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Mr. Goosemahn 10-09-2009 02:30 AM

Prospect Comparison Thread
 
Don't know if something like this has already been posted, but here it goes. It's high ranking prospects, or the guys that rank at the top of their respective positions.

QB
Sam Bradford - QB Tom Brady, New England Patriots
Jake Locker - QB Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers
Jevan Snead - QB Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys
Colt McCoy - QB Alex Smith, San Francisco 49ers
Tony Pike - QB Kerry Collins, Tennessee Titans
Tim Tebow - Combination: QB Byron Leftwich, Tampa Bay, QB Vince Young, Tennessee

RB
Jonathan Dwyer - RB Michael Turner, Atlanta Falcons
C.J. Spiller - RB Chris Johnson, Dallas Cowboys
Jahvid Best - RB Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints
Charles Scott - RB LaMont Jordan, Denver Broncos

TE
Jermaine Gresham - TE Tony Gonzalez, Atlanta Falcons

WR
Dez Bryant - WR Chad Ochocinco, Cincinnati Bengals
Arrelious Benn - WR Anquan Boldin, Arizona Cardinals
Brandon LaFell - WR Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City Chiefs
Damian Williams - WR Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis Colts
Erick Decker - WR Kevin Walter, Houston Texans

OT
Russell Okung - LT Jordan Gross, Carolina Panthers
Bryan Bulaga - LT Jake Long, Miami Dolphins
Trent Williams - LT Jamal Brown (I think Williams winds up a RT in NFL)
Selvish Capers - LT Duane Brown, Houston Texans
Anthony Davis - LT Ryan Clady, Denver Broncos
Jason Fox - LT Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers
Ciron Black - RT Vernon Carey, Miami Dolphins

OG
Any true great guard? Maybe Render?

C
Any true great center? Maybe O'Dowd?

DE
Carlos Dunlap - DE Mario Williams, Houston Texans
Greg Hardy - DE Adewale Ogunyele, Chicago Bears
Corey Wootton - DE Miathias Kiwanuka, New York Giants
Ricky Sapp - OLB DeMarcus Ware, Dallas Cowboys
Brandon Graham - OLB LaMarr Woodley, Pittsburgh Steelers

DT
Gerald McCoy - DT Kevin Williams, Minnesota Vikings
Ndamukong Suh - DT Richard Seymour, Oakland Raiders
Terrence Cody - NT Shaun Rogers, Cleveland Browns
Arthur Jones - DE Ty Warren, New England Patriots

LB
Sean Weatherspoon - LB Derrick Brooks, Free Agent
Sergio Kindle - OLB Shaun Phillips, San Diego Chargers
Eric Norwood - Former LB Teddy Bruschi, New England Patriots
Rolando McClain - MLB DeMeco Ryans, Houston Texans
Brandon Spikes - MLB E.J. Henderson, Minnesota Vikings
Sean Lee - LB Dan Connor, Carolina Panthers

CB
Joe Haden - CB Darrelle Revis, New York Jets
Patrick Robinson - CB Eric Wright, Cleveland Browns
Perrish Cox - CB Antoine Cason, San Diego Chargers
Brandon Ghee - CB Vontae Davis, Miami Dolphins

S
Eric Berry - FS Ed Reed, Baltimore Ravens
Taylor Mays - Former FS Sean Taylor, Washington Redskins (minus ball-skills)
Nate Allen - FS Brodney Pool, Cleveland Browns
Kam Chancellor - SS Roy Williams, Cincinnati Bengals

OneToughGame 10-09-2009 02:46 AM

I really don't like any of your comparisons on QB's. How does Bradford compare to Brady? How in any way is Locker like Roethlisberger?

MetSox17 10-09-2009 03:42 AM

A lot of these are pretty terrible. The worst one is the Tim Tebow - Byron Leftwich one. Really? Byron Leftwich? Their arms are nothing alike cause Leftwich has an asbolute cannon and is pretty accurate, and on top of that, he's a statue. Tim Tebow is one of the most mobile QBs in the country, and he has a noodle arm. WTH?

Saints-Tigers 10-09-2009 03:57 AM

The only parallel is the slow release.

I don't think Tebow has a noodle though, he's adequate at least.

But yea, those comparisons make this the the greatest draft ever.

Mr. Goosemahn 10-09-2009 08:07 AM

I didn't come up with these guys, I just googled them and got this from other websites and used the general consensus for each player.

Just wanted to fuel some discussion, and I don't really know much about some guys.

But if I remember correctly, Bradford was compared to Brady because both play in similar styled offenses, can make all throws, and had similar throwing technique.

For Locker it was because he buys time with his feet, but doesn't necessarily run. He simply let's the play develop, and it said that the only other qb for which this was comparable was Roethlisberger.

For Tebow, yeah it was the release, as well as spotty accuracy and innate tendencies to run.

I know not all of the comparisons fit, but I still wanted to hear what you guys had to say.

Another popular pick for Bradford was Eli Manning. Are those two guys more alike than Bradford and Brady?

TACKLE 10-09-2009 11:47 AM

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27643

nepg 10-09-2009 12:40 PM

I'll just do the QB, RB, & TE for now...

QB
Sam Bradford - Kyle Orton
Jake Locker - Donovan McNabb/Matt Schaub
Jevan Snead - Rex Grossman
Colt McCoy - Alex Smith
Tony Pike - Matt Cassel
Tim Tebow - I don't want to insult any current NFL players.

RB
Jonathan Dwyer - Cedric Benson
C.J. Spiller - Chris Johnson
Jahvid Best - Brian Westbrook
Charles Scott - Lendale White

TE
Jermaine Gresham - Kellen Winslow

roscoesdad27 10-09-2009 01:04 PM

s. bradford = p. rivers
j. locker = bigger, stronger, faster steve young
t. tebow = t. tebow...he's the first and will greatly bebefit with the emergence of the wildcat.
j. snead = r. grossman
c. mccoy = j. plummer

c.j. spiller = r. bush
j. best = warick dunn
n. devine = c. johnson

d. bryant = l. fitzgerald
a. benn = t.o.
d. williams = r. wayne
d. thomas = m. colston...but a much better blocker

b. buluga = j. long
c. dunlap = super mario
g. mccoy = t. harris
n. suh = k. williams
t. cody = j. williams
b. robinson = j. ratliff

s. kindle = d. ware
e. norwood = w. mcginest
s. weatherspoon = l. briggs
r. mcclain = r. lewis

e. berry as a corner = m. blount/r. woodson hybrid
p. cox = scrabble

e. berry as a safety = ed reed/ troy polumulu hybrid
t. mays = s. atwater

nepg 10-09-2009 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roscoesdad27 (Post 1828535)
j. locker = bigger, stronger, faster steve young

That's Elway. I have cautiously compared Locker to Elway pending another season of improvement before. Cautiously. He's either Boller, McNabb, or Elway from what I've seen thus far.

roscoesdad27 10-09-2009 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nepg (Post 1828539)
That's Elway. I have cautiously compared Locker to Elway pending another season of improvement before. Cautiously. He's either Boller, McNabb, or Elway from what I've seen thus far.

he doesnt have elways arm strength...thats why i say young.

OneToughGame 10-09-2009 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roscoesdad27 (Post 1828570)
he doesnt have elways arm strength...thats why i say young.

Honestly, I don't agree with your opinions often but I like the Steve Young comparison a lot.

Thumper 10-09-2009 06:54 PM

Jevan Snead = Jay Cutler
Jimmy Clausen = Tom Brady
Sam Bradford = Phillip Rivers

CJ Spiller = Leon Washington
Jonathan Dwyer = Duece Staley

Damian Williams = Jerricho Cotchery

Bryan Bulaga = Robert Gallery
Russell Okung = William Thomas
Ciron Black = OG Carl Nicks

Carlos Dunlap = Less effective Jamaal Anderson
Corey Wootton = Calias Campell
Ricky Sapp = Chris Clemons
Brandon Graham = Trent Cole
Derrick Morgan = Justin Tuck

Gerald McCoy = Tommie Harris
Terrence Cody = Kris Jenkins
Arthur Jones = Cedric Griffin
Brian Price = Mike Patterson
Jared Odrick = Tony Brown
Jeff Owens = Brodrick Bunkley

Eric Norwood = James Harrison
Sean Weatherspoon = Jon Beason
Brandon Spikes = Channing Crowder
Rolando McClain = Karlos Dansby
Joe Pawelek = Lofa Tatupu
Micah Johnson = David Harris

Brandon Ghee = Corey Webster
Perrish Cox = Sheldon Brown

Taylor Mays = Laron Landry
Reshad Jones = Gibril Wilson
Major Wright = Reggie Nelson
Kam Chancellor = Roy Williams

Falcon<3 10-09-2009 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 1828895)
Carlos Dunlap = Less effective Jamaal Anderson

YEEEEEOOOWCH! That's brutal right there. Less effective, you are talking about the Falcons DE who just seems to have all the potential but no production right?

P-L 10-09-2009 07:01 PM

I like the Eric Berry to Ed Reed and Ndamkong Suh to Richard Seymour comparisons. I also think Russell Okung is comparable to D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Eric Decker to T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and Greg Hardy to DeMarcus Ware. A lot of people think Jahvid Best compares to Chris Johnson, but I think C.J. Spiller is more comparable.

Thumper 10-09-2009 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon<3 (Post 1828901)
YEEEEEOOOWCH! That's brutal right there. Less effective, you are talking about the Falcons DE who just seems to have all the potential but no production right?

Yes. Look back, I was dead on on this guy. He is the most overrated prospect in the draft and I called it months ago, I said he was overrated and thus far he is proving me right with 2 sacks on the year, little pressure and he got his sacks against Kentucky and Troy. Can you tell me who those left tackles are? Probably not and neither can I. And in addition he was completely dominated in the Tennessee game where he was a non-factor which seems to happen alot with him. He isn't quick, he is lumbering and he isn't strong. Jamaal Anderson is the better prospect and is going to be the better NFL player.

Here is what I said in August:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 1764737)
YES! I agree x1000%.

He lacks a great first step and doesn't reach the corner. A majority of his sacks came from quarterbacks holding on to the ball for too long. His upper-body is extremely skinny, skinnier than that of Gaines Adams and even Michael Johnson. He isn't fast at all and looks like he will run a 4.8 or a 4.9. Honestly I think he is the worst of all of the prototype defensive ends (Peppers, Williams, Anderson, Johnson, Adams). He compares favorably with Jamaal Anderson from a few years ago who went top 10 and hasn't done anything in the NFL, the only difference? Jamaal Anderson was better in college and was stronger.

IMO the best prototype DE in this draft is Corey Wootton out of Northwestern.

Dunlap does have his positives though, he does have a nice bull rush, he has nice production and he never quits on a play. However I think that his strength and bull rush are results of playing against College Left Tackles that are not NFL caliber. In fact, he played 3 first round NFL tackles in Andre Smith, Michael Oher and Ciron Black all 3 of whom are right tackles in the NFL. Do you know how many sacks he registered against them? Not one. He didn't even get a sack against Phil Loadholt.

The depth chart I found said he played RE but it could be wrong so I'll just name the RTs he faced in those games:
Drew Davis, John Jerry, Joseph Barksdale and Trent Williams. 4 players who will be in the NFL, he did not register a sack.

He did not register a sack in 8 separate games. And he compiled 6 of his sacks against the likes of Kentucky, Florida St. and Miami. The only notable LT on these teams is Jason Fox, who I believe had a freshman QB that he was protecting. But aside from that he beat up on a freshman and a no name at Kentucky.

And it looks even worse if he was a LE because he was going against nobodies versus Florida St. and Kentucky and he played against an injured Reggie Youngblood in Miami. Not good any way you spin it.

Here is an example of what I mean by he gets sacks because the QB holds the ball too long:



Hines 10-11-2009 10:32 PM

Joe Haden reminds me a little of Vontae Davis.

Cigaro 10-11-2009 10:35 PM

Spiller's a lot more like Bush than Johnson. Ricky Sapp=Gaines Adams. Eric Norwood=LaMarr Woodley. Corey Wootton=Justin Tuck.

TACKLE 10-12-2009 05:21 PM

Greg Hardy - Justin Tuck
Corey Wootton - Jared Allen
Rolando McClain - Karlos Dansby
Jake Locker - Jay Cutler
Gerald McCoy - Darnell Dockett/Kevin Williams
Russell Okung - Chris Samuels

TACKLE 10-17-2009 02:08 PM

Jerry Hughes - Robert Mathis

PossibleCabbage 10-17-2009 05:42 PM

I'm not buying the Bulaga-Gallery comparison, beyond the fact that they're both white guys who were successful LTs at the university of Iowa. The Jake Long comparisons are much better. Gallery was a guy who was a powerhouse and a brilliant technician, but he didn't have tackle feet, he had short arms, and he wasn't a very good athlete moving laterally. Bulaga is a much more complete player, and the Jake Long comparisons are pretty much spot on as far as I can tell.

Bulaga isn't anywhere near the technician that Gallery was, but he's a much better athlete.

Shane P. Hallam 10-17-2009 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PossibleCabbage (Post 1839952)
I'm not buying the Bulaga-Gallery comparison, beyond the fact that they're both white guys who were successful LTs at the university of Iowa. The Jake Long comparisons are much better. Gallery was a guy who was a powerhouse and a brilliant technician, but he didn't have tackle feet, he had short arms, and he wasn't a very good athlete moving laterally. Bulaga is a much more complete player, and the Jake Long comparisons are pretty much spot on as far as I can tell.

Bulaga isn't anywhere near the technician that Gallery was, but he's a much better athlete.

Agree with this post. Bulaga and Gallery as prospects are not very similar. Different type of players.

Michigan 10-17-2009 06:48 PM

Jake Long never got completely manhandled in college like Bulaga did against Brandon Graham...

PossibleCabbage 10-17-2009 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michigan (Post 1840206)
Jake Long never got completely manhandled in college like Bulaga did against Brandon Graham...

I don't think it's fair to really count a guy's first game back returning from an illness that caused him to miss more than one game against his resume.

djp 10-17-2009 07:21 PM

Ed Dickson - Visanthe Shiancoe
Jake Locker - Matt Schaub

619 10-17-2009 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djp (Post 1840267)
Jake Locker - Matt Schaub

Some people overestimate Jake's athletic ability, while you're doing the opposite. I'm not sure he'll ever develop into the efficient passer Schaub is, though when you combine the physical tools + intangibles he should grade out as a better NFL QB.


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