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Microphon200 03-07-2007 06:32 PM

Michael Turner
 
Do you think somebody will sign him to an offer sheet and make him their feature back?

bills_red 03-07-2007 06:35 PM

For a 1st and 3rd. No

I think it's a 1st and 3rd. Is it?

BlindSite 03-07-2007 06:36 PM

Yes, and No.

No one will give up the first day of their draft for a player they can get next year. There's a few FA backs with something left in the tank and more available by trade. If I was turner I'd be pissed right now.

bigbluedefense 03-07-2007 06:48 PM

They'll wait until after this year when he's a FA. Same thing for Schaub.

I don't know how much he'll get next year though. Next year's draft is gonna be loaded with RB talent.

eaglesalltheway 03-07-2007 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BlindSite (Post 198431)
Yes, and No.

No one will give up the first day of their draft for a player they can get next year. There's a few FA backs with something left in the tank and more available by trade. If I was turner I'd be pissed right now.

So would I. He has the potential to be a very good RB in this league. Its a shame he is stuck behind the best RB in the game right now.

defensiveback23 03-07-2007 07:01 PM

I think if a team offered a first round pick in the top 15 or so the Chargers would take it. A lot of people think the reason the Chargers tendered him a 1st and 3rd was not to scare teams away but to be able to pick the best possible trade if offered. Also, there was a rumor the Broncos would have seriously considered signing him to an offer sheet if he was tendered a 1st. We wouldn't want to have to face him twice a year.

1090, a local radio station in San Diego, reported a rumor that the Bills were very interested in Turner and might make a strong play at him if McGahee was successfully traded.

etk 03-07-2007 07:03 PM

The Chargers can settle for less than a 1st and a 3rd if they want to. They might as well get some compensation for him. If they trade him, they will need a new backup because Sproles is not good enough to be more than a 3rd stringer.

princefielder28 03-07-2007 07:08 PM

Not with the tender that was placed on him

Zim3031 03-07-2007 07:09 PM

I honestly don't understand the infatuation that so many people have with Turner. What makes him so different from Schaub? He's built his reputation on running over softened up defenses the same way that Schaub made his by passing over defenses expecting Vick.

thefalconer 03-07-2007 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zim3031 (Post 198569)
I honestly don't understand the infatuation that so many people have with Turner. What makes him so different from Schaub? He's built his reputation on running over softened up defenses the same way that Schaub made his by passing over defenses expecting Vick.

i agree but turner has made some big plays. he reminds me of lamont jordan from a couple seasons back on the jets. a good backup who is capable of making big plays.

Microphon200 03-07-2007 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zim3031 (Post 198569)
I honestly don't understand the infatuation that so many people have with Turner. What makes him so different from Schaub? He's built his reputation on running over softened up defenses the same way that Schaub made his by passing over defenses expecting Vick.

Name me someone who's currently 25 and under who's 5'10" 240lbs., and has 4.4 speed? (Besides Turner obviously.)

Zim3031 03-07-2007 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Microphon200 (Post 198650)
Name me someone who's currently 25 and under who's 5'10" 240lbs., and has 4.4 speed? (Besides Turner obviously.)

Okay.... so he has good measurables?? Isn't Brandon Jacobs supposed to have some insane measureables? And once again I can bring up Schaub, who also has great measureables. Now, comparing a runningback to a quarterback is certainly a bit of a stretch but still.

Runningbacks are a dime a dozen in the NFL, it's becoming more and more apparent. Teams are easily capable of finding good runningbacks. Please explain to me why one who has proven literally nothing in his career other than putting up good backup number behind one of the greatest runningbacks ever is worthy of such high praise. Has he ever proven to be capable of carrying any type of load? Why use such a high pick on a question mark when there are tons of proven backs out there for much much less.

Non_Sequitur 03-07-2007 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zim3031 (Post 198569)
I honestly don't understand the infatuation that so many people have with Turner. What makes him so different from Schaub? He's built his reputation on running over softened up defenses the same way that Schaub made his by passing over defenses expecting Vick.

He's a promising young back and probably the best backup RB in the NFL after Reggie Bush.


As a Jets fan, I was thinking either of our 2nd rounders would have been a good trade. I'm happier with the Thomas Jones trade since we didn't lose a pick, but Turner can start in this league.

Someone will get a good pickup next year.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH 03-07-2007 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zim3031 (Post 198767)
Okay.... so he has good measurables?? Isn't Brandon Jacobs supposed to have some insane measureables? And once again I can bring up Schaub, who also has great measureables. Now, comparing a runningback to a quarterback is certainly a bit of a stretch but still.

Runningbacks are a dime a dozen in the NFL, it's becoming more and more apparent. Teams are easily capable of finding good runningbacks. Please explain to me why one who has proven literally nothing in his career other than putting up good backup number behind one of the greatest runningbacks ever is worthy of such high praise. Has he ever proven to be capable of carrying any type of load? Why use such a high pick on a question mark when there are tons of proven backs out there for much much less.

Hey bro, Turner is proven to take it to the house. He took it 74 yards against the Colts last year in their loss to the Bolts. He has amazing speed+vision, and is very shifty. Schaub hasn't done anything to prove he is starter ready, but Turner has. Just watch his tapes, and you would know. Plus, he averages 6 ypc, even though he doesn't get many carries, he makes the most of them.

smittyjs 03-07-2007 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffSamardzijaIRISH (Post 199010)
Hey bro, Turner is proven to take it to the house. He took it 74 yards against the Colts last year in their loss to the Bolts. He has amazing speed+vision, and is very shifty. Schaub hasn't done anything to prove he is starter ready, but Turner has. Just watch his tapes, and you would know. Plus, he averages 6 ypc, even though he doesn't get many carries, he makes the most of them.

Yeah he average is 6 YPC, but he only had what 80 carries, if he would had alot more carries and LT wouldn't have worn down the other team Defense his #'s wouldn't be near as good.

etk 03-07-2007 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zim3031 (Post 198767)
Okay.... so he has good measurables?? Isn't Brandon Jacobs supposed to have some insane measureables? And once again I can bring up Schaub, who also has great measureables. Now, comparing a runningback to a quarterback is certainly a bit of a stretch but still.

Runningbacks are a dime a dozen in the NFL, it's becoming more and more apparent. Teams are easily capable of finding good runningbacks. Please explain to me why one who has proven literally nothing in his career other than putting up good backup number behind one of the greatest runningbacks ever is worthy of such high praise. Has he ever proven to be capable of carrying any type of load? Why use such a high pick on a question mark when there are tons of proven backs out there for much much less.

Have you ever seen him play? He is a very strong, durable back with excellent speed and good vision. He is a straight-ahead runner and he has been among the league leaders in YPC for a couple of years. He is a consistent every-down back that can also go the distance, like he did against the Colts. The only knock on him is his ability to be a factor in the passing game, but you can't say he is not proven. Your points are just terrible and have no affiliation to him at all.

smittyjs 03-07-2007 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by etk (Post 199080)
Have you ever seen him play? He is a very strong, durable back with excellent speed and good vision. He is a straight-ahead runner and he has been among the league leaders in YPC for a couple of years. He is a consistent every-down back that can also go the distance, like he did against the Colts. The only knock on him is his ability to be a factor in the passing game, but you can't say he is not proven. Your points are just terrible and have no affiliation to him at all.

Yeah he has lead the league the last few season in YPC(Very overrated to begin with), but he has what 20 carries his rookie year, 57 his second season and 80 last season, breaking one or two huge runs each season with not that many carries will do that. I wouldn't give up no more than a high third or low 4th round pick for him.

CC.SD 03-07-2007 09:33 PM

Turner is almost as fun to watch as Tomlinson. He had a run against the bears in the preseason this year where he bulldozed a couple people, pushed a corner out of the way with his arm, and then carried somebody on his back, all to the tune of 40+ yards, it was crazy.

I really hope no one trades for him; he's too much of a weapon, hopefully Norv Turner will use him more than as just a blow guy like Marty did. For as much as they talked about it in the media, LT and MT weren't on the field simultaneously very often.

Zim3031 03-07-2007 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etk (Post 199080)
Have you ever seen him play? He is a very strong, durable back with excellent speed and good vision. He is a straight-ahead runner and he has been among the league leaders in YPC for a couple of years. He is a consistent every-down back that can also go the distance, like he did against the Colts. The only knock on him is his ability to be a factor in the passing game, but you can't say he is not proven. Your points are just terrible and have no affiliation to him at all.

A consistent every down back? Now you're just making things up to the point that it's obvious. HE HAS NEVER PROVEN TO CARRY THE LOAD, under what circumstances do you believe that he is an every down back? Because he gets a good ypc running on defenses softened up by one of the greatest runningbacks to play the game.

YPC can be a terribly overrated stat if not looked at correctly. He got very few carries and the ones he did get were on softened up defenses. He's proven he is an excellent change of pace back, nothing more. Saying he is a "consistent every down back" is blantantly false and unproven, and I'm sure that you realize this.

myinnerself 03-07-2007 10:23 PM

Honestly, anyone who sees this kid play often knows he is ready to start in the NFL. No one in the league runs harder than him and he just never stops moving his feet, is faster than anyone thinks, and is shifty. The kid is a great back and a real good character guy. Someone will love having him next year, and although you may feel bad for him he is getting over 2 million next year as a RFA, which is the most you can without signing an extension. And in college he proved he can carry the load, just take a peek at his numbers, he was ridiculous. Oh yeah, and he was an amazing kick returner for us last year and I don't know if I ever remember him fumbling in his pro career.

iowatreat54 03-07-2007 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Zim3031 (Post 198569)
I honestly don't understand the infatuation that so many people have with Turner. What makes him so different from Schaub? He's built his reputation on running over softened up defenses the same way that Schaub made his by passing over defenses expecting Vick.

ok this is the same thing that happened with LJ when holmes was starting
(NOTE: i am not comparing LJ to Turner in anyway, just the situation...because I know someone will come on here and say Turner can't even compare to LJ)

Holmes was dominating the league(tomlinson) but in a couple seasons when holmes missed a game or 2 or 3, LJ had huge games running for 100+ and/or 2+ tds, but there was speculation he couldn't really handle a starting job...

I don't think turner is LJ, but its the same kinda situation...I think turner could be a back that gets 1200 and 8 easily starting on a decent team...he's shown flashes of what he can do(same with Schaub) which is why teams who don't have a good RB want to take a chance on him...

in other related news, Michael "Burner" is on my fantasy drafted team in Madden and just ran for 205 and 3 in his first start of the season :D

LonghornsLegend 03-10-2007 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by etk (Post 199080)
He is a straight-ahead runner and he has been among the league leaders in YPC for a couple of years. He is a consistent every-down back.


first off you cant accurately judge his ypc, seeing as how he comes in behind LT on a wore down defense after LT bruised them up...


and how would u know he is a consistent every down back? when has he proved that

edge_V 03-10-2007 12:33 PM

One name....Lamont Jordan.

JoeMontainya 03-10-2007 12:35 PM

"No one in the league runs harder than him "

That sounds like one of those Madden quotes.....

WK10 = MADDEN - "noone runs hard than Tiki Barber, hes just a great talent"
WK12 = MADDEN - "noone runs harder than Tomlinson, I mean hes just that good"

WK13 = MADDEN - "Wow, Turner just impresses me alot, noone runs harder than him........well HOW ABOUT THE GUY THAT STARTS IN FRONT OF HIM???"

bearsfan_51 03-10-2007 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by defensiveback23 (Post 198531)
I think if a team offered a first round pick in the top 15 or so the Chargers would take it.

No team is stupid enough to do that. His value right now is, at the very best, a late 1st/early 2nd.


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