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Sniper 05-27-2009 06:39 PM

SWDC Biggest Homer Vote- Semi-Finals
 
Vote for who you feel is the biggest homer for the respective team listed! Please vote for the truest homer (the one who truly believes his team is the greatest at everything, not the one who jokingly thinks so.)

ToldLikeItIs (Iowa Hawkeyes) vs. TacticaLion (Detroit Lions)

Gay Ork Wang 05-27-2009 06:40 PM

Tactica Lion for the win or the lose?

TimD 05-27-2009 06:42 PM

i remember the iowa fan was just pure crazy. ive never seen a homer that big

Addict 05-27-2009 06:59 PM

tactica. Every year is a 10-6 year.

Sniper 05-27-2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Addict (Post 1677918)
tactica. Every year is a 10-6 year.

Told. Every recruit Iowa gets is a "diamond in the rough", "underrated", and better than any other player. Every year is 10-2, 11-1, 12-0.

CC.SD 05-27-2009 07:08 PM

I demand a funny thread title!!!

I had to go with Tactica. Honestly this poll is just a preference call: Told might be completely delusional, but Tactica gets my respect for just ramming his head against a wall over and over. Plus I'm pretty sure the Hawkeyes could take the Lions.

Addict 05-27-2009 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC.SD (Post 1677938)
I demand a funny thread title!!!

I had to go with Tactica. Honestly this poll is just a preference call: Told might be completely delusional, but Tactica gets my respect for just ramming his head against a wall over and over. Plus I'm pretty sure the Hawkeyes could take the Lions.

you're pretty sure? How can you not be certain. The only thing they need worry about is our monster WR. Everything else is easy.

CC.SD 05-27-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Addict (Post 1677948)
you're pretty sure? How can you not be certain. The only thing they need worry about is our monster WR. Everything else is easy.

You're 100% on the mark, I don't feel comfortable betting against Calvin, it's throwing off my certainty.

the decider13 05-27-2009 07:31 PM

I've only made a few trips to the recruiting thread, but toldlikeitis is freakin crazy. A walk on player is a great addition, a two star is an all american. It's too much.

Addict 05-27-2009 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the decider13 (Post 1677982)
I've only made a few trips to the recruiting thread, but toldlikeitis is freakin crazy. A walk on player is a great addition, a two star is an all american. It's too much.

IIRC Tactica at some point neg repped a bunch of guys for thinking the Lions wouldn't have a winning season.

Could have been some other no-name Lions homer... they come and go.

the decider13 05-27-2009 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Addict (Post 1677985)
IIRC Tactica at some point neg repped a bunch of guys for thinking the Lions wouldn't have a winning season.

Could have been some other no-name Lions homer... they come and go.

This could be as epic as cake vs pie

Gay Ork Wang 05-27-2009 08:44 PM

Takeaways = Top10 Defense

Sniper 05-27-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang (Post 1678072)
Takeaways = Top10 Defense

Sorry, man. Nothing beats "John Clay to Iowa." Absolutely nothing.

Gay Ork Wang 05-27-2009 08:51 PM

Lions defense was awesome if you take out the games the defense gave up 30+ points. that was his argument.

Sniper 05-27-2009 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang (Post 1678083)
Lions defense was awesome if you take out the games the defense gave up 30+ points. that was his argument.

Still doesn't beat "John Clay to Iowa".

iowatreat54 05-27-2009 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 1678089)
Still doesn't beat "John Clay to Iowa".

Or ever since: "John Clay is a terrible player. There's no way he should be playing RB, he should be a DB."

Or some **** like that.

Also, we have never had anything bad happen to us. If a player gets in trouble, it has zero reflection on the team/university.

Oh, and 9-4 Iowa > about 110 D1 teams.

And there's much, much more.

Sniper 05-27-2009 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iowatreat54 (Post 1678100)
Or ever since: "John Clay is a terrible player. There's no way he should be playing RB, he should be a DB."

Or some **** like that.

Also, we have never had anything bad happen to us. If a player gets in trouble, it has zero reflection on the team/university.

Oh, and 9-4 Iowa > about 110 D1 teams.

And there's much, much more.

You could literally field an entire team (and a decent one, at that) of players that Told predicted would be Hawkeyes and went elsewhere.

Brothgar 05-27-2009 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TacticaLion (Post 1151444)
Intro

It's easy to hate the Lions. They didn't make a huge splash in the offseason, targeted need (and not BPA) during the draft and finished the 2007 season losing 7 of their last 8 games. Most preseason predictions have the Lions finishing with a losing record and last in the NFC North, but there's another side to the coin. Could the Lions finish the 2008 season with a winning record? It's possible. Here are 4 reasons why:

4 Reasons For Success

1. The Losing Streak

Yes, the Lions lost 7 of their last 8 games, but they played one of, if not the hardest, schedule during the second half of the 2007 season: the Packers (twice), the Chargers, the Giants, the Cowboys, the Vikings, the Cardinals and the Chiefs. They beat the Chiefs (barely), lost to the Cowboys by 1 point (missed field goal and muffed fumble recovery led to the loss) and lost on the final drive to the Giants, a game the Champs won by 6 points. Looking a bit closer, those 7 losses are a bit deceiving.

2. "Marinelli's Team"

For the first time in his 3 year coaching career, Rod Marinelli finally has "his" team. The players have bought into the "Marinelli way", and it shows... from the effort on the field to the chemistry in the locker room. Every Detroit Lion is signed and participating in training camp (no hold outs or lingering contract situations) and Rod has players that fit the offensive and defensive schemes fighting for starting roles. The team is focused, determined and working harder than ever, and that mindset shouldn't be overlooked. It seems that the Detroit Lions are finally a team... made in Rod's image.

3. Offseason Changes

The 7-9 Detroit Lions of 2007 have lost little, but gained much, throughout the offseason. Yes, Shaun Rogers is a Cleveland Brown, Kevin Jones is a Chicago Bear and Damien Woody is a New York Jet, but each of those players had serious concerns and each hole was, for the most part, filled adequately. Chuck Darby, a hard-working veteran, will take over for Rogers at the NT position. Darby may not be the dominant force that Rogers was, but he's a harder worker who understands his responsibilities and wont wear down nearly as quickly as Rogers did. The oft-injured Kevin Jones was cut and replaced by Kevin Smith, an extremely talented back with great vision and a desire to succeed. Damien Woody, an OG/C with weight control issues, was replaced at RT by Gosder Cherilus, who should give the running game a punch and be a staple on the OLine for many years to come. The secondary was given a complete overhaul and should now be a strength, not a weakness, of the Detroit Lions' defense.

4. The Schedule

Detroit's 2008 schedule actually plays to their strengths. Throughout the 2007 season, Detroit played very well at home, outscoring their opponents 212-168, but seemed to lose their focus on the road, being outscored 276-134. Their hardest opponents (Washington, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Tennessee and New Orleans) come at home, while their "easier" games (Atlanta, San Francisco, Houston, Carolina) are played away. If Detroit can continue their 2007 trend and play well in Michigan, they might be able to steal a few on the road and end the season with a reasonable record.

The Offense

Instead of playing to the strengths of the roster, Mike Martz decided to leave average OLinemen in constant pass-protection and focused more on the slot receivers than on the "dynamic duo" of Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson (140 receptions by Furrey/McDonald and only 112 receptions by Roy/CJ). The running game was abandoned early and often, and the team struggled as a result.

New Offensive Coordinator Jim Colletto is keeping the same basic offense, but vows to run the ball on a regular basis in 2008. He changed the blocking scheme to a zone blocking scheme, the same scheme that led to Tatum Bell's success in Denver. Jon Kitna also now has the opportunity to change the play at the line, something not allowed in a Mike Martz offense. Drafting Gosder Cherilus (Rd 1) and Kevin Smith (Rd 3) shows a commitment to the changes, as each is a great fit for the direction of the offense.

The Problem: the running game. Tatum Bell is an average back, and understands the ZBS, but can't be relied on to carry the team throughout the season. Kevin Jones was cut, leaving room for rookie Kevin Smith to have a OROY-type impact. If he can't, the running game will struggle. If it does, expect Kitna to spend quite a bit of time on the ground and the offense to stall, drive after drive, like it did in 2007.

The Solution: the twin towers. There will be more emphasis on getting the ball (quickly) to Roy and CJ, which, if successful, will open up the running game and spread opposing defenses. If the changes to the offense can help the passing game click, expect the Lions to have surprising success on the ground, and, in turn, through the air, in 2008.

The Defense

The Detroit Lions' had the worst secondary in the NFL in 2007... and, as some of that was injuries, most of it was simply a lack of talent. That changed during the offseason. Leigh Bodden was acquired from Cleveland, Brian Kelly was signed, Dwight Smith was added and Daniel Bullocks should be healthy for the start of the 2008 season. That's potentially 4 new starters, each an upgrade over the player who held the position before him. It's easy to say that their largest defensive weakness was improved greatly.

Detroit's "biggest" loss, Shaun Rogers, wont have as much of an impact as many believe. When fit and motivated, Shaun Rogers is one of the best DTs in the NFL... but those situations were few and far between in Detroit. After a great start in 2007, Shaun disappeared down the stretch and the team struggled as a result. His replacement, Chuck Darby, is a high energy, experienced Cover 2 NT with a great motor. The position loses some of the "flash" with the departure of Rogers, but becomes more consistent overall with the addition of Darby.

The Problem: the pass-rush. Jared DeVries? Corey Smith? IAF? Cliff Avril? Someone has to step-up at LDE, and in a big way, for the Lions' defense to be a force in 2008. DeVries is opportunistic and a hard worker, but isn't flashy or explosive. Corey Smith has great speed off the edge, but lacks moves and gets pushed out of the play easily. IAF has a ton of potential, but is a work in progress and most likely wont be ready to break out in 2008. Cliff Avril, a 3rd round pick, might just be the answer. He combines a variety of moves with his incredible explosiveness and underestimated strength off the edge. If he can thrive as a situation pass-rusher, the unit might surprise in '08.

The Solution: role players. If the role players on Detroit's defense can have a big year, the defense could break out. Redding has to be a force, Darby has to be "good enough", the safety across from Dwight Smith has to step up, Dizon needs to emerge and have a solid rookie year and Dewayne White needs to show he's a solid RDE. It may sound like a lot, but Marinelli's pieces on defense are finally on the roster. If they can step up, so will the Lions.

Conclusion

All things considered, I think the Lions will finish the 2008 season with a 8-8 record. They've improved their defense, have play makers on offense and a schedule that plays to their strengths/weaknesses. If the Bears continue to fall and the Packers struggle to click without Favre, the Lions could find themselves sitting 2nd in the NFC North and fighting for a playoff berth through week 17.

Yeah Tactica /thread

Gay Ork Wang 05-27-2009 09:15 PM

Quote:

the Lions could find themselves sitting 2nd in the NFC North and fighting for a playoff berth through week 17.
well almost!

WMD 05-27-2009 09:22 PM

Are we being homers to our own homers?

Sniper 05-28-2009 04:48 PM

Bump to the top.

CC.SD 05-28-2009 06:59 PM

Wow I just love Tactica, I really think he represents the popular notion in the NFL that any team can win it all before the season starts. You just need the right motivation and a few cards to fall into place.

TitleTown088 05-28-2009 07:07 PM

Who the heck is Told like it is and how is he beating Tatica?

Sniper 05-28-2009 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitleTown088 (Post 1679220)
Who the heck is Told like it is and how is he beating Tatica?

Swing by the Recruiting Thread (any of the past three) sometime. It's Told gold.

Dam8610 05-29-2009 03:03 AM

This semifinal should be renamed the fail semifinal. Stiller got robbed! I vote TL for the infamous 8-8 thread.


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