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chad72 02-16-2010 11:38 AM

What do these OL numbers mean?
 
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

If you look at the second table, it says this:

IND:

left end 2.63 rank 31
left tackle 3.96 rank 19
mid/guard 4.39 rank 8
right tackle 3.92 rank 20
right end 3.94 rank 20

Does this tell us that our best runs were between the center and the guard on either side? Anything else we can infer from these (like if we ever need to go outside, the right side is the best)?

Your thoughts??

Seamus2602 02-17-2010 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chad72 (Post 2018394)
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

If you look at the second table, it says this:

IND:

left end 2.63 rank 31
left tackle 3.96 rank 19
mid/guard 4.39 rank 8
right tackle 3.92 rank 20
right end 3.94 rank 20

Does this tell us that our best runs were between the center and the guard on either side? Anything else we can infer from these (like if we ever need to go outside, the right side is the best)?

Your thoughts??

It rates each run on the based on how much the O-Line is to blame for it.

If there is a loss it multiplies it by 120%, meaning that a run for a loss for 2 yards gives a loss of 2.4 yards. A gain of less than 4 yards is worth 100% so a run for 3 yards is worth 3 yards. A run between 5 and 10 yards is worth 50%, so a run of 7 yards is worth 5 yards. And all runs of 11 or more are considered to be more on the running back than anything, so all runs of 11 or more are worth 6.5 yards. It tries to work out how much of a run is on the O-Line and how much is on the back.

chad72 02-17-2010 11:31 AM

Where is our O-line run blocking the weakest?
 
Are our edges the weakest? Or is it just the left edge and not the right edge?

I can definitely see that most of our runs are between the guard and the center. What would it take for us to run outside the tackles? Is running outside the tackles more a function of the RB that can cut outside than it is the O-line?

Seamus2602 02-17-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chad72 (Post 2019664)
Are our edges the weakest? Or is it just the left edge and not the right edge?

I can definitely see that most of our runs are between the guard and the center. What would it take for us to run outside the tackles? Is running outside the tackles more a function of the RB that can cut outside than it is the O-line?

In order to run to the outside you need a number of things. You need a back who can get out and cut into a lane pretty quickly but, in my opinion, the Colts have those backs. You also need good blocking from your Wide Receivers, with Garcon being better than Wayne at blocking for Running Backs. You also need a line that can get out quickly and set up their blocks. Normally when you run to the left your Tackle (Johnson) sets the edge and the opposite Guard (DeVan) pulls out in front. When you run to the right it is Diem setting the edge and Lilja pulling. Diem and Lilja are both better run blockers than Charlie Johnson and Kyle DeVan.

chad72 02-22-2010 02:43 PM

I think our run blocking would improve if we do this
 
Groom Kyle DeVan to be Jeff Saturday's replacement.

Switch Ryan Diem to RG and Ugoh to RT. That would increase Diem's durability by not having to go against elite pass rushers on that side a lot of times and the upgrade on the right side will be huge, IMO and our running game will benefit if we do that. Ugoh is a better run blocker at tackle than CJ but CJ does not take plays off and is a better pass protector. I do think Ugoh has the athleticism to play RT. Instead of shuffling Ugoh, I'd say give him the RT position in TC, try Diem at RG and see where that takes our O-line.

Then, we can groom Jamey Richards to be Lilja's replacement at LG and Jaimie Thomas to be the RG replacement eventually.

Seamus2602 02-22-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chad72 (Post 2028489)
Groom Kyle DeVan to be Jeff Saturday's replacement.

Switch Ryan Diem to RG and Ugoh to RT. That would increase Diem's durability by not having to go against elite pass rushers on that side a lot of times and the upgrade on the right side will be huge, IMO and our running game will benefit if we do that. Ugoh is a better run blocker at tackle than CJ but CJ does not take plays off and is a better pass protector. I do think Ugoh has the athleticism to play RT. Instead of shuffling Ugoh, I'd say give him the RT position in TC, try Diem at RG and see where that takes our O-line.

Then, we can groom Jamey Richards to be Lilja's replacement at LG and Jaimie Thomas to be the RG replacement eventually.

Except that Guard is a completely different position to Right Tackle. You can't just move a player from one to the other. It is difficult to transition, even for a College player or even an NFL Rookie, never mind a seasoned veteran. Diem definately doesn't have the speed to pull out in front of RBs anymore.

The team can't afford to groom players for replacement. They need an infusion of real talent. We need to improve at Left Tackle. We need to improve at Centre. We need to improve at Right Guard. We need to improve at Right Tackle. Not only to protect Peyton Manning but to improve the run game and also to look to the future to a post Manning team. Manning will probably retire in 5 years or less. Any starting player drafted in the next year or two will be playing for years after Manning retires and will be playing at a time when we can't rely on our Quarterback to have the fastest release in the League.

3pac 03-16-2010 02:32 PM

Looks like we need to start running it up the middle more, haha.

Dam8610 03-17-2010 01:59 AM

Those numbers say that Charlie Johnson sucks at run blocking, but you can get that info from watching the games.

chad72 03-17-2010 08:52 AM

True
 
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 2072708)
Those numbers say that Charlie Johnson sucks at run blocking, but you can get that info from watching the games.

I know he came in to the Bears SB XLI to replace a hurt Ryan Diem at RT and did well. But then, the other 4 - Tarik Glenn, Ryan Lilja, Saturday, and Jake Scott were phenomenal together that we rarely ran to the outside on the right side where CJ was.

Does anyone else think that this could possibly be Ryan Diem's last year as a Colt?

Dam8610 03-17-2010 09:47 AM

I think Charlie Johnson would do okay at RT, but with the direction the team is going, I don't know if they'd put him there, at least not permanently.

Seamus2602 03-17-2010 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chad72 (Post 2072857)
Does anyone else think that this could possibly be Ryan Diem's last year as a Colt?

I think we could be entering Ryan Diem's last couple of months as a Colt. If they are happy that Terry will stay fit then I think he starts at Right Tackle. Diem is as injury prone as Terry, while Terry provides more in the Run and has a large number of years on Diem. Combine this with Diem's salary and I could see the team cutting him before the end of the Offseason.


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