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Bosanac01 04-28-2009 02:26 PM

2010 Falcons Draft Discussion
 
There is a whole year left until this draft, but like we all know it's never too early to discuss this stuff. The 2010 draft will be 10x better than this one IMO.

Let take a look at some potential needs:

C
TE
OLB

I might be missing some but as of right now that's all I got. Center ro replace McClure, TE to replace/backup Tony Gonzalez. OLB to replace Peterson.

kiranadwaney 04-28-2009 03:20 PM

how about adding a right tackle so we can move clabo to right guard, a three down defensive end, a nose tackle and a starting cornerback.

d34ng3l021 04-28-2009 03:31 PM

I think by the seasons end, DE might be a huge need. I am not doubting Sidbury, but Abraham is getting old as well.

As the season goes on, we could be looking at S during the draft to replace Coleman.

SimonRath 04-28-2009 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 1636250)
I think by the seasons end, DE might be a huge need. I am not doubting Sidbury, but Abraham is getting old as well.

As the season goes on, we could be looking at S during the draft to replace Coleman.

i love coleman, i expect him to have a big year

Bosanac01 04-28-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kiranadwaney (Post 1636233)
how about adding a right tackle so we can move clabo to right guard, a three down defensive end, a nose tackle and a starting cornerback.

I like o-line now as it is. I doubt the front office will change anything there, they love dahl at RG and clabo at RT just because they are two guys with a mean streak that just play like animals out there. You ask for a 3 down defensive end but right now we have kroy biermann and lawrence sidbury at those two spots. I didn't put nose tackle and CB on there because we drafted two of each this year. They might not fit as well but we spent high picks on them (jerry and owens). We already have a lot of d-linemen batting for a spot right now. As of CB, there are at least 7 guys who are battling for a spot and only chris houston is secured. Im pretty sure we can find a nice #2 corner and a great nickle/dime. Von Hutchins, Chevis Jackson, Chris Owens are all good possibilities for these spots. We also have David Irons, Brent Grimes, and William Middleton.

Bosanac01 04-28-2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 1636250)
I think by the seasons end, DE might be a huge need. I am not doubting Sidbury, but Abraham is getting old as well.

As the season goes on, we could be looking at S during the draft to replace Coleman.

You never know about DE, there are 4 decent DE's that we are undecided about right now. Jamaal Anderson, Sidbury, Davis, Biermann. They can all give you something, whether it's run stopping or pass rushing. They are pretty young and in the mist of all the competition someone will have to jump out. As of right now Im praying Jamaal improves a little more drastically then he did from his 1st to 2nd year.
Im not too worried about John Abraham's age right now. He's 30 years old but he's producing better than ever and you can say there's about 4 maybe 5 more years left in him. If he starts slacking at any point of time, i expect one of the young DE's that is looking the best to take his spot.

BamaFalcon59 04-28-2009 04:11 PM

Defensive end is still a huge need. Jamaal Anderson is horrible, and Biermann and Sidbury are just pass rushers at this point. If we are lucky one will be good enough to replace Abraham when he gos down hill. That means there is still a huge hole at left defensive end.

Bosanac01 04-28-2009 04:18 PM

As of right now we defenetly know we need C, OLB, TE to replace the older starters at those positions. DE is not one of those positions that we know for sure, Jamaal Anderson has another shot to prove himself worthy of starting, and biermann/sidbury have something to compete for. They are young players. If JA98 actually starts to have a productive year, we might as well just skip DE and assume Sidbury or Biermann will be the situational guys and ultimatly replacement for ABE.
If McClure, Tony G, or Peterson have productive years next year, we know we still will need C, TE, and OLB, because of their age. As of right now you can't tell me we'll go DE in the first round for sure. But for the other 3 positions you can say.

Draft King 04-28-2009 04:27 PM

Maybe we take one of the 3 big safeties coming out next year? Mays, Wright, or Berry?? If not I'd like to see us either address our LB woes or possibly the O-Line. (I just have a feeling the O-Line can't repeat our '08 regular season success)

BamaFalcon59 04-28-2009 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosanac01 (Post 1636358)
As of right now we defenetly know we need C, OLB, TE to replace the older starters at those positions. DE is not one of those positions that we know for sure, Jamaal Anderson has another shot to prove himself worthy of starting, and biermann/sidbury have something to compete for. They are young players. If JA98 actually starts to have a productive year, we might as well just skip DE and assume Sidbury or Biermann will be the situational guys and ultimatly replacement for ABE.
If McClure, Tony G, or Peterson have productive years next year, we know we still will need C, TE, and OLB, because of their age. As of right now you can't tell me we'll go DE in the first round for sure. But for the other 3 positions you can say.

No.

The three positions you named are all extremely easy positions to find players at. I could see outside linebacker, we value the position. Tight end won't be our top pick next year, that would be an idiotic move, and center is always unlikely.

You are delusional if you think Anderson is going to all of the sudden become a player. He hasn't even shown flashes.

Biermann was manhandled in the run game last season, Sidbury right now is a pure pass rusher. Of the two only Sidbury has starting potential, Biermann is too small. And banking on a fourth round pick starting is not a smart thing to do.

Chauncey is a good rotational defensive end, not a starter.

If Abraham gos down the defense is still in a world of trouble.

Defensive end is still a huge need.

Also, I wouldn't doubt cornerback if the proper value is available. Owens and Jackson are good, but considering that the ATL was looking at Darius Butler they still may be in the market for a top corner.

And that last sentence made zero sense.

Bosanac01 04-28-2009 04:44 PM

The point I made was basically you must fill some positions in the near future, but for others you have young players in place that can prove themselves worthy of a starting spot for a long time.

BamaFalcon59 04-28-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosanac01 (Post 1636414)
The point I made was basically you must fill some positions in the near future, but for others you have young players in place that can prove themselves worthy of a starting spot for a long time.

And neither TE nor C will need players to step in immediately. Center maybe, but that's generally not a round one pick unless the top one is available. Tight end isn't a round one pick with Tony Gonzalez just being traded for.

Left end has no servicable starter. Anderson is a bust. Davis is a good rotational player. Sidbury and Biermann are not fit for the position, and even if we like an undersized line (and if one of them is good enough), Abraham will need a successor in time as well.

Left end has no true starter and no young players who can prove themselves worthy of starting there.

pr0d1gy 04-29-2009 12:14 AM

The one thing you all need to grasp is that you cannot look at the line by individual positions, be it O or D. Both lines are a cohesive unit and each player along that line must execute in order for the other guys to make plays. Moving pieces around and bringing in new ones, after the pieces we have got us to the playoffs, is entirely self defeating.

Now I am bad with names but that guy we brought in to play RG last year for the injured Forney quickly became the strong arm of that O line. He did very well against all but the VERY BEST and most talented DT's in both the run and pass game. Removing that guy for someone "more talented" would be akin to shooting yourself in the foot, which is what most teams do. Consistency on your offensive line is key to retaining your offensive potency. In the last few years several teams have lost key O linemen to FA only to watch their O go into the tank for at least a year or two, comparitively speaking of course.

Case in point, the Seattle Seahawks after losing Hutchinson basically have gone to complete crap. Alexander never broke a thousand yards again. The Steelers win the Super Bowl, let Faneca go, and have a tough year before working their way back up. I know this is a bit long winded but the one thing you always want is consistency on your O line and effort from your D line.

BamaFalcon59 04-29-2009 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0d1gy (Post 1637249)
The one thing you all need to grasp is that you cannot look at the line by individual positions, be it O or D. Both lines are a cohesive unit and each player along that line must execute in order for the other guys to make plays. Moving pieces around and bringing in new ones, after the pieces we have got us to the playoffs, is entirely self defeating.

Now I am bad with names but that guy we brought in to play RG last year for the injured Forney quickly became the strong arm of that O line. He did very well against all but the VERY BEST and most talented DT's in both the run and pass game. Removing that guy for someone "more talented" would be akin to shooting yourself in the foot, which is what most teams do. Consistency on your offensive line is key to retaining your offensive potency. In the last few years several teams have lost key O linemen to FA only to watch their O go into the tank for at least a year or two, comparitively speaking of course.

Case in point, the Seattle Seahawks after losing Hutchinson basically have gone to complete crap. Alexander never broke a thousand yards again. The Steelers win the Super Bowl, let Faneca go, and have a tough year before working their way back up. I know this is a bit long winded but the one thing you always want is consistency on your O line and effort from your D line.

Harvey Dahl, the right guard you spoke of, was not the strong arm of the offensive line last season. His pass protection wasn't great and he fouled too often.

Bosanac01 04-29-2009 09:56 AM

Harvey Dahl played very good for us last year. The key to a good o-line is chemistry and you get that by keeping the same unit out there, they did very well in their first year together.

kiranadwaney 04-29-2009 12:11 PM

Dahl did do a good job for us last season, considering I was expecting nothing from him at all, but I feel if we drafted a right takle and then moved clabo inside our offensive line would be sick. then just bring in a centre to groom behind mcclure.

i know we have kroy and just drafted sidbury as a 3rd down defensive end, but what i ment was we need a defensive end who can play against the run and pass, i.e an eveydown defensive end.

i am worried about how our defense will hold up against the run, a big run stuffing nose tackle is something we dont have. for the jags coach smith played with two tackles over 310lbs we dont have any unless trey lewis can stay health and contribute.

Halsey 04-29-2009 12:17 PM

It seems like the Falcons always have a major need at CB, so why should nect year be different. CB is not an easy position to be 'set' at, but it sure would be nice if the Falcons could go through a couple of seasons with little depth chart change at the position.

d34ng3l021 04-29-2009 06:06 PM

I want to keep our OL as is. They do have great chemistry together and I think Dahl will continue to improve and won't make as many bonehead plays/penalties as he did last year. Clabo, Blalock, and Baker are all very good.

But asking a team not to replace someone because of the good chemistry they have with their unit is stupid. Yes, the Seahawks running game suffered when Hutchinson left, but it wasn't cause of the chemistry disrupted because of it; it was because Hutchinson is an All-Pro guard who is one of the best run blockers in the NFL...

d34ng3l021 05-03-2009 03:07 PM

Wow. I want Taylor Mays on the Falcons so much.

pr0d1gy 05-03-2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 (Post 1638149)
I want to keep our OL as is. They do have great chemistry together and I think Dahl will continue to improve and won't make as many bonehead plays/penalties as he did last year. Clabo, Blalock, and Baker are all very good.

But asking a team not to replace someone because of the good chemistry they have with their unit is stupid. Yes, the Seahawks running game suffered when Hutchinson left, but it wasn't cause of the chemistry disrupted because of it; it was because Hutchinson is an All-Pro guard who is one of the best run blockers in the NFL...

It is less about chemistry as continuity. If you watch a lot, or played a lot, of football you will notice the teams who are good year after year have almost no change in their line during those streaks. None of our guys should lose their jobs unless they get injured.

SimonRath 09-16-2009 10:27 AM

Taylor Mays <3
or Eric Berry <3

Bosanac01 09-16-2009 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonRath (Post 1797739)
Taylor Mays <3
or Eric Berry <3

I'll rather go with Eric Berry, he's better and a hometown kid. Too bad both will be top 10.

I'm looking at CB with the first pick for sure. Not the strongest position however.

Olympia Martin 09-24-2009 04:55 PM

Our first round need after week 2 of the regular season is clearly cornerback. We have to stop diving into the trade pot at the last minute and picking up scraps from other teams to solve our corner issue. Someone like Patrick Robinson or maybe Joe Haden from Florida would be solid in round 1. We need a CB that can cover a tall wideout one on one.

Falcon<3 09-29-2009 09:28 AM

I would really like to see us get another DT. This draft is just so loaded with great ones, I really think we need 1 more DT anyway. Babs is good, Jerry is very injury prone and we knew that when we drafted him, he's also 25, and now will be 26 when he comes back. Not that he's too old to help us, cause I think he will be very good, but getting McCoy would be sweet, or Austin, either one can be big timers for us.

Clearly CB is a big need for us, but w/o pass rush we could have Aso out there and it really wouldn't matter.

OLB looks good for another year, unless someone falls in our laps.

Safety, we don't have a playmaker back there unless Decoud Steps up, but yeah, Eric Berry or Taylor Mays would be awesome to see back there, but I don't see us going that route, we're still banking on Moore to be a playmaker.

DE, I don't want to call this a need, but it clearly is, but who would we displace? Jamaal? He's got so much potential and he's so young, I don't see how we can let him go, but at the same time, his production has to increase. Chauncey could go, he's been the invisible man so far. Biermann and Sid are looking like promising rush ends, but why isn't Sid getting more snaps? I dunno, I want to call it a need, but I can't...yet.

C is for sure a need, McClure is showing his age, big time.

TE, I don't want another one, I honestly think if we keep winning TG can play 4 more years, he's so rejuvenated.

WR, I just want HD back =(

OL, looks good, but a stellar RT/RG wouldn't hurt my feelings.

RB, depends on what goes on with Jerious, I really think this is a big need. Turner isn't the problem this year, the OL run blocking is, but we also need a 2nd back who can stay healthy...I like Snelling, but I don't want Thunder and Thunder, I want a Felix Jones type cat.

d34ng3l021 09-29-2009 01:27 PM

If it was up to me, people would have a hard time convincing me not to take a DE and DT within the first 3 rounds. In my opinion, defensive line depth is the most important aspect of a team, behind the QB. We saw glimpses of what happens when our front 4 is consistently fresh and can get push against the OL in the Miami game where we sacked Pennington 4 times and 'limited' the RBs to 4.3 yards a carry. We also saw what happens when you have a deep DL when you see the Giants defensive success is built off of that. Getting a better pass rush and holding up at the point of attack from a strong defensive line is going to help our pass and run defense.


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