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BeerBaron 11-27-2010 09:16 AM

Broncos Allegedly Tape 49ers Practice in London
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...9ers-practice/

Like Master like Student?

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Jeff Legwold and Dave Kreiger of the Denver Post report that the league is looking into whether the Broncos recorded a San Fran walk-through practice at Wembley Stadium on October 30, the day before the two teams played there. On the 30th, each team had access to the venue for the session aimed at reviewing key portions of the game plan.
Interesting to say the least....didn't help them win, that's for sure.

AntoinCD 11-27-2010 09:30 AM

Lol at least when Belichick cheated the Pats were winning. Josh McDaniels' middle name is fail

Cunningham 11-27-2010 09:34 AM

and the terrific season continues. if we lose our first rounder because of this, so help me god, i will murder mcdaniels and his staff in their sleep

BeerBaron 11-27-2010 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham (Post 2399443)
and the terrific season continues. if we lose our first rounder because of this, so help me god, i will murder mcdaniels and his staff in their sleep

If that were to happen he'd probably be fired...no way they could keep a cheat who has been sucking. Bellichick won Super Bowls, so there was no way they'd fire him over it.

Jimmy 11-27-2010 10:00 AM

this is just embarrassing. countless times did i blast new england and their coach for being cheaters. at least they were good at cheating. we need so much help in the front 7 it isn't funny. if we get our 1st taken away you can set it in stone, this will be one of the worst teams in football for the next 5-10 years.

Jay 11-27-2010 10:11 AM

They aren't the first and won't be the last. Teams know the ramifications and continue to do it anyway. The practice goes back many years and if anyone thinks that it is just the Broncos doing it today, it's probably a little naive. I have no doubt in my mind that there are a plethora of ways that teams try to gain advantages that we don't even know about and possibly never will.

This doesn't bother me. I mean, it's incredibly dumb, especially since every team knows the consequences, but it clearly didn't help them beat a team that only had one win...

BeerBaron 11-27-2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 2399479)
They aren't the first and won't be the last. Teams know the ramifications and continue to do it anyway. The practice goes back many years and if anyone thinks that it is just the Broncos doing it today, it's probably a little naive. I have no doubt in my mind that there are a plethora of ways that teams try to gain advantages that we don't even know about and possibly never will.

This doesn't bother me. I mean, it's incredibly dumb, especially since every team knows the consequences, but it clearly didn't help them beat a team that only had one win...

I tried to make that argument when the Pats were caught and njx threatened to infract me...

I do believe it though. It's just like with giving benefits to players in college...I'm sure everyone does it to some extent. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying....but if you're dumb enough to get caught, then I guess you have to accept the punishment.

AntoinCD 11-27-2010 10:19 AM

How does McDaniels keep his job now? The Broncos are currently 3-7, in two years he has got rid of his franchise QB and top WR, the defense is way worse than it was before he came and it wasn't even that good then, and now they are being investigated for potentially spying on a 1 win team on a neutral site who they went on to lose to????

CJSchneider 11-27-2010 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2399483)
If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying....but if you're dumb enough to get caught, then I guess you weren't trying hard enough.

Edited for accuracy.

Jay 11-27-2010 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2399483)
I tried to make that argument when the Pats were caught and njx threatened to infract me...

I'm not trying to insult anyone by saying that, so I hope that is not the way it reads. I also certainly have no intention in getting in an argument over the topic.

I find it hard to believe it would have been isolated to one game, as I find it hard to believe that they are alone in the practice, whether it be today, yesterday or many days ago. I guess I just don't find it nearly as shocking as most...

BeerBaron 11-27-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 2399489)
I'm not trying to insult anyone by saying that, so I hope that is not the way it reads. I also certainly have no intention in getting in an argument over the topic.

I find it hard to believe it would have been isolated to one game, as I find it hard to believe that they are alone in the practice, whether it be today, yesterday or many days ago. I guess I just don't find it nearly as shocking as most...

I was just pointing out that it's what I think too, but it can be seen as an unpopular opinion...

Another place where it's gotta happen all the time is tampering. Guys like Albert Haynesworth sign complex, multi-million dollar deals only a few hours after free agency begins and we are to expect there was no prior contact? Give me a break...

Morton 11-27-2010 10:38 AM

Another reason why McDaniels is an idiot.

If you're going to do stuff like this, at least don't get caught. What does it say about you if "everyone is doing it" and YOU'RE the one that gets caught?

And like others say, at least when Belichick was doing it his team was, what, 16-0? McDaniels has the worst team in his division.

Epic Fail.

Jvig43 11-27-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2399495)
I was just pointing out that it's what I think too, but it can be seen as an unpopular opinion...

Another place where it's gotta happen all the time is tampering. Guys like Albert Haynesworth sign complex, multi-million dollar deals only a few hours after free agency begins and we are to expect there was no prior contact? Give me a break...

It's seen as unpopular because people want to see it as it's only something the big bad pats do, and it gives them another reason to hate that team. Mcdaniels is an idiot for already going through this in 2007 and seeing how crazy it got, and then attempting to do it again. This guys career is a disaster since becoming head coach.

LizardState 11-27-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2399447)
If that were to happen he'd probably be fired...no way they could keep a cheat who has been sucking. Bellichick won Super Bowls, so there was no way they'd fire him over it.

But they slapped him with a $1M NFL rcd. fine for it.

Then again apparently that didn't stop McDaniel from playing fast & loose with the rules either. So the precedent's been set: let him forfeit ~half his annual salary in a fine of at least $1M. If it's proven & they don't give him an equal penalty the other 31 teams should scream favoritism.

Diehard 11-27-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham (Post 2399443)
and the terrific season continues. if we lose our first rounder because of this, so help me god, i will murder mcdaniels and his staff in their sleep

Cosigned...

Thecollegedropout 11-27-2010 11:25 AM

So I am guessing this was why Kyle Orton suddenly has become a machine since coming over to Denver and Josh McDaniels?

Jimmy 11-27-2010 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Thecollegedropout (Post 2399548)
So I am guessing this was why Kyle Orton suddenly has become a machine since coming over to Denver and Josh McDaniels?

oh buddy you just opened up a whole new can of worms...

Jvig43 11-27-2010 11:27 AM

You'd be wrong, McDaniels is a great qb and offensive coach.

BeerBaron 11-27-2010 11:31 AM

I'll take Kyle Orton the game-managing winner from Chicago over this new stat compiler version.

Jimmy 11-27-2010 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron (Post 2399566)
I'll take Kyle Orton the game-managing winner from Chicago over this new stat compiler version.

no doubt... winning games > losing games
but it's not like kyle orton's style of play is the reason denver is losing, if kyle orton had played in chicago like he played this year, he'd still be with the bears

BeerBaron 11-27-2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy (Post 2399575)
no doubt... winning games > losing games
but it's not like kyle orton's style of play is the reason denver is losing, if kyle orton had played in chicago like he played this year, he'd still be with the bears

I guess he still manages games and compiles stats from what the defense gives him...but I don't know if I'd call what he does there dominating or anything like that. I think he'll always be a guy who you can definitely win with, but will probably never win because of, if that makes sense.

asdf1223 11-27-2010 11:41 AM

Mcdaniels was fined 50k and the team 50k. Guess they let him off the hook.
http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/st...74135080849408

Jvig43 11-27-2010 11:57 AM

I want our first rounder back then.....

BeerBaron 11-27-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43 (Post 2399613)
I want our first rounder back then.....

I knew Pats fans wouldn't be happy about Denver not losing anything....

Maybe because they turned themselves in? Maybe the Pats got other "warnings" or something before theirs?

Idk....good for Broncos fans at least. Another black mark on McDaniel's tenuous hold on the job.

Jvig43 11-27-2010 12:07 PM

No I'm not really upset, we got caught and got punished, and as a fan theres nothing you can do but feel like ****. I was just kind of joking around.


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