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Mr. Goosemahn 07-24-2010 03:00 PM

Prospect of the Day: DL Allen Bailey, Miami
 
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DL Allen Bailey, Miami
6'4 - 288 lbs. - Senior


Highlights!


Another guy that I think can be a great 3-4 defensive end. This draft is really rich in 3-4 DE prospects. Big, athletic guy who can play both outside and inside.

Paranoidmoonduck 07-24-2010 03:14 PM

It's hard to predict Bailey's position. I think it was BBD that mentioned this, but he's built like a massive linebacker. He's doesn't really have the bulk of a defensive tackle (yet) nor is he really much of an edge rusher, but the athleticism is undoubtedly there. He hasn't performed at a very high level in Miami, but someone will take a flyer on him even if he doesn't pull it all together this season.

He's the kind of guy who would play middle guard if such a position existed in today's NFL defenses. Not sure I see a 5-tech in Bailey, I see a guy who'll probably be shifted around a 4-man front like Justin Tuck. The question for me is what kind of weight does this guy naturally play at? If he could loose some pounds, it wouldn't be out of the question to try him as 34 OLB, but I'm not sure he could manage to stay that light.

wicket 07-24-2010 05:20 PM

in this pace you'll be past all the nice recruits before the end of the month

tenorx 07-24-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wicket (Post 2239925)
in this pace you'll be past all the nice recruits before the end of the month

That's not a bad thing tbh :) I'd like to see more and more prospects discussed here.

wicket 07-24-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tenorx (Post 2239927)
That's not a bad thing tbh :) I'd like to see more and more prospects discussed here.

thats not the point, he should spread out the good stuff ;)

draftguru151 07-24-2010 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck (Post 2239798)
It's hard to predict Bailey's position. I think it was BBD that mentioned this, but he's built like a massive linebacker. He's doesn't really have the bulk of a defensive tackle (yet) nor is he really much of an edge rusher, but the athleticism is undoubtedly there. He hasn't performed at a very high level in Miami, but someone will take a flyer on him even if he doesn't pull it all together this season.

He's the kind of guy who would play middle guard if such a position existed in today's NFL defenses. Not sure I see a 5-tech in Bailey, I see a guy who'll probably be shifted around a 4-man front like Justin Tuck. The question for me is what kind of weight does this guy naturally play at? If he could loose some pounds, it wouldn't be out of the question to try him as 34 OLB, but I'm not sure he could manage to stay that light.

After his freshman year he got up to 293 and settled at 288 after that, I really don't see him getting any lower than 285. Depending on how much he develops this year (under a significantly better DL coach) I see him being a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE. If he develops as a pass rusher, I see a 4-3 team taking him earlier than a 3-4 team would, if not 3-4 DE would be his better position.

dannyz 07-24-2010 06:01 PM

I think Miami Restart their Streak with Bailey. I think he would be a Great 4-3 DE.

descendency 07-24-2010 06:36 PM

Watching that clip twice the thing I saw over and over and over is he is slow to get out of his stance when the ball is snapped. He's a 1 gap DE playing with 2 gap speed. He has good awareness but I didn't see the pass rush moves. Obviously he has great athleticism.

My concern is that initial burst looks really really bad. He's also struggling to disengage from OL while pass rushing but not while run stopping.

He's too big to play 43 DE in the NFL. He can't chase down QBs from behind (I don't think Riley Skinner is all that fast). I see a 2 gap 34 DE who needs some work on his technique.

OaklandRaider56 07-24-2010 08:26 PM

Very raw talent, he needs to learn how to use his hands more effectively and come off the ball quicker. I can see a 3-4 or 4-3 team drafting him to play DE.

Paranoidmoonduck 07-24-2010 08:27 PM

I don't even begin to see the gap control that would suggest Bailey is a classic 5-tech.

Mr.Regular 07-24-2010 09:05 PM

Man without a position. Lacks true speed and initial burst to be a consistent NFL 4-3 DE it looks like. 34 DE makes the most sense, but no one has seen him play those types of roles yet. He has the athleticism, strength, and shedding ability to find a home in the NFL, but I don't know where. I like Bailey a lot, but he's hard to place at this point.

fenikz 07-24-2010 09:31 PM

That happens to be highlights of the worst game Miami played last year(defensively)

bce 07-24-2010 10:14 PM

Just needs to play much better. I dont see great pass rush ability at this point, i do like him as an interior dl. Just needs to display more between the white lines.

cajuncorey 07-25-2010 12:16 AM

in my opinion i truely find allen bailey as a 3 technique much like tommy harris both are undersized but explosive and thats where allen will find his home

prock 07-25-2010 07:47 PM

I am not sure on how good he is gonna end up being, since he struggles to produce consistently, but I am in love with this guy. His athleticism has me drooling.

A Perfect Score 07-25-2010 09:02 PM

I really like the Justin Tuck comparisons. Thats the role I ultimately see him playing. If, like many have said, he develops his pass rush skills to the point where can can play LE in a 4-3, I can see him being a stout run defender who is good for 8 sacks a season and can slip inside on passing downs to an interior positions.

Regardless of where he ultimately ends up, I think hes going to be a beast.

Aloysius 07-26-2010 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 2240082)
That happens to be highlights of the worst game Miami played last year(defensively)

I watched the bowl game vs. Wisconsin after cutting that clip, and it told pretty much the same story: Bailey's a big, strong d-lineman who can walk back guards and tackles. However, he lacks the explosiveness necessary to run around OTs, and he often struggles to disengage in time to get to the QB.

Personally, I see him as more of a 4-3 DT/3-4 DE. I understand the Tuck comparisons, but Bailey is a guy who'll have to move inside on passing downs, whereas Tuck can be a potent pass-rushing threat both inside and outside.

K Train 07-26-2010 09:55 AM

im infatuated with him....its ******* crazy to see a DE/DT that could probably play some limited LB. im thinking he could play all over a 43 or 34 line or stand up like brian orakpo and play OLB. he doesnt have the speed to be a full time edge rusher but he can do alot of things and be an asset on the field regardless of what hes asked to do.

Mr. Offseason 07-27-2010 01:52 PM

Honestly, I am not a Bailey fan. He's an impressive athlete and he's got natural ability to be sure, but I just don't think he's that good of a NFL prospect to be honest. He made some plays in that highlight reel, but when you are blocking a 288 pound DE/DT 'tweener with a TE on some run plays he is inevitably going to make some stops versus the run.

I recently watched him against Wisconsin and he had serious issues against their offensive line, especially versus the run. Heck, Garrett Graham AND Lance Kendricks both managed to block him 1 on 1 and keep him blocked well enough to not effect run plays at all. That is extremely alarming, because as a potential 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE prospect he should toss those guys aside and make a play in the backfield, yet he just stayed blocked. I think he probably needs to improve his hand usage to help improve his ability to disengage, because if he doesn't work on that he is going to have such a minimal impact when he gets to the NFL people are going to think he is a bust. He won't get away with what he seems to have been getting away with in college by just being bigger and stronger than the guy trying to block him (which was definitely the case in this Wake Forest highlight video in my opinion). It will be interesting to see how he does this season, but I really think he has issues versus the run when an able blocker is matched up with him.

hockey619 07-27-2010 04:02 PM

I agree with Mr. Offseason.

I just dont see it with Bailey right now, as much as i really wanna see it. Id like to see a guy as amazingly versatile and athletic as him become a player because itd be so fun to watch a defense utilize him. but from the video shown there and what little else i saw of him last season (and it really wasnt too much) i just dont see it. maybe he comes around this year, but hes got an awful long ways to come to be a legit player.

he can bull rush well and push a guy back but his hand use to dissengage is poor at best as pointed out before and i didnt see him have any other moves. hes also very slow off the snap, especially on those stunts, and his pursuit of skinner when he scrambled was unenthusiastic at best. He just doesnt look to have it. against the run he seems a little more interested but i just dont see this player blowing up plays making things happen regularly.

hes pretty athletic with a freaky build but if he doesnt show huge strides this season he'll be just a project for rex ryan or someone.

Calvin & Kevin 07-29-2010 12:07 PM

I absolutely want this guy on the Lions. Team him up with Suh and you have two guys who could be moved around anywhere on the line and exploit matchups, put them outside on run downs, inside on pass downs, or whatever it takes to give the opposing OC and line coach massive headaches. I have the feeling that as long as he shows proper development and production in this upcoming season, his versatility will appeal greatly to Jim Schwartz.

irishbucsfan 07-29-2010 01:30 PM

A few people already stole my line, but I just wanted to say that if that's his highlight reel I'd hate to see his lowlights. He was the last person off the line at the snap on every single play. I'm no talent evaluator, but he doesn't look like he has crazy athleticism at all. He looks like someone with a DTs strength but strange build. How about just asking him to gain 25 pounds and just stick him at NT in a 4-3.

Hurricanes25 07-29-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by irishbucsfan (Post 2244707)
A few people already stole my line, but I just wanted to say that if that's his highlight reel I'd hate to see his lowlights. He was the last person off the line at the snap on every single play. I'm no talent evaluator, but he doesn't look like he has crazy athleticism at all. He looks like someone with a DTs strength but strange build. How about just asking him to gain 25 pounds and just stick him at NT in a 4-3.

NT would be the worst fit for him in the 4-3. If he improves his technique and learns some pass rushing moves, he can be really dangerous playing UT or DE.

irishbucsfan 07-29-2010 01:43 PM

Yeah NT was a bit rash. But I just see absolutely no burst at all. If I hadn't heard so much about him being some sort of athletic freak I wouldn't have thought he was special at all.

Hurricanes25 07-29-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by irishbucsfan (Post 2244729)
Yeah NT was a bit rash. But I just see absolutely no burst at all. If I hadn't heard so much about him being some sort of athletic freak I wouldn't have thought he was special at all.

A lot of people probably agree with you there. He needs to produce this season. But the potential is there which is part of the reason why so many people are in love with him.


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