 defense.

Yup, I definitely agree that the Packers have more question marks there because of the 3-4 transition. Just from a talent perspective I have a hard time putting Henderson/Leber/Greenway over Kampman/Barnett/Hawk/Chillar/Poppinga.

Projected on the field play though, you guys have a point and the Packers should likely be 3rd there because of the uncertainty. I would edit it if I could...

Kid_Ego 04-13-2009 08:29 PM

Plus in my mind I have a hard time projecting where everyone fits in?

Kampmen an olb? something tells me thats a liability on pass defense/coverage
Hawk in side makes since
but barnett inside ? kind of small and inury concerns
poppinga is only starting because they havent found anyone to beat him out.
I am still waiting to see how it all plays out I almost think there would of been a better chance of the bears or the vikings making this move then the packers in my opinion they dont have great personell for this move yet. But Dom Capers is a geat 3-4 coach he has done more wit less so im looking forward to seeing it asll pay out

hagy34 04-13-2009 11:32 PM

EJ Henderson isn't just a thumper. He's great in the middle and has enough talent to be in the Pro Bowl this year if he's healthy. He's one of the best LB's in this entire division.

Kid_Ego 04-13-2009 11:49 PM

EJ has finally become the player Mike Tice thought hed be. The sad part is I think Tice was one of our better drafter's
Kevin WIlliams
EJ Henderson
Mewelde Moore
Nate Burleson
those were all pretty good picks

hagy34 04-13-2009 11:52 PM

They were great picks. And word is that he wanted Merriman in 2005 and not Williamson but he was over ruled. That would've been an even better pick!!!

GB12 04-13-2009 11:53 PM

It's hard to compare the Packers front 7 because it's still unkown about the switch. And then even afterwards it'll still be hard to compare because we're the only 3-4 team in the division.

Kampman being counted as a LB definitely puts the Packers over the Vikings there though.

jsa230 04-14-2009 12:38 AM

Minnys backers get soo overrated because of the ruthless d-line in minny, hawk>greenyway, barnett>henerson, kampman>>>leber

GB12 04-14-2009 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsa230 (Post 1597922)
Minnys backers get soo overrated because of the ruthless d-line in minny, hawk>greenyway, barnett>henerson, kampman>>>leber

Definitely flip Greenway and Hawk right now.

TitleTown088 04-16-2009 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB12 (Post 1597935)
Definitely flip Greenway and Hawk right now.


Sadly, yes.

BF51... Sig owned.

marshallb 04-27-2009 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB12 (Post 1597935)
Definitely flip Greenway and Hawk right now.

I'd also definitely flip Henderson and Barnett there. When Henderson was healthy, he was one of the best LBs in the league.

GB12 04-27-2009 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marshallb (Post 1634341)
I'd also definitely flip Henderson and Barnett there. When Henderson was healthy, he was one of the best LBs in the league.

The same could be said about Barnett. From 2004-2007 he was a top MLB in the NFL.

bearsfan_51 04-27-2009 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB12 (Post 1634671)
The same could be said about Barnett. From 2004-2007 he was a top MLB in the NFL.

No he wasn't. Packers fans have always drastically overrated Barnett. He's a solid starter, that's it. I'd say the same thing about Henderson as well though.

bearsfan_51 04-27-2009 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somse (Post 1595936)
2009 NFC North Positional Rankings

Offense

Overall Offense:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Chicago Bears
4. Detroit Lions

QB:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Chicago Bears
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Detroit Lions

RB:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

WR/TE:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Detroit Lions
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Chicago Bears

OL:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

Defense

Overall Defense:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

DL:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

LB:
1. Chicago Bears
2. Green Bay Packers
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Detroit Lions

DB:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Chicago Bears
4. Detroit Lions

You still think the Vikings have a better offense than the Bears after the Jay Culter trade? Get the **** out of here.

Overall Offense
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Chicago Bears
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Detroit Lions

QB
1. Chicago Bears
2. Green Bay Packers
3. Detroit Lions
4. Minnesota Vikings

RB
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

WR/TE
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Detroit Lions
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Chicago Bears

OL
1. Chicago Bears
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

Overall Defense
1. Minnesota Vikings (barely)
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

DL
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

LB
1. Chicago Bears
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

Secondary
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Chiago Bears
4. Detroit Lions

Special Teams
1. Chicago Bears
2. Detroit Lions
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Minnesota Vikings

Coaching
1. Chicago Bears
2. Detroit Lions
3. Green Bay Packers


4. Minnesota Vikings

bearsfan_51 04-27-2009 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid_Ego (Post 1596116)
and last year Briggs and urlacher got there butts handed to them.

Lance Briggs was the best 4-3 linebacker last year. Our run defense was phenomenal last year almost entirely because of Urlacher and Briggs.

thenewfeature06 04-27-2009 08:43 PM

i feel that now that harvin was drafted that minnesota can have a balanced attack now as long as sage does his job, harvin,berrian,rice,and wade are legit recievers and has their moments and loadholt can make an immidiate impact imo

bearsfan_51 04-27-2009 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenewfeature06 (Post 1634866)
i feel that now that harvin was drafted that minnesota can have a balanced attack now as long as sage does his job, harvin,berrian,rice,and wade are legit recievers and has their moments and loadholt can make an immidiate impact imo

What are the odds that actually happens?

I'm not sure Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, or Bobby Wade can be called legit either. Two of them have done nothing in the pros, the other is a midget.

bearsfan_51 04-27-2009 08:51 PM

By the way, on a totally unrelated note, I enjoyed how Percy Harvin couldn't name anyone on the Vikings other than Adrian Peterson.

"I'm looking forward to working with some great players like Adrian Peterson, the quarterback and uh...some of..uh...those players."

He also said "uh", by my count, 36 times in a 52 second clip. Great SEC education.

BeerBaron 04-28-2009 12:06 AM

You know....if WR and TE are both included in the "WR/TE" portion, I think the Bears should maybe push the Vikings, maybe get ahead of them.

BGB 04-29-2009 06:40 PM

So where do the Vikings rank when Favre joins the squad? Let the offseason circus begin again.

GB12 04-29-2009 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BGB (Post 1638212)
So where do the Vikings rank when Favre joins the squad? Let the offseason circus begin again.

As wrong as this would have sounded two years ago, if Favre was in the NFC North he'd be the third best QB.

StorminNorman 04-29-2009 09:03 PM

[Overall Offense:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Detroit Lions
4. Chicago Bears

QB:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Chicago Bears
3. Detroit Lions
4. Minnesota Vikings

RB:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Detroit Lions
4. Green Bay Packers

WR/TE:
1. Detroit Lions
2. Green Bay Packers
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Chicago Bears

OL:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions

Defense

Overall Defense:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Detroit Lions
4. Green Bay Packers

DL:
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Green Bay Packers
3. Chicago Bears
4. Detroit Lions

LB:
1. Chicago Bears
2. Detroit Lions (expecting Foote - 3rd without him)
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Minnesota Vikings

DB:
1. Green Bay Packers
2. Detroit Lions
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Chicago Bears


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