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JoeJoeBrown 11-28-2010 01:50 PM

Further Proof that Sagarin is Idiotic
 
Alabama with 3 losses is ahead of every Big11 team? Absolute idiocy. An ELO ranking system barely works after 20 games. It certainly doesn't work after a mere 12. There is way too much bias and noise in these computer rankings.

Rk Team (Last Wk)
1 Auburn (1)
2 Oregon (2)
3 Arkansas (6)
4 Stanford (4)
5 LSU (3)
6 TCU (5)
7 Oklahoma (16)
8 Missouri (13)
9 Alabama (8)
10 Nebraska (12)
11 Wisconsin (9)
12 Texas A&M (14)
13 Oklahoma State (10)
14 Michigan State (15)
15 Ohio State (11)
16 Boise State (7)
17 South Carolina (18)
18 Nevada (22)
19 Mississippi State (17)
20 Utah (20)
21 Arizona (19)
22 Virginia Tech (21)
23 Florida State (NR)
24 Baylor (24)
25 Texas Tech (25)
Dropped out: Iowa

Others: Iowa (33), Michigan (34), Penn State (39), Northwestern (59)

redbills 11-28-2010 02:02 PM

How did tOSU drop 4 spots by beating UM 37-7?

JoeJoeBrown 11-28-2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by redbills (Post 2401361)
How did tOSU drop 4 spots by beating UM 37-7?

It's because his system is idiocy.

The explanation is that a bunch of OSU's opponent's suck and lost yesterday.

soybean 11-28-2010 02:18 PM

Stanford would whoop on Arkansas.

JoeJoeBrown 11-28-2010 02:20 PM

Oh, and a Pac10, Big12, or SEC team takes up 28 of the 30 top spots for SOS. Idiocy. (ND at 22 and UM at 30).

The OOC schedule differences between the BCS conferences is not that great.

It's a complete and utter crock of dog poop, and it shows how broken his system is.

SchizophrenicBatman 11-28-2010 04:34 PM

I would take Bama to beat every Big 10 team

They were a hair from beating the #2 team in the country after all, even in spite of choking for the entire second half

keylime_5 11-28-2010 04:45 PM

I would take Wisconsin to beat every SEC team, two can play.

Texas Am and Oklahoma State ahead of MSU and OSU is ********.

JoeJoeBrown 11-28-2010 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SchizophrenicBatman (Post 2401987)
I would take Bama to beat every Big 10 team

They were a hair from beating the #2 team in the country after all, even in spite of choking for the entire second half

Anyone that is a Tony Pike fan needs their head examined. Your little brother complex is showing.

ElectricEye 11-28-2010 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soybean (Post 2401430)
Stanford would whoop on Arkansas.

Wisconsin would too.

bustabinary 11-28-2010 06:17 PM

Some of the systems weigh SOS more heavily than others.

There's a reason that the highest/lowest are dropped, the rest are averaged, and it's only one component in the BCS.

I'm no expert on the math behind ELO (havn't really studied it), but I think you can only be ranked high if you beat other highly ranked teams or your losses are only against quality teams. You don't benefit at all from beating someone ranked lower than you. Because of that, the non-conference schedules are crucial in determining initial scores for teams in your conference.

wonderbredd24 11-28-2010 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SchizophrenicBatman (Post 2401987)
I would take Bama to beat every Big 10 team

They were a hair from beating the #2 team in the country after all, even in spite of choking for the entire second half

Alabama should be undefeated and this is easily the worst coaching job of Saban's tenure.

I'd take Boise State to beat a number of teams ahead of them, but they lost and are gonna go down as such and Alabama should as well, especially considering how overrated the SEC is this year.

Florida was taken apart by Florida State and they were a game away from representing the SEC East in their title game.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock 11-28-2010 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24 (Post 2402424)
Alabama should be undefeated and this is easily the worst coaching job of Saban's tenure.

I'd take Boise State to beat a number of teams ahead of them, but they lost and are gonna go down as such and Alabama should as well, especially considering how overrated the SEC is this year.

Florida was taken apart by Florida State and they were a game away from representing the SEC East in their title game.

What has Alabama done this season to give any proof that they should be undefeated?

wonderbredd24 11-28-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock (Post 2402961)
What has Alabama done this season to give any proof that they should be undefeated?

The team that went undefeated last year came back almost completely intact and was the #1 team in the country without question coming into this year and the games they've lost... they gave them away.

Michigan 11-28-2010 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24 (Post 2402424)
I'd take Boise State to beat a number of teams ahead of them

Eh... I guess "1" is a number since MSU's 8th...

wonderbredd24 11-28-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Michigan (Post 2402988)
Eh... I guess "1" is a number since MSU's 8th...

So you don't think they can beat TCU, since they did that last year?

I think Boise State would beat Ohio State, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas A&M, and Nebraska and anyone I have a good shot against the other teams mentioned.

Wisconsin and Alabama would give them the most trouble purely on their size

JoeJoeBrown 11-28-2010 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24 (Post 2403008)
So you don't think they can beat TCU, since they did that last year?

I think Boise State would beat Ohio State, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas A&M, and Nebraska and anyone I have a good shot against the other teams mentioned.

Wisconsin and Alabama would give them the most trouble purely on their size

I think that you need to put down the crack pipe.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock 11-28-2010 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24 (Post 2402975)
The team that went undefeated last year came back almost completely intact and was the #1 team in the country without question coming into this year and the games they've lost... they gave them away.

Michael Johnson- all american guard
Javier Arenas
Kareem Jackson
Rolando McClain
Terrance Cody

They took a huge hit defensively. The last 4 guys were taken in the top rounds. It is hard to replace that type of starting talent.

Sniper 11-29-2010 06:37 AM

Florida at 27, Notre Dame at 29, West Virginia at 30, Illinois at 36 and then I stopped reading. This kills any credibility this thing may have ever had.

descendency 11-29-2010 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown (Post 2401421)
It's because his system is idiocy.

The explanation is that a bunch of OSU's opponent's suck and lost yesterday.

That actually makes good sense...

Beating crappy teams is exactly why tOSU's president doesn't want TCU/Boise in the national title game. So if tOSU's opponents are crappy, they should drop, right?

wogitalia 11-29-2010 08:33 PM

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I think Boise State would beat Ohio State, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas A&M, and Nebraska and anyone I have a good shot against the other teams mentioned.
Would is the wrong word. Could or even should are better choices. Would implies it is a foregone conclusion. I personally think they "should" beat most of those teams and could beat the others.

Illinois should have a higher SOS than the rest of the Big 10, they are a major reason why the other Big 10 teams struggle on this stat. Along with Minnesota and Indiana in particular. Big 10s problem this year is that it is very top heavy and very bottom heavy. The good teams are all pretty damn good but the rest of the league has been pretty awful. Penn State and Iowa have been solid but the rest of the teams are certainly on the weaker side of average or worse. Wisconsin, OSU and Michigan State are all strong teams though who will be counted on to get the league it's bowl wins if the division is to beat any "real" teams.

SchizophrenicBatman 11-29-2010 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown (Post 2402121)
Anyone that is a Tony Pike fan needs their head examined. Your little brother complex is showing.

LOL

perhaps i should change my avatar to a pic of brian st pierre

JoeJoeBrown 11-29-2010 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SchizophrenicBatman (Post 2404813)
LOL

perhaps i should change my avatar to a pic of brian st pierre

:) That is funny!

MassNole 11-30-2010 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24 (Post 2402975)
The team that went undefeated last year came back almost completely intact and was the #1 team in the country without question coming into this year and the games they've lost... they gave them away.

Bama got their butts kicked by SC, plain and simple. An example of teams giving wins away would be FSU vs. the public schools from NC this season.

HindSight 11-30-2010 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by descendency (Post 2404333)
That actually makes good sense...

Beating crappy teams is exactly why tOSU's president doesn't want TCU/Boise in the national title game. So if tOSU's opponents are crappy, they should drop, right?

they're still better than most of what Boise plays on Tuesday nights at the local Y

descendency 11-30-2010 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock (Post 2402961)
What has Alabama done this season to give any proof that they should be undefeated?

Did you miss the Auburn game? They basically stomped their throat in for 1.5 quarters. Then started playing like they were supposed to win.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HindSight (Post 2405291)
they're still better than most of what Boise plays on Tuesday nights at the local Y

True, but you are completely missing the point. The same "if your opponents are not very good, then you don't deserve a high ranking in the BCS" logic applies to both major and minor conferences.

edit: I was just trolling tOSU's president really.

I really haven't read about an ELO ranking system ever. (and quite frankly, I could probably wikipedia it but one is just as flawed as another)


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